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DXM - First time 4th plateau

HighVoltage

HighVoltage

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Hello :)

I plan on reaching the 4th plateau for the first time, maybe this week or the week after.
But I'm a little afraid and I was wondering if someone could give me some advices.

Off course it won't be the first time I take DXM.

Thank you!
 
Why going for the third instead of the fourth?

Because I did the third, I enjoyed it, with and without cannabis. But I'd like to try the 4th anyway.
Did you reach the 4th plateau?
 
i've hit 4th plateau a bunch of times but it was quite a few years ago. I'd stay in a safe environment, definitely have a friend or two watching over, avoid the general public and try not to smoke cannabis (during the peak at least) as i can guarantee you will black out. I've done plenty of stupid shit on 4th plateau especially when i kept going in and out of consciousness. I had some pretty insane insights about life and death but overall the experiences are tricky to remember. I still have strange memories of sensations i had during those trips. Interesting, but be careful.

Also keep in mind that at some point during the 4th plateau you will lose your ability to communicate. At the very least you will be incoherent to others. It's like being stuck in a broken car or something.
 
I never asked a friend to be my sitter. I discovered DXM by myself, step by step, and always alone.
Having a sober friend watching me just don't feel right to me. I know it could help if anything goes wrong, but my friends aren't really into that kind of stuff and being supervised by someone who doesn't have much knowledge about DXM... It's a no-brainer.

And having put myself through 12mg/kg, I don't think 15mg/kg will put me to the hospital.

I'll definitely stay in a safe place, I'll avoid people and won't smoke cannabis.
 
IMO there is one type of person that can handle this.. read on

There's always that one guy who goes WILD and seems to be enjoying it while under control at the same time. That person seems to have a natural tolerance to drugs (probably can't happen) or either immense mental strength to handle the crazy reality they put themselves in while under high doses of psychs (This is comparable to the drink til you drop type of person) That guy can be spotted instantly and everybody just says to themselves how fucked up he is and how he seems to not have a care in the world about anything but fun and drugs.

That person is (IMO) the type of person who can handle a 4th plateau trip. He has a strong mind, strong willpower, and can control their actions safely. Even experienced DEXers respect the 4th plateau as it is intense and often unpleasant. Most experience anxiety from the loss of contact with reality and the near death experience feeling.

Ask yourself this:
Can you handle and extremely real feeling of dying or being close to death?
Can you handle confusion or disorientation?
Are you experienced in dissociatives and or psychedelics?
If so then id say you can handle the 4th plateau. But im sorry to say i highly doubt it. Id advise against it as the others here have.
If you have mental illness or are taking SSRI's then do not attempt at all.
 
I can't say how I will react when I'll get the feeling of dying.
I understand that the 4th plateau may be unpleasant and intense.

But I'd like to experienced this intensity.
I'd like having one OBE too.

And yes I went through hard confusion with DXM, to the point where I couldn't focus anymore on what I saw. Everything kept moving and it was hard for the mind. I was extremely dizzy too. But I knew it would pass, and I didn't freak out.
Everytime I trip I focus on letting myself go, not letting fear take the control. And to this day I never had a badtrip with DXM, even if some moments were unpleasant.

I don't say I'm ready for it or that I know and I'm not afraid of what I'll put myself through. I just know that I'd love to experience inexperienced feelings.
 
Don't try hitting thr 4th. p. too risky!

Just take small hit or two or three of salvia on the 3rd. p. That will satisfy those "way-out" urges. 8o

A few modest hits of dmt might work well too, but i've never tried it. Big two thumbs up on the 3rd. p. (small) salvia tip thou, very satisfying of those "way-out" urges...and you won't need a sitter ...or at least i didn't ymmv.
 
Yeah i always found those higher doses to give me a real profound sensation of doom or death. It's odd and at that point i'd be so dissociated that thought are completely scrambled and you no longer have the ability to think anywhere normal. At least IME. I agree you have to have experienced it to really understand. But it can have a strange impact on your psyche. To be honest, after my incident i recently had with frequent DXM high doses, i will never touch it unless i have anti-psychotics on hand like olanzapine or risperidone. not sure about seroquel since i dont have experience with it, mainly typical anti-psychotics. benzos are always a nice thing to have a spare of for those not so great times while tripping, on anything for that matter.
 
It's been a while since I took DXM for the last time and with your comments, I'll go for a 3rd plateau instead.
It will be 12.5mg/kg.

I'm curious to try it with Salvia, but I no longer have extract, only dried leaves. And I currently don't have a bong.
I read that a well-done tea works. Since I have a great amount of leaves, do you have any advices for making the perfect tea?
(I only have a microwave to boil the water, does it matter?)

Thank you all. It's my first thread and your answers really are helpful.
 
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I can safely say I've only hit 4th plateau once, and even being an experienced DXM user (30-40 trips beforehand) I was a bit overwhelmed at certain points.
I took 50 robogels and then downed a bottle of vicks with just dxm, I was up at around 1.4g of dextromethorphan, which may have been a bit overkill but I was building a tolerance at that point.
By the time I really started coming up, the vicks was giving me some bad nausea because I always take gels instead of chugging syrup, and due to being so fucked in my head, I got worked up and started feeling really hot (I never did find out if I was just imagining it or if I was really running a temperature), and I turned a fan on, which helped. What didn't help was that the room I was in only had deep red led light strips running along the ceiling, and I was getting a real sorta hellish vibe from the room. My voice seemed deep and muffled and I couldn't understand what anybody was saying.
So I'm really hot, like burning up, peaking and tripping out that I'm now dying and I am halfway into hell, and my friend's dad comes in to check on me, knocking the fan out of the way. This caused me to feel twice as hot as before, and looking up at him babbling incoherently (he's a drunk) I saw him as the devil. Then my friend (bearded hippie type) makes him leave and points the fan back at me, and I look up at him and see him as Jesus due to the hippie look and cooling me down with the fan.
His dad, being drunk and just trying to help, keeps coming back in and knocking the fan out of the way, so every time he comes in, I get burning hot, and the room gets redder, and every time my friend forces him back out, the room gets a blue color to it and cools down.

At this point my trip is basically a crazy fucking movie, I am essentially watching Jesus and Satan battle for my life, Jesus (my friend) trying to drag me out of hell and trying to keep satan (his dad) out.
This went on for another hour until I faded out of consciousness. I don't even remember this little stretch. But when I came back, I threw up in a bucket, and the epic battle for my life ended, seemingly in a draw, leaving me in limbo, and I dragged myself onto the couch. From here on I just drifted from life to death in my head, debating on which was the better option at this point. Eventually, I came down enough to realize I had been tripping, and I just let myself fall asleep.

Sorry for going on so long, I know this isn't supposed to be a trip report, I just wanted to illustrate the ridiculousness that takes place at the 4th plateau. Anything is possible, and the most regular things can rise to epic proportions, for the better or worse.
Just remember the essential set and setting, because they will become a big part of a 4th plateau trip.
 
Thanks for all your answers, really!

I'll take 720 mg of DXM tonight (12,5 mg/kg) and I'll keep the fourth plateau for later.
 
The issue with disassociates is that the point you must take yourself to gain anything is a point most men would never put their bodies in. But one must realize the physical body is simply a shell, a vessel for the mind. It must be ignored at times to gain awareness and knowledge, but this is not to say that it isn't important to maintain health. The opposite of that actually a healthy body is a healthy mind.

But on the matter of fourth plateau, go for it. If you have experienced third plateau and are comfortable with it then I agree that you are ready for the next step. Just remember that it won't be easy and it's gonna be rough. But the reward is so sweet.
 
I'm curious to see how the trip went. My worst 4th plateau experience lead me to thinking I was blanket in a forgotten old shop for about 5 hours.
 
I have hit the 4th once and I blacked out for two days. I just like to go to the second and just keep it safe.
 
I was planning on hitting high 3rd minimum the other night, but once I had set everything up all ready to go something didn't feel right, I couldn't place it. So I didn't take anything at all and never will if I'm feeling any apprehension before taking.
 
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