DXM - first time heavy dxm dose -not worth the side efx

[pieeyedpiper]

I have recently returned to pyschedelics after an almost 10 year absense. I was addicted to h most of the last 10 years and very infrequently took a moderate mushroom dose or an occasional salvia trip. For the most part their seemed to be no point. I had no intention of facing my true will and letting go of the ego's control. Heroin was all about total control of my mood and feelings in a self inflicted polarized headspace which made working a job I hated and dealing with my shortcommings tolerable. I found after making a hard decision to change the direction of my life that i am no longer afraid of surrendering control to the psychedelic journey. So when I decided to return after 10 years i knew i would not have any bad trips, and i haven't.

I started with a mescaline extraction which was successful in 2 trips but not without physical side efx. Those trip repots are for another thread this is about Dxm. I'm expecting some very clean dmt from a friend who has made it many times before. I'll do some of that when i return home for christmas, but I wanted very much to trip yesterday and could not obtain anything good on such short notice. I remembered that during my raving years in the mis 90's that I found ketamine to be highly enjoyable. I though about my first experience with it where it was described to me as "the bridge between opiate and pyschedelic." What a perfect way to describe it. It had a similar warmness to it and the dissolution of all negative feelings but strongly dissassociative at the same time. Dancing was amazing, it was like the loss of coordination was allowing me to move in ways that I couldn't or wouldn't in a normal state of mind. I remembered that while dancing I would feel my mind slip out of the body and go somewhere else. Almost like I was commanding the body from a distance. So basically I knew that I do enjoy dissacociatives. My only other experience was with accidental angel dust which was bad but didn't count in my mind because i was so f'd up before taking it. Anyway when i was a kid i never robotripped because by the time i was 15 i already had access to some of the cleanest lsd in the world, but I knew some kids that raved about it's pyschedelic potential. So I figured what the hell lets see where it goes whats the harm.

I took 350 mg once before and had a mildly dissacociative experience once before with a 4 oz bottle of plain dxm robo. During that trip I had replays from my past sift in and out of my mind reminding me of things i had forgot which was scary but good. I decided this time I would up my dose to 750 or so with two 4 oz bottles of generic kroger brand dxm only tussin. It tasted so much worse than robo I could not believe it. Thick and absolutely vile. So I split up two 4 oz doses and spaced them out 40 min apart. It took almost 2 hrs for it to really kick in. The dissacociative efxs were stronger but so were the side efx. I had none of the pleasure in movement that i remember from special K. I was totally debilatated and needed to lie down. My palms and feet were sweaty and had some itches. My mind felt delerious I wish i could remember more. I spent most of the night in a state of half consciousness and I do remember feeling transported to places I've recently been and feeling like i was reliving those experiences while my body lay separated motionless on the bed. My vision was extremely blurred anytime I'd open my eyes. The lights were extremely hostile and I found a dark room more pleasant. I will say that I did enjoy the dissacociative efxs and had no bad feelings about that, but the side efxs were too servere to make it worth it.

This afternoon I woke up with an agonizing headache and found that I was still tripping after sleeping for 8 or more hrs. I had that abnoxious blurred vision for the first half of the day and could not keep from lying down for very long. I still have the headache now but it's more tolerable. In addition to that I had a total lack of appetite mild upset stomach and errectile dysfunction all day. I prefer cleaner trips with less or no hangover. I am willing to take suggestions for another trip but i doubt I'll do it again. I am curious to know however what can be done to reduce these side efx on higher doses of dxm. Keep in mind I did not take tussin with any other drugs. Sail on psychonauts.


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[!_MDMA_!]

paragraphs are your friend

if you won't take the time to make this readable i won't take the time to read it...

 

[Moral Decay]

for real about the return key sometimes.

I read it but it was difficult.

The problem with DXM is that it is not a clean drug at all when taken in robo. The alcohol in the tussin really muddies up the experience. Not to mention that DXM is a strong dissociative. I would not really consider it a psychedelic at all. I've had some good times on DXM in my past but it was pure lab grade dxm powder from a site that is now defunct.

Those "side effects" as you call them are the main effects of DXM, it causes blurry vision, slurred speech, and inhibits your bodies ability to sweat which can be uncomfortable if you get too hot. EVERYTIME i have ever dont DXM it gave me a headache so you cant really escape that.

All in all DXM is not really a very enjoyable drug, its known as a hobo drug where i live cause only bums with no money use it recreationally. If you are lookin for an easy to obtain psychedelic order some baby Hawaiian woodrose seeds off the internet and read up on how to prepare them, or order some non-treated morning glory seeds. Hell you could even do some experimentation with salvia, though you should be careful with that one; i had the single most terrifying experience with salvia that i have ever had despite extensive experience with shrooms and acid.

 

[Social Suicide]

You should break that shit up, man.

 

[pieeyedpiper]

The lack of paragraphs, bad spelling and grammar were due to the deranged state I was still in when writing last night. Yes i probably wouldn't have wanted to read it that way either. I'd have to agree with those calling it a hobo drug. If side efx like I experienced are not side efx at all but actually the norm then there would be no reason what so ever to take it when there are so many cleaner, better, more productive psychedelics out there.

I can understand why some would consider dxm a psychedelic and others wouldn't. It is obviously a powerful dissacociative which works entirely different then drugs like lsd or mushrooms. Like I said I very much enjoy the dissacociative experience. That is why i wanted to try dxm. If I put in a little effort I could probably still get K and I may do that in the future. I had only good experiences with it in the past with little to no bad side efx that I can recall. As far as LSA goes I have no interest what so ever. To many trip reports of people getting sick with lsd like effects. I want to keep my cherished memory of white fluff (90's acid) untarnished knowing there is nothing out there these days that can compare. As for salvia I've done that 4 - 5 times mostly while on heroin. I had one terrifying but facinating out of body experience and some other less scary but enjoyable trips. I'd definately try it again but honestly i took it because I couldn't get Dmt which I now have access to.

I plan on making a cleaner mescaline product soon. either acetate with citrus turpentine and vinegar, or HCI with lye, muriatic acid, and naptha. I made carbonate before with rubbing alcohol which was enjoyable but heavy and made me sick at times. I'm very much looking foward to the dmt next month, I've been waiting a long time for it. Has anyone tried DXM extraction methods? I doubt I'll do it again regardless but I am curious if it makes for a cleaner experience.

 

[Moral Decay]

The main thing with DXM is not combining alcohol with it. Even in small amounts alcohol severely alters the experience. I'm not suggesting you go out and eat a bunch of coricedrin but every time i did DXM in powder form i found it to be much more enjoyable than in the Robitussin formula with alcohol in combination.

I had several friends who experimented with the lab grade stuff. Each of them i told not to drink at all on it, one even had the nerve to tell me that i "didn't know his tolerance to alcohol and he could handle one drink on anything" needless to say he became very ill and was miserable for hours.

I'm not suggesting you continue to do DXM , but i think you would enjoy it a lot more with out the alcohol muddying up the high. One warning though is that you should be weary of bromide poisoning. Which is a risk with Dextromethorphan hydrobromide. So just make sure you are careful what form of DXM you are using.

From the dose you said you'd taken; 350mg, it sounds like you have reached the second plateau. The next dose you said you had planned to take is known as the third plateau and can be very intense and sometimes scary. See the below explanation:

Second Plateau (400-600mg's): Moderate intoxication, feelings of euphoria may remain but most times are replaced with other feelings, some loss of motor control, difficulty speaking, dilated pupils, moderate audio/visual hallucinations (music sounds different, more elaborate Closed Eye Visuals), slight time distortion, raised body temperature, hypertension.

Third Plateau (700-1500mg): Strong intoxication, overwhelming feelings/confusion, loss of most motor control, proper annunciation of words becomes impossible, dilated pupils, strong audio/visual hallucinations (Open Eye Visuals in low light), moderate time distortion, raised body temperature, strong hypertension, paranoia (the "OMFG I THINK IM GONNA DIE" effect).

for more information refer to Erowid DXM vault:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm.shtml

 

[pieeyedpiper]

the kroger brand tussin claims to be alcohol free dex with no other active ingredients. I did however consume over 700 mg of dex with around five drinks prior to ingestion so I guess I had it coming. I'm going to assume my experience would have still had the same unpleasantness (sweat, horrible headache, upset stomach, errectile dysfunction, blurred vision, and exhuastion) without the alcohol but perhaps less severe. Never the less the next time I feel compelled to sever my mind from it's host I'll be patient and go through the channels to get k.

 

[!_MDMA_!]

The main thing with DXM is not combining alcohol with it. Even in small amounts alcohol severely alters the experience. I'm not suggesting you go out and eat a bunch of coricedrin but every time i did DXM in powder form i found it to be much more enjoyable than in the Robitussin formula with alcohol in combination.

I had several friends who experimented with the lab grade stuff. Each of them i told not to drink at all on it, one even had the nerve to tell me that i "didn't know his tolerance to alcohol and he could handle one drink on anything" needless to say he became very ill and was miserable for hours.

I'm not suggesting you continue to do DXM , but i think you would enjoy it a lot more with out the alcohol muddying up the high. One warning though is that you should be weary of bromide poisoning. Which is a risk with Dextromethorphan hydrobromide. So just make sure you are careful what form of DXM you are using.

From the dose you said you'd taken; 350mg, it sounds like you have reached the second plateau. The next dose you said you had planned to take is known as the third plateau and can be very intense and sometimes scary. See the below explanation:

Second Plateau (400-600mg's): Moderate intoxication, feelings of euphoria may remain but most times are replaced with other feelings, some loss of motor control, difficulty speaking, dilated pupils, moderate audio/visual hallucinations (music sounds different, more elaborate Closed Eye Visuals), slight time distortion, raised body temperature, hypertension.

Third Plateau (700-1500mg): Strong intoxication, overwhelming feelings/confusion, loss of most motor control, proper annunciation of words becomes impossible, dilated pupils, strong audio/visual hallucinations (Open Eye Visuals in low light), moderate time distortion, raised body temperature, strong hypertension, paranoia (the "OMFG I THINK IM GONNA DIE" effect).

for more information refer to Erowid DXM vault:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm.shtml

moderate time distortion is very misinforming
dxm is incredibling time distorting, even at doeses such as 350 mg. i've sat there for what i thought was hours, it was 30 minutes...

try watching a tv show you really enjoy, it is more enjoyable as you feel you're watching it forever and it's awesome

i reccommend you try smoking weed with dxm, it helps reduce nausea from the syrup and synergizes with dxm really well, just don't go onto higher doses if it's your first time with dxm+weed

also some of those sideaffects can be taken care of... for the itches, take a some benadryl, and the rise in body temperature can be countered by drinking some water with ice, which is what i find works when cali goes 100 degrees +


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[Tromps]

i reccommend you try smoking weed with dxm, it helps reduce nausea from the syrup and synergizes with dxm really well

I agree 100%. I never embark on a robotrip without some weed to go with it. Weed makes the trip feel much, much cleaner and usually eliminates most of those negative and dirty side effects. Not to mention how well marijuana potentates the dxm high, and vice-versa. Usually I smoke right as the dxm reaches its plateau because I find it to be the best way to obtain that expectation I want out of the trip, otherwise the trip feels unfulfilling and a waste of time.