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Dxm flashbacks? Permanent damage?

Shady Kaity

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Is this possible?
I sometimes will suddenly start to feel like I'm experiencing the whole thing again out of no where. Or even stranger, when I wake up and everything looks and feels as if I'm tripping hardcore. Like I mean doing upwards of 500mgs or more for the first time kind of tripping.
I haven't done dxm in over a month now I believe. But three years ago I was taking about 40mg/kg being a 140 teenage girl, multiple times a week if not everyday.
Why do I get these intense flashbacks?
And is it a sign of brain damage? What other signs of permanent damage should I look out for, brain and body wise?
Given my extreme abuse of it for so long, I often wonder what I may have possibly done to myself because of it.
 
@OP.

i surely would NOT be too concerned regarding olneys' lesions - there is absolutely zero solid evidence that DXM causes this in human beings. of course there are those that would debate this, until a conclusive study confirms it to be true, i would not be worrying about permanent brain damage just yet.

the best thing you can do for yourself @ this point is cease use altogether, and see if these symptoms subside with time. i spent years taking dissociatives, namely the arylcyclohexylamines, and noted certain "after effects" for a significant amount of time following complete cessation of use. if you are still having these disturbances or concerns months after stopping, then some cause for concern may be warranted.

wish i could be more helpful, but i have not touched dissociates (with the exception of 3-meo-PCE, 4-meo-PCP, methoxetamine & ketamine) in several years, and DXM (w/ the intention of achieving effects) even longer. i will say that if you have been using heavily or flat out abusing DXM for a considerable length of time - a good break from it is probably your best bet. in my times of heaviest use (again, over a decade ago), i began to note physical & psychological disturbances, some @ the time i considered to be quite serious.

that old "everything in moderation" rings true here, as well.
 
Yeah, I had almost a year break from everything, still had effects.
And does anyone know what effect dxm has on the immune system? I recently got diagnosed with lupus because of a sudden onset of unbearable symptoms, and have read a little info on dxm and auto immune diseases. Curious if maybe my extreme abuse might have played a part in lupus.
 
DXM shouldn't have any effect on your immune system if it is used only occasionally. And Olney's lesions have been a bugbear myth that has never been proven. Monkeys don't get them unless you shoot PCP right into their brains.

As for flashbacks, it is entirely possible you get them after several years. DXM actually resembles the SNRI class of antidepressants a lot more than it does a dissociative, and those are known for causing long-lasting mood and perception changes with continued use.

You're not brain damaged. The best thing you can do is to try to ignore the moments of unreality. If it helps you feel any better, some totally drug-naive people get transient feelings of unreality or "trippiness", especially when waking up/going to sleep, when you are tired, or have low blood sugar.

If the after effects are significantly lowering your quality of life, see a doctor. But don't be suprised if he can't do much.
 
Oh my use of dxm was not anywhere near occasional lol. Right from the beginning it was an everyday thing, which got to multiple times a day and I would start my mornings downing three of the big bottles of delsym, almost 3000mgs. My abuse to that extent last two years give or take. When at rehab for it, I had lost 50lbs in the two months prior, and they told me my muscles were eating themselves and the found protein in my urine.
Don't know if thats helpful in finding if it had an impact on my immune system or not.
 
Oh and brain wise and such, it's not interfering to the point where'd I'd go to a doctor or anything. I'm just curious is all lol
 
It's always tricky business to separate psychological from physical but considering how little brain change (in the form of damage or structural alterations) seem to be necessary for flashback phenomenology and how much brain stress can be endured without flashbacks... (psychedelics that have never proven to cause any kind of brain damage can cause flashbacks if the experience is brutal or significant enough)
PLUS the whole mechanism and meaning of flashbacks being rather an intense kind of memory that is hardwired into things that are associated with it and probably have a serious link-up to the amygdala...

Putting that together I think that flashbacks are sign of psychological damage and not brain damage. HPPD however seems to be much more of a physical problem resulting from disrupted sensory processing mechanisms. I don't think there are psychological processes connected to permanent tracers or seeing patterns, conversely flashbacks are connected to experiences and their meaning and imprinting of fear and trauma, all of which are psychological - and there are no drugs needed to produce flashbacks. (Consider war veterans with PTSD as an example).

I have no sources for this and am merely telling it how it seems to me on the (possibly narrow and limited) information I have on this. But this is what I think is a proper way of connecting symptoms and disorder or dysfunction.

When I say I think flashbacks in itself are no basis to suspect brain damage, psychological damage and disorders on the rise are just as worrying and altogether a sign that you should cut back or preferably stop your use or (as it sounds like) abuse.
 
For the flashback aspect, that completely makes sense.
When I was sixteen and on twenty four cccs, I went to my very first and last party ever, in which I was sexually taken advantage of (I was drinking a lot of hard alcohol as well as smoking weed :/), arrested and then hospitalized. Soon went to my first rehab, got out and not even three weeks later I overdosed and was to,d I was going to die. Being a noob to dxm at the time I took coricidon max flu with Tylenol. Totaling 12,000 mgs of apap. I layer on my couch blacked out pretty much unable to move other than to vomit bile, which went on for three days before I told my mom.
So yeah, that summer with dxm was a pretty fucking terrible one. Lol
 
i think, and don't take this the wrong way, perhaps you should see a psychologist. there is a possibility that the traumatizing experiences you've had may be a much bigger cause of your concern - and could possibly be lending either partially or completely to these "flashbacks". there is a difference between heavy use, abuse and a obvious suicide attempt.

i think others may agree w/ me when i say drugs should be the last thing you should be indulging in @ this point.
 
Oh yes, I don't partake in that type of shit anymore. At all.
I've been seeing both a psych and a psychotherapist. Since that summer I've had nightmares every night for the last four years and have been diagnosed with PTSD shortly after those traumas. I also have quite a few other psych doagnosis's ontop of that.

And I've matured so much since then and have gotten my shit together, so now my "addiction" is college lol and working towards my goals of being first an RN then proceeding to medical school to eventually become a doctor and someday, far into the future I hope to open my own practice. So, yeah needless to say, I'm an A student, great mom, and trying to find ways to better myself all the time.
The last time I did dxm was about a month or more ago, and it was because I was in so much pain due to the lupus, and had nothing else to alleviate the pain, I resort to dxm, which 480mgs doesn't have an effect on me anymore, it just made me kind of forget about the pains.
Other than that, I have what I'm rxd and I take as rxd, and for fun Ill take one mg of sub once a week, and sometimes have two or so beers.
I've cleaned up a lot since my teenage years. I'm a completely different person now :)
But I def didn't take that the wrong way, I appreciate your honesty and looking out for my best interests!
 
have you ever thought about meditation? it can be an extremely useful tool in alleviating pain, stress, and so much more. look into it - you may have to do some strenuous research and practicing to accomplish what you want from it, but many people find it to be quite helpful if not completely life changing!
 
I've gone to meditation classes a few times last year, I thoroughly enjoyed it and it's immediate effects were awesome! I will be looking back into that soon then...
Any information on the damage dxm does to the brain and body? And at what dosages and frequency?
 
I don't have that information - it is a controversial subject that has people bickering back and forth for a long time now and furthermore depends on individual body makeup and metabolism and other factors.
Aren't you overlooking the fact that coridicin and tylenol/APAP/paracetamol in huge quantities are the ones that destroy liver and other organs? And Rx meds (depending on which ones they are) and lupus can wreak havoc as well.
So before going into what's wrong with DXM use and what the exact purpose would be for you taking it at this point, I think other questions must be answered first in order for the relevance of DXM to make any sense.

It sounds horrible what you've been through, I emphasize that these things happen but cannot really place it myself. If I understand correctly, you're doing much better now, but you're not out of the woods yet - psychologically the past is hard to leave behind altogether and your health may be catching up with you. If you have such poor health, have physicians not commented on diagnostic tests done?

We are hardly a substitute for those tests.
 
Yeah I'm now riddled with medical issues...arthritis in both shoulders, possible nocturnal epilepsy which I will be getting a sleep study done for, kind of hoping they do a brain scan too, the lupus so I'm in constant chronic pain to thee point where I just break down and cry, I'm going to need surgery on both ankles in the near future from peroneal tendon subluxation. Before any drug use I've had psychiatric conditions which I'm positive drug use has exacerbated them greatly....and I'm only twenty years old....it's all very overwhelming.

But anyway enough of my sob story, what are the long term or even worst case scenario permanent damage dxm (mostly ccc use) can cause?
 
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