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I haven't had the best experiences with people and trustworthy-ness (is that even a word?!)

Nonetheless, there is one person who although probably doesn't know it, would be the only person I would consider trusting completely. I would feel eternally bad saddling her with burdens though.

I feel selfish saying this, but I don't completely trust my family.
I'll come back and elaborate on this later.

More of my insecurities I guess.
 
I used to trust one person completely.
But that's gone now and I don't really trust anyone but myself...I know I can count on me.
 
Is there one person in this world that you put all your faith in? A person you feel you can count on through anything? Is trust something you base your relationships on?

i use to trust...then typically i got hurt. so it takes me a while before i will trust anyone. trust is something that is earnt in my books. i find i am very insecure with the person whom i now trust with my life. the insecurities nothing done on their half but more the fact o ive been hurt by trusting so many people that it just seems to eat away at me and i get all weirded out of it happening again.

i use to place a lot of energy on having friends i can trust...but now....theres only two people i can count on to help me through anything...

"you can always count on me. i wil always be here for you"

i heard those words from my best friend last week and i was taken back by his genuine meaning behind them...that not every body is out to hurt me.

trust is a BIG BIG factor of what i base relationships of any form on. be it boyfriend or jus friends...if u gain my trust thats all good...but if u break it...you will never get it back.
 
Some people I do not trust at all; other people I trust to a degree. As for complete trust, it's funny to realize it now as a result of your post, but I don't really have complete trust in anyone. In the very least, I think it's important to have trust in oneself, and I can see very clearly that I don't even have that -- though I do trust myself to a degree higher than anyone else.

I'm beginning to think I'm really bad at answering questions...
 
My trust is fickle and often badly placed.

I trust my father and a friend of mine completely. I also trust an ex of mine and although she's never given me a reason not to, there's something telling me I shouldn't. Other than that, I don't really trust anyone.

Can I throw a twist on this one?
Do you trust yourself?

I don't. It's pathetic, but I'm a sucker for temptation in it's many forms and past experience has shown me that if I make a promise to myself, there's a strong chance I'll break it if circumstance urges me to. :\
 
New Topic: DO YOU LOVE ME?

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Let's talk about love again.

What does loving someone consist of?
When do you know you're in love with someone?
Does love have to be said out loud?
Or is love something that you just feel through the way a person treats you?

We did love in one line -- as the first topic in this thread.

This time -- Tell me who you love. How do you know? Do you tell them? Do they love you back?

Share your love stories.

WHO DO YOU LOVE?
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Here we go: the best speech on what love is, ever...

from "Meet Joe Black"...

"Love is passion.... obsession.... someone you can't live without. I say, fall head over heels; find someone you can love like crazy and who will love you the same way back. And when you find him, well, you forget your head and you listen to your heart.... The truth is, there's no sense living your life without this. To make the journey and not fall deeply in love, well -- you haven't lived a life at all. But you have to try, cuz if you haven't tried, you haven't lived. "
 
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WHO WANTS TO PICK THE NEXT TOPIC?

Give me some ideas of what you want to discuss.....
Throw out some thoughts
And i will choose a new topic :)
 
The Great Delusion Of The Twentieth Century

How do you feel about this?? Read it and discuss your thoughts.

The Great Delusion Of The Twentieth Century

By Bishop C. William Page

What is to blame? Who is to blame? Was it the extended side effect of post-depression trauma? Was it delayed reaction to atomic bomb phobia? Was it post guerrilla war terror? Was it post-Nixon depression? Was it daddy-at-work, mommie-at-work, I'm-home-alone-fear? Was it it's-your-own-thing-do-what-you-want-to-do rationalization? Was it the attempt to replace the word of God with the word of man idiocy? Or, was it just plain ignorance? Or was it just the Devil?

Whatever it was, the latter half of the Twentieth Century (Earth Time, BC-AD Module) turned out to be one of great delusion. One, if not the greatest delusion of that century, was the misapprehension of the proper relationship between males and females. Hence, we shall consider some prevalent symptoms and explore some possible, and I believe probable, answers.

Few things are more beautiful than a properly-developed genuine love relationship between a male and a female. Society acknowledges such beauty by being present at the wedding, offering gifts and lavishing the new family with well-wishes. Even God Himself is present at the wedding as they are united in Holy Matrimony. This represents society at its best.

As beautiful and nurturing as it is, Holy Matrimony became a pawn in the ideological struggle of the Twentieth Century. From the 1960s forward a strange and demented rift began to appear in the male-female relationship fabric of society. More than possibly ever before, females were promoted as sex objects. The interest of many males seemingly began to focus on the mountains and valleys of the female torso rather than the hidden and often radiant beauty of her heart, spirit and soul. By the mid 1990s this trend had become so pronounced that evil minds felt safe to venture out on the unsavory anti-marriage limb. Using what appeared to many to be the current state of affairs, some suggested that traditional marriage was neither wholesome nor desirable. What had happened the the beautiful male-female love story?

Making matters worse, even horrendous, was the assertion by some that same-sex "marriages" were both natural and desirable. To them and their adherents, the next logical step was to engage in such "marriages" and fight to secure and protect the right of others to do likewise. Thus the dilemma had taken on a new and deleterious dimension. What would be the response of society in general?

The mind and will of man are most intriguing. Society responded according to its character. Those who held staunch religious beliefs stood firmly against such same-sex "marriages". Others, wishing to be less offensive, were cautiously silent. Some others began to "warm up" to the idea. Some others supported their friends and relatives who held the irreverent view--even going so far as to march in the streets to help secure their rights to practice their inconvenient persuasion. These and other reactions notwithstanding, the closing years of the Twentieth Century found themselves marred by a philosophical motif that deviated drastically from the wholesome community norms of past centuries and threatened to alter natural order to more extreme a degree than it had ever before been altered. Men and women were indeed at a crossroads.

The focus of men on the torso rather than on the human personality elicited various responses from the females. Many wanted to be what the males wanted them to be. Others rebelled by becoming promiscuous while still others turned inward. One group turned to other women. Again, the spectacle of same-sex "marriages" raised its ugly head. The sexual misuse and abuse of women by men had led to a resurgence of a movement for women's liberation. Due largely to the fracture in the foundation of relationships between men and women during the latter part of the Twentieth Century, the women's liberation movement gained momentum and captured the attention of many hurting women. Some leaders of the movement were then able to play on the emotional needs of hurting and confused women and convince them that it was safe to have relationships with women and dangerous to have relationships with men. The evidence of misuse and abuse of women by some men seemed to bear this out. However, intelligent women holding good judgment never fell for the woman-is-better line. They knew a great campaign of delusion was afoot.

What was the delusion of the latter part of the Twentieth Century? In spite of all the symptoms and trial-and-error remedies, the real issue was probably a misunderstanding of what constitutes a good relationship. (The religious will probably say, "The Devil was behind it". I agree. But, for the benefit of those who are not believers, let's look at it from an empirical point of view). What does constitute a good relationship? Would you say that friendship is an important factor? How about companionship? For a long-term relationship, wouldn't partnership be an essential element? Yes, friendship, companionship and partnership are critical elements in any proper human relationship. Remember, we are human beings, not brute beasts, not mere animals in the basic sense of the term. So, where is sex in this "relationship formula"? A relationship can exist without sex, but a marriage cannot. And while sex is an essential ingredient in a marriage, is it more essential than friendship, companionship and partnership? Sex may very well be a relationship component but it is not the entire relationship, neither is it the entire marriage. So sex out of sync becomes a dangerous culprit.

It is this culprit, sex out of sync, that marred the latter half of the Twentieth Century. The extreme and continued focus on sex, without proper regard for the essential components of friendship, companionship, partnership and the publically-sanctioned male-female marriage pact sifted many unwise people during the Twentieth Century. When sex and the enjoyment it gives becomes the target and not a tool in a relationship, the proper development of that relationship is in peril. Therefore, he or she who focuses on sex as the goal has allowed himself or herself to be deceived and has denied his or her humanity in order to return to animal functions. That's what dogs do. Almost any dog can do it.

We are not dogs. We don't have to act like them. We are more, much more. We are human. We are at the highest rung of God's Earth Order. The human was constructed so as to fit together as a unit. Two are to become one. We do fit. Men and women fit. We fit spiritually, mentally, emotionally, physically and sexually. A million men may go to war, but regardless of their "bonding" and camaraderie, they remain incomplete until they have the benefit of the smile of a woman. Many will never marry but most still seek out female companionship. The soldiers may indeed have friendship, companionship and even partnership on the battlefield, but without a woman they can never have a proper marriage. Male human beings were never intended to "marry" each other. Female human beings were never intended to "marry" each other. It's against the natural order. It is against nature. It is against God. That's why the delusion of the Twentieth Century is called The Great Delusion. It's so unnatural and horrendous. They needed a wholesome relationship safely nestled in the beautiful capsule of a a properly structured marriage. They set their sights on sex and ended up fully confused and woefully disappointed.

May the humans of the Twenty First Century be wiser. Seek the will of God for your life and you will garner much of the true joy that many in the latter half of the Twentieth Century just trampled under feet. Remember, you are a human being, not a dog. Don't be deluded.
 
The Great Delusion of Bishop C. William Page in Regards to the Relationships of the Twenty-first Century.
by Rewired

This quote is a good opener:

"A student once asked Ben how to resist the animal in herself. Ben said, `That which is resisted persists. What are you resisting?' `Well, you know, the animal passions.' `You mean sex?' `Yes.' `That's so ironic. Most animals, except dolphins and humans, have a limited season of heat, of open sexuality. The constant readiness for sexual fulfillment is an unusual characteristic found only in species with large brains and high intelligence. Whatever it is, it is not animal passion. Your intelligence is so you can handle, enjoy and appreciate your uniqueness, not deny it.'"
-- Zen without Zen Masters by Camden Benares.

The first problem, Bishop, is that you fail to see that the proper relationship is dependent on culture in general and the individual in particular. I do agree with you that women tend to be often treated as sex objects, and you have every right to perceive this as a relatively recent `rift', as you put it, but the simple truth is that men have perceived woman as sex objects as long as they have been human, and women have seen men as a source of security.

It is hardwired into our genes that we seek out these things; it is human instinct. Accepting something as instinct does not excuse it, but neither does it make it vile. It is merely an option. One can choose monogamy or a variety of relationships. Same-sex relationships and marriages are an option. In some societies, men have many wives. For some, promiscuity is as natural and morally neutral as breathing. Abstinence is sometimes favored. And some males like to be with one female and vice versa. These options are not to be thrown into the delusional, absolute categories of good and evil, moral or immoral -- they are merely different, amoral options.

And just because there is a physical drive to procreate and sex is part of the motivation to be with another, this does not make it at all times the only driving force. Perhaps for some traditional marriage really isn't wholesome or natural.

Tradition and popularity have nothing to do with right or wrong, good or evil, truth or lie -- no matter how traditional or popular this point of view happens to be. Change is not always a bad thing. Diversity is something to be cherished, respected, nurtured. Everyone has the right to live as they wish to live so long as it does not impede on the same rights as another.

What is so wholesome about doing what has always been done?

The problem with sex is that it has become symbolic to exclusivity. I personally believe this to be due to cultural imprinting as opposed to being genetic, but either way, we have the choice to perceive sex as otherwise. And why shouldn't we, if we wish to do so?

A relationship can exist with or without sex, and so can a marriage. We need to stop demonizing sex; it's a wonderful experience. Sex can be just sex -- a target -- or sex can be more meaningful with a person you share a deep emotional and intellectual connection with -- a tool. Either way, it's not wrong, it's not demonic. It's just choice. Preference. If all individuals involved agree, what harm does it bring?

You say that in making sex the target of a relationship we are regressing to animals -- but sex arises entirely out of our animal natures. It is a function with great survival value for the species, as we are able to produce offspring because of it. By ignoring the reason this drive to have sex exists, we are denying the part of us that is animal. And if we were to totally deny sex -- this animal `function' -- our species wouldn't live very long.

I also agree with you in that we are more than animals, but why might we not also say this about other animals? How would you know that they are also not `more than animals'? And why do you perceive us to be on the `highest rung' of nature? I see no evidence of this. Maybe we're on the `highest rung' on the planet, but does that make us any better? And must life exist in a hierarchy; might it be that all life is really on the same level?

We thought we were the center of the universe, we were wrong. We thought we were the center of the solar system, we were wrong. The universe is bigger and we are seemingly more insignificant in almost every respect save for one that people such as you cradle a hold of -- that we are the center of life, the highest rung of it. This delusion will also fall one day: there's my prediction.

Human beings have freedom. The ability to choose. Call it a right, call it a privilege, we sometimes carry it as a burden and make the most ridiculous choices from my point of view. Our freedom extends so far that we can choose to be slaves to external things, even imaginary things.

May the human beings of the 21st century choose to live by a code of mutual respect and learn the value their diversity of color, character, and relationships. May we stop confusing subjective interpretations with external reality.

May we enjoy life in all it's forms and flavors, free from the bondage of tradition and popularity and authority, responsible for ourselves and respectful for the choices of others. May we choose to live as we dream in spite of the bitter winds of reality.

You are not dogs. You are not domesticated and obedient to masters. You are not sheep to be kept in line by tradition, following the popular direction of the herd led by the Shepard of authority.

Remember, you are what you make yourself.

Choose your delusion.
 
Despite the efforts of stone-age personalities like Bishop C. William Page, the writing regarding cultural acceptance of homosexuality (including gay marriage) is on the wall. Much as children born after the 60s grew up wondering how the people of this country could have been so willfullly bigoted towards people of color, the children born in the second half of this decade and beyond will grow up wondering how the people of this country could be so willfully bigoted towards people with different sexual orientations.

In a related issue, any amendment to the constitution that restricts the right of gay folks to get married will be a blight on that document (even though it will be repealed fairly quickly) which will set in stone for all future generations to see the horrible backwardness of this society at the close of the 20th century.
 
Hey E-girl, good topic :D Hi to everyone else too, I'm new to the Words forum.

I missed out on answering the one about "regret" -- and I had a good one. How does this sound: "Regret is the unwillingness to learn from your mistakes."

Male human beings were never intended to "marry" each other. Female human beings were never intended to "marry" each other. It's against the natural order. It is against nature. It is against God.
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They needed a wholesome relationship safely nestled in the beautiful capsule of a a properly structured marriage. They set their sights on sex and ended up fully confused and woefully disappointed.

Ok I am on this guy's side when it comes to this issue but I don't think he's made a very good point. He seems to be, umm, taking sides with God without thinking the issue through. This kind of stubbornness is what turns people off religion these days and it's really unfortunate.

Let us examine the quote. Bishop Page seems to be associating the concept of a "wholesome relationship" with heterosexuality, and the concept of homosexuality with sexual perversion. The basis is that same-sex relationships are against the natural order, nature and God. It's an apparently weak argument that could use some backup.

http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/BSexAndBible48.htm
These rules [condemning sexual promiscuity], attributed to God, are not arbitrary. The purpose behind such commands is to promote happy families, guilt-free living, good health, good feelings, good relationships and prosperity.

This excerpt from the hyperlinked essay denotes a purpose behind the relevant rules of the Bible. "Happy families, guilt-free living, good health, good feelings, good relationships and prosperity" are all taken to be good things, and many of us will agree with this.

The essay points out some of the consequences of sexual promiscuity (which, by the way, is easy enough to see as "sexual freedom" instead). There is often guilt involved in present-day relationships: this is in contrast with the ideals of guilt-free living and good feelings. The AIDS epidemic is contrasted with good health and so on.

So there's a purpose behind the condemnation of same-sex relationships. It may not be obvious to us at first. It may even seem like God's just out to spoil our fun and make us feel bad about who we are, or keep us as his docile flock of "sheeple." He's spoiling our cheap thrills because there's a better and happier way to be; we are intended to find out who we really are; and we are to use our intellect to its highest capacity in the process of achieving both of these goals.

The Bible says, “He (God) cares about you.” The Bible’s set of guidelines for our physical and mental good is a demonstration of that care.
 
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