EADD Benzo Discussion v.5

[karmanaut]

Benzo's have to be one of the worst drugs ever, barely recreational at all, makes people stumble around like zombies, numbs you from real life and unless you call sitting on your sofa dribbling while watching TV fun, then there not fun at all.

 

[Allein]

Benzo's have to be one of the worst drugs ever, barely recreational at all, makes people stumble around like zombies, numbs you from real life and unless you call sitting on your sofa dribbling while watching TV fun, then there not fun at all.

In moderation they do provide much needed relief from anxiety, I'm not convinced they can ever be a long term treatment but they have there place, no need to dose yourself into a dribbling mess

 

[benzoman12345]

Benzos are not supposed to be recreational, they are supposed to relieve people of their horrible mental health illnesses like anxiety, agrophobia, insomnia, even Psychosis in my case, Benzodiazepines are MEDICATION.

 

[Allein]

Benzos are not supposed to be recreational, they are supposed to relieve people of their horrible mental health illnesses like anxiety, agrophobia, insomnia, even Psychosis in my case, Benzodiazepines are MEDICATION.

Recreational is in the eye of the beholder, or summit like that, i'm surprised you have a benzo script in the UK for those issues.

Many self medicate with Benzos, I certainly have these days a have the odd one to take the edge of of stims .

I don't make such a definitive allocation of recreational and non, or maybe you mean they should only be used under the supervision of a doctor to avoid abuse issues ?

 

[benzoman12345]

No what I mean is if you suffer from anxiety or any of it's derivatives like Insomnia and bla bla bla, no amount of benzos is recreational, because I actually need them. I get a script cos of a W/D seizure, I'm still self medicating on top of it, because 30mgs Valium a day doesn't even touch the sides, I suppose if I didn't have these issues then I could probably enjoy a nice high from them,
Don't get me wrong I've been extremely intoxicated from stupid amounts of benzos in the past, but every single time I acted like a fucking idiot, did things I regret, where I live being full of benzos is reffered to as being "rubbered" and when you see a rubbered cunt you body swerve.

Now that I think of it though , a good few Temazepam and a few Cheese joints does sound nice

 

[Allein]

Much the same with me insomnia, depression and anxiety as well as a hardwired desire to abuse chemicals led me to a nasty Diaz habit.

Personally I don't think these drugs are anything more than very short term treatments for the issues you listed, doctors hardly ever script them long term now.

I am now able to enjoy the odd Xanax but I'm careful to only order a few and not regularly.

The work with my GP to provide ADs to help is ongoing, have toy tried CBT?

 

[benzoman12345]

I have never tried it though the centre I am in would offer me it, I am thinking of asking for some sort of relaxation therapy as well as medz

 

[Allein]

Some find it better than others, it certainly helped me both get a better understanding of some of the bigger issues I was harbouring and helped me become more active.

I would recommend it as I can see no way it could do you harm, I got some closure on things and a better understanding of the systems I have build to bring about self loathing and hopelessness.

Don't let them fob you off with the telephone sessions, they are pointless IMO, the face to face counsellor I had was a really nice guy and just having someone to talk to about these things in a safe environment can be useful.

 

[benzoman12345]

Yeah I feel under pressure sometimes when I go into the room to see the Psych, It's him , my keyworker woman (not one single bit helpful), and sometimes a trainee-doc wich I don't mind, but I don't see my keyworker as any kind of authority or professional figure whatsoever and find it hard to even open up in her presence, I would much rather a 1-2-1 with the Psychiatrist but it's asking for that without sounding as if it's personal, I said to my mate she has never done anything for me so should I care about hurting her feelings, he said no fuck her ! ?

 

[Allein]

Yeah I feel under pressure sometimes when I go into the room to see the Psych, It's him , my keyworker woman (not one single bit helpful), and sometimes a trainee-doc wich I don't mind, but I don't see my keyworker as any kind of authority or professional figure whatsoever and find it hard to even open up in her presence, I would much rather a 1-2-1 with the Psychiatrist but it's asking for that without sounding as if it's personal, I said to my mate she has never done anything for me so should I care about hurting her feelings, he said no fuck her ! ?

I have suffered the same situation a number of times after I got discharged from a secure unit, key worker was of no use at all and the psych had little to say, I ended up taking myself off the antipsychotics and going to my GP for further treatment.

The CBT was nothing like that, it was just me and the counsellor a hour a week, he made me feel very relaxed and I discussed things I've never talked to anyone about.

It was certainly no cure but it went some way to me being more aware of state of my mental health and some of the things that made it worse.

Once of the main things we did was draw up a daily schedule for simple stuff like walking the dog, making the kids lunches, sounds silly but it really helped me out of a hole at the time.

Your GP should be able to refer you as its even more available now, do you drink a lot as some practitioners insist you aren't using before they will start.

 

[benzoman12345]

I know what you mean when you say draw up a plan, I had a friend who had a breakdown, in a secure unit , and now he has someone who comes round watches him taking his Anti-Psychotics and writes up a weekly sheet like , Monday - Volunteer work, Tuesday - home Improvements e.t.c. and that seems to have put him back into the community,

I don't need anything like that , I went through a rough phase before I have been on Anti-Depressants, Several Anti-Psychotics , I've took so many OD's fucknows how I'm still alive, but all of that happened when I was taking the Black Market Vals that contained Phenazepam , I mentioned it a few posts back I was in Auto-Pilot for months and months, I recked my home , my knuckles, got the jail, fucked my life up proper, the only way I got out of that horrible episode is because when I was in auto-pilot and made a crazy impulse decision to stop taking Valium then 4 days later rushed to Hospital massive seizure they were giving me 10mg Valium on demand , I was in for a week taking at least 50mg per day and still rattling for about a month afterwards, the hospital couldn't release me until I was on a detox programme through the local drug centre.

The problem I'm facing now is that I'm being treated as a drug addict rather than a mental health patient, I'll explain:
Every since I was a very young kid I had anxiety and symptoms of Paranoid Scrithzophrenia, auditory and visual hallucinations, restless leg syndrome the lot, Cut a long story short

My symptoms got crazy as I got older , went to Gp when I was 17 , was given Diazepam, couple of weeks later went back but it was a different GP , No Diazepam, no explanation, nothing , So i started self-medicating with black markets, and everything was ok until the Russian Batch hut the scene and I took the crazy episode that I told you about,

So I am being treated as someone who abused drugs to get high and detoxing from them , when in actual fact I;ve had mental health issues since I was a kid , I was prescribed Valium before I took a street one, and I genuinely DID take them at sensible amounts to self medicate for my anxiety, it was so bad at one point I could not go for a haircut without taking a serious tremor fit in my head, same with eye tests, waiting rooms, the lot

I should be on a repeat not a detox and the fact that it is a detox makes my anxiety worse because I KNOW that I can never ever stop taking benzos and they are going to try and make me. Pffft.

 

[Allein]

Sounds fekin awful, I can relate to some of it at least. I've been in a secure mental health unit not sectioned but only because I agreed to go.

I've told doctors about my lifetime of drug abuse but in fairness my GP and I have built some trust, I told him that if I wanted drugs to abuse I' could get them easily as without a prescription as I had done most of my adult life .

He really seemed to appreciate my honesty and I think understood, I've refused Diaz for RLS as I want to avoid the stuff on a regular basis but he has prescribed morphine and codeine with no issues and we continue to work on an AD schedule that is effective for me.

I can understand why you would want to self medicate but I would still keep pushing for formal treatment as well, the whole drug seeker attitude really annoys me, as it's almost always unspoken, ,my doctor and I discuss addiction potential as he knows I have issues in that area.

You really need proper treatment from doctors you trust for your mental health conditons, I'd look to change doctors or maybe you have someone who could come with you to appointments to puch for better treatment, For a time Mrs A came with me and it really helped.

I really hope things start to get better for you, that's a rough deal you've had there

 

[brimz]

Benzo's have to be one of the worst drugs ever, barely recreational at all, makes people stumble around like zombies, numbs you from real life and unless you call sitting on your sofa dribbling while watching TV fun, then there not fun at all.

They certainly don't agree with you .

Do you blame them for you repeating yourself .

I been off benzo's for 18 months now and its only after i came off of them and got through the withdrawals that i noticed how much damage was done to my life, my personality and my brain function.

while you are on them its easy not to notice as that is the nature of the beast, a cotton wool wrapped existence.

Yeah we got it you don't like them , seriously i 'm glad you feel better but i don't agree with all that you are saying .

 

[NightsEpiphany]

I got some lorazepam off my gp. Shes the same age as me.. looks fkin tired, relates and just writes the script. :D She always looks off her face to me as it goes.

OMG awful stuff happened.. My goddaughters dad came round and apparently cooked me a jacket potate which i ate then.....reaaallly embarrassing stuff happened i must have completely rellaxed on the sofa.

Put it this way hes got plenty of ammo to take the piss.


Leave them alone

 

[NightsEpiphany]

I feel very little form benzos... its not like a real high for me (sadly) Others seem to get euphoria off benzos though. I take em to take the edge off and relax and sleep, or on come downs or hangover cures etc.

I would much rather take a lyrica or get high, drunk or all 4 to get an actual 'buzz'

im still prescribed lyrica.. though im off it.. ( not a great pill to get addicted to. All the nice trippyness goes and youre left fat and spotty)

 

[lurching]

Spotty? What do you mean?

Lyrica didn't make me fat, it just made me more hungry. So I ate less-heavy food and did more exercise, it wasn't a huge deal. It has pretty mild side-effects, in my experience.

As for advising us to leave benzos alone because you overdosed and did "really embarrassing" stuff, well...

 

[karmanaut]

They certainly don't agree with you .

Do you blame them for you repeating yourself .

I didnt ask for you to agree me me (or want to)

Reading between the lines of your posts your using Benzo's to go along with your heroin habit, so i can see why you would say they are recreational.

And i can see why your doc would prescribe them to you, lesser of two evils and all that.

Yeah we got it you don't like them , seriously i 'm glad you feel better but i don't agree with all that you are saying .

Reading between the lines of your posts your using Benzo's to go along with your heroin habit, so i can see why you would say they are recreational.

 

[brimz]

I rarely use them recreationally i use them as prescribed

 

[karmanaut]

I rarely use them recreationally i use them as prescribed

Yeah but my posts can balance them out .

I had a chat with my \gp about benzo's today n he was off the opinion that folk like meself who have been on em years , as long as we don't abuse them he can't see any problem with prescribing maintenance although he wouldn't start someone on a benzo script for long term but he would give say 4 weeks worth

This Doc is a really good one n has been around since the 70's n knows his stuff .

I am blessed to be with him .

Right i'm off back to the land of nod

Except when their not prescribed you mean?

 

[lurching]

Yeah brimz YOUR STORY DOES NOT ADD UP.You have some splainin to do! Ya filthy recreator