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EADD Benzo Discussion V. I forget

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yeah true, i am highly likely to abuse it. I'm gonna see if its got some megathreads about it in OD, i dont think there is one in EADD. Forewarned with knowledge helps a little, and if there are a lot of worrying posts then I'll try to steer clear. The strong sedative properties though, mmmmmm. Taking a longer term view though if it is stronger than etiz for that, then its gonna be harder to stop taking and re-adjust.
 
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just tread carefully mate, i know i'll have to and I'm not as deep into all this than you are. (not to say you can't turn it around mind you!)
 
I came into possession of a few scripted 5mg diazepam's took 10 of them on Sunday just needed to fuck the day off it worked I was very relaxed slurred speech and the like I have a very low tolerance but I must say I prefer 2mg clonazepam it doesn't physically relax me like the Diaz but one of those little gems take all my troubles away :)
 
Ello, I was a bit of a silly so-and-so and ate 60mg of Diclazepam over a two day period (Saturday + Sunday). Dunno if this is a good thing or bad thing really, but even though I feel perfectly fine now, Ive been told my speech is a bit slurry from time to time and I keep tripping over / knocking into things. I also apparently looked "stoned" even when I'm sober.

As these were the vendor pressed 2mg ones there is no way really to tell if what I has was exactly that amount, but it was probably fairly close.

Was what I did dangerous? I mixed in a lil weed and booze, but not a lot cos it didn't seem like it was necessary. However aren't 1mg of these equivalent to 10mg Diazepam? 600mg of Diazepam doesn't sound good at all.....

My questions are whether this is a normal state of affairs and they'll slowly work their way out of my system or have I taken too many too quickly and poo-brained my mind pertinently? Also, could I be in for some kind of unexpected come down of sorts in the next day or so?

Cheers BL !
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For someone who's fucked on benzos your typing is pretty fucking good. You need to go on the benzo typing course. Yyor suupppsde tooo ytupi likke thhiss yooswe!

I've not a lot of experience with diclazepam, but it does sound like you were a bit silly. I'm pretty sure you will recover eventually, some benzos have very very long metabolic half-lives, like hundreds of hours, so if this one is in that category, then it might be a few days before you're right in the head (presuming you were in the first place).

And no you shouldn't have a come down. What goes up, comes down. You've gone down, so you'll be coming back up! The benzo equivalent of a come down is the rebound, if you nom a load of short-acting benzos, when they wear off you might feel a bit edgy, but with a long half life, it should just slip slide away.
 
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Regarding my spelling, I usuually check every time I make a post and have to corrrect loads of things, and even then sometimes make a mistake. My spelling is shite as fuck and that redline that tells me something is wrong is a god send. II won't this time though so you get a sense of what I usually type is like.

So does diclazepam have a short or long half life? Cos I do feel that they might be still having a bit of an effect but can't tell if it's a placebo feeling, or the benzos chilled me out so much I've just carried on in that frame of mind.
 
I really don't know, there doesn't seem to be much information available on the web about it, but wikipedia suggests that diclazepam is metabolised to Delorazepam, which has a half-life of 60-140 hours. 140 hours is 6 days, that 6 days till your body has eliminated half of the dose, so if this is correct, you could be feeling (or maybe not feeling, but exhibiting - like slurring) the effects for a good while.

If you didn't use spell-check in that last post, well, your spelling is still pretty good, you're really not very spelling impaired. But that doesn't mean you're not impaired in other ways.
 
knock said:
I really don't know, there doesn't seem to be much information available on the web about it, but wikipedia suggests that diclazepam is metabolised to Delorazepam, which has a half-life of 60-140 hours. 140 hours is 6 days, that 6 days till your body has eliminated half of the dose, so if this is correct, you could be feeling (or maybe not feeling, but exhibiting - like slurring) the effects for a good while.

If you didn't use spell-check in that last post, well, your spelling is still pretty good, you're really not very spelling impaired. But that doesn't mean you're not impaired in other ways.
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So roughly 2 weeks to get itself out my system? Cheeky little fucker!... completely my fault for not doing enough research though. Is that the same for lots of benzos?

So regardless the initial dose, it will still take the same amount of time to get it out my system? I think I'm slightly concerned with the amount I took in regard to the damage it might have done. I know not much is known about Diclazepam, but are Diazepam or Delorazepam very damaging on the body? The effects are nice but it doesn't feel like it's doing/ done anything particularly harsh.

Its more down to how I'm operating in general, my insomnia is getting horrendous which fucks me up more than anything, but thats happened for years and is nothing new. Benzos don't even actually make me that sleepy tbh, but I have felt more focused over the past couple of days and it might be due to this lingering calm.
 
Where'd you hear that?

I had no idea also that Diclazepam has such a long half life, though I've never taken doses larger than 10mg. Found it quite pleasant at that level. Benzos don't impair my typing in the sense that I type like knock so eloquently demonstrated but if I look back through my texts after overdoing it, it's all perfectly typed and punctuated nonsense. For whatever reason I very rarely end up online when I'm on them so that's fortunate. It's very obvious irl though, which is weird cos when I'm really really drunk it's apparently impossible to tell. Had ex/possibly still Mrs Snolls over the other night with wine and by that point I was absolutely completely gone. Barely remember seeing her, and she was surprised when I told her the next day because she said I'd seemed completely sober. But yeah take a few too many benzos and it's obvious to everyone but I'll deny it like 'I've not taken anything' when I'm sat there swaying and slurring with a blue tongue.
 
Ive been reading up on the Flubro megathread: interesting facts: it has a half life of 106 hours ! 8o. It's also regarded as simillar to, but slightly less messy than phenazepam. Allthough the strong hypnotic properties of it are really tempting me, i'm pretty sure i would be creating bigger problems for myself for when the time comes to start tapering off them.

With it being so strong on the sedative side, and if i used it for any length of time, that tolerance would take a fuck of a lot of reversing. Plus with the massively extravagent half life, even if i only took a moderate amount at night for sleep every night, the levels of it in my blood would soon build up, I would be perma-fucked. I dont think i can allow myself to order a gram of this in powder form, as much as I'd like to. It is a disaster waiting to happen for me. I will have to stick to just buying 10 pills at a time, at well spread intervals, or some other really minimal orders in that region. Otherwise, mdb trainwreck episode 2 will begin.
 
Honestly, MDB, it's loopy shit. Especially if you dose on consecutive days.

I owe an abscess, at least two half-arsed suicide attempts and a lot of blackouts to that stuff, and I only ordered it twice.
 
hmm, there's another tick in the reasons not to get a habit with it then. Shame, i like the stuff, but the potential problems it could cause me are just far too big. Coming off etiz will probably be hard enough, though some people suggest that its one of the more forgiving benzos to w/d from. But flubro with its apparently very strong knock out properties and insanely long half life, sounds like it would raise my tolerance even higher, (what goes up must come down) fuck over my state of mind, and be an abolute nightmare to come off.
 
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Aye, we dont wanna see that happen
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cheers Dan, even for people who find sport out of winding fucked up people up, i dont think it would do me or EADD any good. I dont mean that i am singlehandedly responsible for the mood of EADD, but each and every member plays their part IMO, as to making the place that little bit better, or that little bit worse.
 
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So roughly 2 weeks to get itself out my system? Cheeky little fucker!... completely my fault for not doing enough research though. Is that the same for lots of benzos?

So regardless the initial dose, it will still take the same amount of time to get it out my system?
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Not quite as simple as that. The half life is how long it takes your body to remove half of however much of a drug is in your bloodstream. So sticking with the (proposed) delorazepam metabolite of diclazepam, assuming it all gets converted immediately (which won't happen, but hopefully we're only off by a day or two), if you start off with 60mg in your bloodstream then, in the worst case (140 hour half-life), it's down to 30mg after six days. After the next six days your body removes half of 30mg so it's down to 15mg. After the next six days it's down to half of 15mg so 7.5mg. Six more days, 3.75mg. where are we now, 24 days later and you have 3.75mg in your bloodstream. It's an exponential decay:

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(the numbers here are nothing to do with benzo half-life, it's just the shape of the curve we're interested in)

In the best case (60 hour half life) it's down to 30 mg after 2.5 days, 15mg, after 5 days, 7.5mg after 7.5 days, 3.75mg after 10 days.

Now, the quoted half lives for benzos are given as ranges, like 60-140 hours for delorazepam, that's quite a big range, so obviously it varies quite a bit. And while that benzo is in your system, you're developing tolerance to it, which you'll do at your own rate. So it's pretty impossible to give an actual figure as to when you'll be "back to normal". Probably a bit sooner than somewhere between 10 and 24 days :)

Whether it's 60 hour half life or 140 hour half life will depend on your body, and maybe it varies a bit from time to time, depending on what other work your liver and kidneys have to do. (I'm no expert on this, this is a "lay opinion")
 
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looking forward to get my 50 1mg etiz pellets. Fuckin better than drinkin all the time, all tho' I should not switch addiction. Thats the hard part not too ;)
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Ive been reading up on the Flubro megathread: interesting facts: it has a half life of 106 hours ! 8o. It's also regarded as simillar to, but slightly less messy than phenazepam. Allthough the strong hypnotic properties of it are really tempting me, i'm pretty sure i would be creating bigger problems for myself for when the time comes to start tapering off them.

With it being so strong on the sedative side, and if i used it for any length of time, that tolerance would take a fuck of a lot of reversing. Plus with the massively extravagent half life, even if i only took a moderate amount at night for sleep every night, the levels of it in my blood would soon build up, I would be perma-fucked. I dont think i can allow myself to order a gram of this in powder form, as much as I'd like to. It is a disaster waiting to happen for me. I will have to stick to just buying 10 pills at a time, at well spread intervals, or some other really minimal orders in that region. Otherwise, mdb trainwreck episode 2 will begin.
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never tried phenaz luckily but tried flubro last night and the only thing i can compare it to is kind of like diaz or clonaz, sedating and long lasting. Very nice indeed but this was a once off, i kind of prefer pyraz or etiz anyway because i have too many things to do so can't afford to mong out for days. Id advise against even ordering them in 10's never mind a gram because you know yourself once they are gone you will get more and ultimately gain another addiction at a higher price. Be honest with yourself man and stick to the etiz! or Even try getting a diaz script to do a proper taper because it would be easier when u get down to smaller numbers as it has a longer half life, you wouldn't be as up and down but rather slowly and steadily dropping the dosage. good luck!
 
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