DXM- Pseudo-Sigma

[Alex000]

I am not new to DXM, having used it quite a bit since I tried it a year ago. I want to aim for a pseudo-sigma if that is even possible? I am on "binge" currently, and would like to know what sigma or something like it works, what causes it, and if you can function while in plateau sigma. Yesterday at 2:30 PM I took 120 mg, at 10:30 PM I took 300 mg. Today I took 120 mg at 7:30 AM, 60 mg 2:45 PM, and 90 mg at 5:45 PM. It is now around 8:20 PM my time. I want to get a taste of sigma, but not be fully immersed into the world of sigma. How much should I dose and at what times to get myself into a state where I can get a feel for plateau sigma, but still function? By the way I do take 20 mg Paxil daily (I know bad because of the risk of serotonin syndrome), and 100 mg Zoloft daily (very bad again). I just want advice and to hear your experiences.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

eek, aren't those SSRIs???

in the spirit of harm reduction, i think this board would have to suggest not to do that at all...

Sigma is elusive and not well understood from what i hear (not looking into it particularly though)...if the effects of dxm wihtout sigma activation are bad with SSRIs, to the point where one could die from the combo....then i would definitely say it has potential danger to 'take it to the next level' and activate the sigma receptors. how does sigma interact with SSRIs, does anyone know??

if you're going to experiment with dxm i'd suggest you wean your way off the pharms....perhaps seek alternate relief through therapy, or meditations while you are off the drug....and i'm not suggesting you do that, i don't know who you are, or waht's right for you...just saying the two don't mix, so you'd be better off fighting depression or whatever while dxming, rather than being ssried up and depression-free but opening the door the serotonin syndrome.

someone else may be able to point you in a viable direction with dosage...but i'm giving the prelimiary...*Bad Idea*.... harm reduction answer

safe journies, remember, no trip is worth jeopardizing your life-experience. best of potential to you though

 

[Alex000]

I know it isn't the best of ideas, because of the risk. I would never advise anyone else do it, but I am more interested in if and how it could work with me.

 

[stirfry]

I know it isn't the best of ideas, because of the risk. I would never advise anyone else do it, but I am more interested in if and how it could work with me.

I don't think it's worth the risk to attempt this. Don't underestimate serotonin syndrome, it's extremely unpleasant at best and has proved fatal before.

In my opinion, "Plateau Sigma" is just a romanticized way to say DXM induced psychosis anyway. In the culmination of a period of daily overuse, I experienced what I think some would term a "sigma" trip. In retrospect, I think it put me into a mild manic state that persisted for days even after I stopped taking the DXM. It was interesting in the sense that it's unlike any other drug experience, but I would not repeat it or recommend it.

good luck.

 

[Tromps]

You probably don't want to hear this, but honesty it's not going to happen the way you're expecting, especially on multiple SSRI's.

Although since you asked for it and in the end it's only up to you, here you go:

Plateau Sigma

A few people have independently contacted me about an additional plateau -- one reached not by increasing the dosage but by prolonging the experience. I searched for some time for a name before settling on "Plateau Sigma", both because it seems to be related to sigma activity (see Section 10.2) and because it occurs as one sums up small doses (sigma being the mathematical symbol for summation). This summation may lead to a strong potentiation of the psychotomimetic effects of DXM (227). Over half the people who had a Plateau Sigma experience have said it was extremely unpleasant and that they would never repeat it.

The most commonly reported dosage regimen for Plateau Sigma is given below. However, before giving it, I warn you strongly against making this sort of attempt. DXM at high dosages is probably hard both on the brain and the body, and extending the experience is likely to increase the chance for dangerous side effects. Furthermore, one must be experienced enough with DXM, with the psychedelic experience in general, and with one's own mind, to be able to understand the experience. Everyone who has reported a successful experience with this dosage regimen has been at least 23 years of age. While I do not doubt that some younger people may be capable of having a good experience at this plateau, most seem to be unable to understand it and unable to control it, and there may be a real danger of psychotic breaks. Finally, the experience is in some ways acutely uncomfortable, as one's contact with inner and outer reality seems to break down entirely.

Combining suggestions from others I have come up with the following dosage regimen. Start relatively early in the day (the experience degrades if one is too fatigued), at about 6 to 10 hours after awakening. It helps tremendously if one is in good physical shape and not under emotional stress. Take a low second plateau dose. In three hours (or about 1 hour after the peak), take a second low plateau dose. At three more hours (or, again, 1 hour after second peak) take a high second plateau or low third plateau dose. After coming down from the third plateau, instead of going back to the second plateau and down to baseline, you may be left in Plateau Sigma. Drugs which inhibit cytochrome P450-2D6 seem to enhance the duration and intensity of the experience. Nicotine is reported to inhibit it, and may even prevent it entirely.

At Plateau Sigma interesting things happen to reality. Some have reported vivid, entirely realistic contacts with alien entities, spirits, gods and goddesses. Unlike the fourth plateau, these contacts often take place with eyes open, immersed in everyday reality. Although none of the people who reported these experiences to me had bad trips, most related that the experiences were so real that they felt they easily could have.

Vision suffers a curious change, seeming to consist of well-processed but highly strobed images; so strong is the effect that it seems as if one is looking at the world under a fast strobe light. The eyes don't seem to track in synch with the inner 3D model of the world, so that when one looks to one side or another, the world lurches back and forth for a moment. Interestingly, it almost seems as if one is looking at the world from an inner vision with the eyes closed (see Section 5.11).

Finally, thoughts can be totally deranged. Connections between entirely unrelated ideas form, causality goes out to lunch, and one's personality seems pretty much dissolved into the universe. Expect to hear a lot of voices; some people find themselves totally obedient to them. There seems to be a "tireless" quality to the experience, as if one does not feel either fatigue or emotion directly, but only receives information from the inner voices ("sit down now, you're tired"). There are interesting comparisons both to accounts of acute schizophrenia and to Jaynes' postulated bicameral mind (350).

Again, let me warn you of the dangers here. You are probably stepping head first into psychosis, and unless you've got a very good trip sitter, you might end up coming back to reality in a padded room. Or, if you're really unlucky, you might freak out, have a hypertensive crisis, and end up in the hospital. Chronic high-dose use of PCP has been implicated both in deterioration of some brain areas and in cerebral hemorrhages. While PCP stands somewhat alone among dissociatives due to its additional and peculiar pharmacology, one should always be cautious when blazing trails in uncharted territory.

One last time: Be Careful!

Straight from Erowid -http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_experience.shtml#toc.5.9

 

[synchrojet]

I am familiar with this. Do not combine DXM with the drugs you mentioned. Bad idea. Also, there is no "partial sigma" state. The sigma state is regarded by some as a psychotic state resulting from overstimulation of certain areas in the brain. I feel it is a state that can be utilized for immense spiritual gain, but as such, is also a very vulnerable state of mind, and therefore inherently dangerous. I don't recommend just "fooling around" with this. I've induced it and it is a life changing experience to say the least. I can see where great harm could come to someone not thoroughly versed in psychedelics, and more importantly, spiritually aware and receptive.

To answer the practical questions - the doses you mentioned will not produce the state we're talking about. I posted a thread entitled "About that sigma" right here in this forum. You can look it up for particulars. Treat DXM with respect. It's a lot more powerful than most people realize.