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DXM extraction difficulties

Mysterie

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so i plan to extract dxm from robitussin DF using this guide

so ive got some questions becuase some things that are available in America arent here in Aus

1. Is Shellite an okay substitute for naptha? I read somewhere that someone had a bad experiance using it
2. I heard you could use NaOH (drano?) instead of clear Ammonia but that its also a stronger base, does that change the ammount i need to use?


thanks and if anyones got a guide based on Aus ingrediants or an easier way to get a freebase or solid from dxm (not agent lemon) please let me know
 
so i plan to extract dxm from robitussin DF using this guide

so ive got some questions becuase some things that are available in America arent here in Aus

1. Is Shellite an okay substitute for naptha? I read somewhere that someone had a bad experiance using it
2. I heard you could use NaOH (drano?) instead of clear Ammonia but that its also a stronger base, does that change the ammount i need to use?


thanks and if anyones got a guide based on Aus ingrediants or an easier way to get a freebase or solid from dxm (not agent lemon) please let me know

I dont see the point in extracting. Just chug a normal amount and if need be take sum anti nausea sick pills called travelcalm.

1. Shellite is "naphtha" Its a blend which is similar. Hardware store.
2.Yes u can. Its sold in the supermarkets. Not sure about quantity but i wouldnt substitute or even attempt to extract such a worthless drug. Its a good potentiator tho. If u wanna trip just do sum cid or shrooms.

DXM is illegal to import or to even to have in ur possession. If its pure that is.
 
This may be a stupid question.... but why not just buy the pure powder? Illegal in Kangarooland??? :o

Pretty much everything even vaguely recreational is illegal here.

Except for alcohol and cigarettes of course, because they aren't 'real drugs.':\
 
Haha and what land of ignorance are you from?

I'm from Notkangarooland to be specific. Geez, you expect me to know your country's laws? I don't live there... thankfully it seems.

Pretty much everything even vaguely recreational is illegal here.

Except for alcohol and cigarettes of course, because they aren't 'real drugs.':\

Wow. Even brand new things are instantly illegal? Must be some sort of blanket law... talk about closed-minded. I'd love to read how that law is worded.
 
Was just reference to your kangaroolan quote, not the other. Am interested to know what country you can buy dxm powder in
 
I have seen it for sale all over the web.

Quote Erowid

"Australia #
DXM is legal as an over-the-counter cough suppressant, but import restrictions on DXM-only products may exist. We have been told that DXM over-the-counter products are limited to 3% or less DXM and one package may not contain over 600mg of DXM. (unconfirmed) (thanks O, SG)"

I don't believe those restrictions were there a few years ago.
 
Makes sense but still quite vague. Is there anyone that's had legal issues with dxm importation or simular?
 
First and foremost I'd advise anyone not familiar with handling these chemicals not to carry out this procedure, or at the very least read the MSDS sheets for Shellite and Sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda or NaOH) These procedures are simple enough, but accidents seem to be common.

Most importantly
* NaOH causes nasty burns
* Naphtha and Shellite are highly flammable

As most procedures call for heating the Naphtha/ DXM solution, care must be taken:

1) safeguard against the possibility of burns
2) pick an appropriate environment
3) have a suitable extinguisher on hand if large amounts are used.

There's also at least one Bluelighter who learned the hard way about handling caustic soda without taking proper precautions. Always wear gloves and eye protection while handling NaOH, and never touch your face with contaminated gloves/hands.


1. Is Shellite an okay substitute for naptha? I read somewhere that someone had a bad experiance using it

Naptha is a general term used to describe a blend of hydrocarbons, (also termed petroleum ethers, although these are not true ethers as the compounds don't contain an -O- linkage). Different grades of naphtha contain compounds with different carbon chain lengths, and so different boiling points. Some of the heavy naphthas have boiling ranges that go up to 200 *C. Light Naphtha is typically a mixture of compounds with 5-6 carbons, with boiling points between 30-90*C. Shellite is a mixture of light Naphtha (including n-hexane) and ethylbenzene, with benzene as an impurity typically present at less than 0.1% (note: benzene is a known carcinogen, and ethylbenzene is classed as a possible human carcinogen) Shellite will do the job as far as extraction goes, but it's important for health reasons that all traces of solvent be completely removed via evaporation; use a vacuum desiccator if available.

2. I heard you could use NaOH (drano?) instead of clear Ammonia but that its also a stronger base, does that change the ammount i need to use?


It's difficult to say how much ammonia is in the standard household solution, probably 1-2moles/litre, but it's helpful to know how much of the amine (DXM) is in the product. Using something found elsewhere, it is stated an 8 oz (~240mL) bottle of Robotussin contains 708mg of DXM. Assuming this is measured as the hydrobromide salt, then there is just over 2 moles of DXM HBr present (708mg/ molecular weight of DXM HBr which =352.31g).

If substituting NaOH for NH4OH, it would probably be best to prepare a 3.0 molar solution (12g NaOH/100mL water). NaOH + H2O is very exothermic - care is needed if large amounts are prepared, and a suitable container a must! The cooled solution would then be added bit by bit to the DXM containing solution -shaking, swirling, stirring etc - until the pH is around 10. A pH meter or indicator papers are used for this. The total volume of added alkali solution is not critical but DXM has a pka of around 8.3 so the solution pH would need to be kept higher than this to liberate all the freebase. The resulting precipitate would be extracted with the non polar solvent (Shellite).

In answering these questions, I suggest before deciding to go ahead with this extraction the op gives considerable thought to the increased dangers that accompany high dose consumption of concentrated DXM, and whether the legal implications of being caught either preparing or in possession of a purified product are worth it. I don't recommend it for these reasons.
 
dxm is probably the easiest thing in the world to extract, with a minimal amount of patients and skill. from possibly too much expierence, naoh(sodium hydroxide) is fine, actually its much cleaner than amonia, and available 100% pure from hardware stores in australia legally. shellite is fine, although only contains about 30% naptha and some other hydrocarbon i cant currently remember. zippo fluid works very well, but is expensive. Pure naptha can be purchases as fire twirling fluid from you favorite herbal store. its quite easy to get very pure white crystatals. if you screw it up, then organic chemistry is deffinately not for you. and be safe with dxm, it can be a shit load of fun, but a little more than the average person can handle. combined with No2 swim has traveled back in time an seen ones self sitting next to ones self while doing said drug... intense shit. but the most fun you can have with otc medication in kangarooland. be safe, and dont dont do anything swim has done!!!
 
Dude, wtf? Just buy Robitussin DX Extra Strength! 30 mg of DXM (pukes...) per 10 ml, no restrictions on the amount of Robo that you can buy, and it's possibly linked to Olney's Lesions in your brain!
 
1. mix a bottle of cough syrup with 1/4 inch naptha - shake for 5 min.
2. put in a bag and hang for 5 min. and drain and discard the naptha (clear) layer. make sure all of the nonclear stuff does not drip into this layer. its not worth it, make sure all of it has been drained from the hole at the bottom of the bag before saving the clear layer.
3. mix this product with a NaOH mixture and shake for 5 min. (the NaOH product is a cup of water mixed with enough sodium hyrdroxide that it turns cloudy white and wont dissolve any longer maybe 4-6 tbsp per cup. from this cup of NaOH made add around 4-8 tbsp to the DXM/naptha product we already have saved *based off a 10 oz bottle of cough syrup* enough to notice a color difference. ALWAYS add acid to water, very important)
4. shake for 5 min.
4. add 1/4 inch more naptha and mix for an additional 5 min.
5. let sit 10 min. and drain the bottom layer, saving the clear top part.
6. boil it 5+ min.
7. optional: let it air dry outside in a large surface area glass container for an hour or so to make sure all naptha smell is gone. after that you still may have a 'menthol smell' in certain syrups, this is normal and safe. *the longer the safer.*
YOU NOW HAVE PURE DXM.

a side note on NaOH: sodium hydroxide aka NaOH aka CAUSTIC SODA aka 100% PURE LYE warms up so dont be alarmed. its also corrosive and toxic but not if treated; meaning its ok to NOT wear gloves and goggles (even though i prefer it) as long as you wash it off you you and keep your eyes from a distance. it feels like slippery soap on your hands so you'll know. you can also do this inside but have circulation like the ac blowing strong, doors open and fans running especially when boiling this - the naptha and NaOH leave strong smells.
NaOH can be found (at least in the US) at local hardware stores like ACE or photographic shops commonly by the name of LYE. it must be 100% LYE and if it doesnt say it in the title look on the back for the ingredients and it should say its the only ingredient. I DO NOT TRUST DRANO or any other brand that has other shit listed in the ingredients besides sodium hydroxide. you might end up blue pale and lifeless the next morning... just be careful.

a side note on Naptha: in the US its everywhere. just ask for a fluid that will work in your Zippo ligher (really any refillable lighter besides Butane) and there ya go. be sure your final product looks clear and doesnt smell (except if your using some cough syrup with menthol in it then it may smell peculiarly minty. in this case taste a TINY bit of your final product and some of the naptha from the bottle you bought. if they are different smells/tastes your in the clear. if not boil down some more but be careful. keep it over medium heat where its barely boiling in a pan and not just completely evaporating or boiling over.
 
Shellite and Naptha work fine.

I like to make the "Agent Lemon" brew, except I use chewable vitamin c instead of citric acid. The stuff tastes worse than the cough syrup though, but taking 600-800mg in one hit without all the other crap does change the trip...
 
Extracted DXM is the go. Nobody should be taking such massive amounts of artificial sweeteners, if any at all for that matter. Capping DXM crystal would be the best way to go.

I have come across DXM powder a few times in Aus, but I found it was much more common in Nth America. I often see it for sale on vendor sites while I'm researching what RC's are being sold now days.
 
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