Hey Bluelighters,
Just looking for a bit of advice on a specific DXM scenario, specifically dosage, as I plan to do DXM tonight. I'd appreciate your reading as much of the novel I wrote below as you can, but here is the (italicized and still longish) TL;DR version:
I've done DXM about 6 times over 9 years and last time (2 years ago), for the first time, hit the third plateau, at about 8.53 mg/kg. I had CEVs, music euphoria, and dissociative fantasies interspersed with periods of relative lucidity. I spent most of the time lying on the couch and not moving much. I was normal to the point where others probably couldn't tell I was on anything about 17 hours after dosing. Peak was 7 to 12 hours after dosing. Residual effects (CEVs) were noticeable for 24 hours or more. I'm doing DXM tonight and am looking for a similar experience but slightly stronger (if I err on one side, I'd rather it be too weak than too strong; that said, I probably won't do DXM again and don't want a totally lame experience). I am planning on doing 9.45 mg/kg but am wondering if I should do a bit (or a lot) less. In giving advice, please consider the following goals and factors: I don't have anything important to do tomorrow; I'd like to appear normal to others within around 17 hours after dosing, as others can't know I'm high, though I plan to basically stay in my room (which has a lot of privacy from the rest of the house) and do nothing during the trip; doing the same dose twice (even a long time after the first dose) tends to lead to disappointing results for me (though I never approached the third plateau until last time and have not tried repeating a third plateau-level dose); DXM takes a looong time to hit me even though I use Hbr exclusively; I unintentionally had what I'd describe as a more or less first plateau experience the last time I took a few normal clinical dose of DXM for a cold, which was about 6 to 9 months after the third plateau dose. I am very interested in thoughts about or experiences with what is described in the bolded text in the previous sentence. I don't know what to make of that experience or whether and to what extent it should inform my dosage this time around. Nothing like that has ever happened to me before.
P.S. If numbers are easier than mg/kg, last time my dose was 600 mg, and I weighed about 155 lbs. This time, I'm considering doing about 720 mg, and I weigh about 168 lbs.
Long version:
Background:
I have done DXM maybe 6 times before, over the period of 9 years or so and have done a lot of research on it over the years. So I am reasonably knowledgeable and have a general sense of how the drug affects me, but I am by no means a regular user or an expert. I was getting bored of low-to-mid second plateau experiences, so the last time I did it (two years ago), I did about 8.53 mg/kg, which got me to the third plateau. I had mild CEVs and emotional flatness/sluggishness up to more than 24 hours later, but the effects had mostly died down (to the point where I could act normally around other people and walk without difficulty) by 17 hours after dosing. I had the expected dissociation, music euphoria, CEVs, thought loops, and robo-walking. When walking, I also had visual flanging -- where my vision went from reality to black every step I took, kind of like an old-fashioned, slow animation real. At one point, I was seeing things in twos or threes. I had two bizarre fantasies (that I can remember) where I would sort of cycle back and forth between reality (as distorted by DXM) and a sort of vaguely defined and malleable dissociated fantasy world.
Three other pieces of background info that may be relevant for giving advice:
1. Contrary to what is generally suggested, I always drinking a moderate amount (sometimes a heavier amount) before the trip and while I am waiting for the come-up. I am experienced with alcohol and pharmaceuticals but have never done any other hallucinogen, so DXM is the most unusual and bizarre drug experience I've had. As a result, I always have some anxiety, mixed with excitement, going into a trip. I find the alcohol calms me down. It probably prevents me from fully experiencing the lower plateaus as I come up, but I think it is worth it for higher doses because, other than the first time I did DXM, I generally don't have too much anxiety during the trip, which I think makes it less likely I'll have a bad trip. I am unwilling to go into the trip without having at least a few drinks (I have a fairly high alcohol tolerance).
2. Sometime well after the last trip, maybe 6-9 months later, I took Nyquil/Dayquil as directed for a cold (for recreational purposes, I don't use products that contain drugs other than DXM, so no need for the "don't be an idiot" warning). For some reason, even though I was taking the normal dose and had never had any recreational effects from a normal dose in the past, I had some recreational effects -- CEVs, nervous system arousal (stimulant effect), music euphoria, and mildly poor coordination walking. This freaked me out because I wasn't trying to get high, though the music euphoria was pretty incredible, synesthesic really.
3. I use Hbr capsules (don't suggest syrup -- not available), and they take a looooonng time to hit. Last time I didn't really feel anything noticeable until about five hours in. My peak was from about hours 7 to 12. This is not atypical.
The current situation:
OK, after that long preamble, here is the current situation. I want to have a similar experience to last time but slightly stronger. Even though my rate of use is less than once per year (I've gone as long as 5 or 6 years without doing DXM), in my admittedly limited experience, when I have a given effect at a certain dose, the effect of that same dose is much weaker if I repeat. Some of that may be that I am disappointed by not getting anything new out of the experience. But the last dose was about 50% more than the next-highest dose before that and it was third plateau (I have no desire to approach the fourth plateau). I intend to do it alone, as always, and it's important that I don't do anything to alert the other members of my household that I am doing DXM. I have the basement to myself and others rarely come down there, so I have privacy. I can probably get about 17 hours without another person trying to interact with me, which hopefully is enough. I don't have anything important to do the next day, but I will have to see the two other people in my house.
Dosage-wise, I have enough to go as high as about 9.45 mg/kg, but I'm wondering if I should do a bit less and, if so, how much less. I would appreciate any advice on dosage based on the experiences and goals I have described, including estimates of how much the effects would differ between this time and last time based on the dosage difference. One thing I've very interested in any experience or feedback on: What do I make of the fact that I got a more or less first plateau experience the last time I took the clinically recommended dose (a few doses appropriately spaced apart)? Does this mean my tolerance may have lowered considerably or should I dismiss it as a freak occurrence? I don't want to take a dose that ends up being a million times stronger than expected. Keep in mind that was two years ago.
Also, I always get those giant alien saucer eyes. Does anyone have a sense of how long those last (I don't remember) or likely will last for me (given the fact that DXM takes a long time to hit me), more specifically how long they will be noticeable to other people. In considering how much time it will take me to seem normal to other people, the saucer eyes seem like a relevant consideration. I do wear glasses, so that might make it a bit less obvious. Are the saucer eyes less obvious to other people than to the dumbfounded user looking in the mirror?
Thank you for your time.
Just looking for a bit of advice on a specific DXM scenario, specifically dosage, as I plan to do DXM tonight. I'd appreciate your reading as much of the novel I wrote below as you can, but here is the (italicized and still longish) TL;DR version:
I've done DXM about 6 times over 9 years and last time (2 years ago), for the first time, hit the third plateau, at about 8.53 mg/kg. I had CEVs, music euphoria, and dissociative fantasies interspersed with periods of relative lucidity. I spent most of the time lying on the couch and not moving much. I was normal to the point where others probably couldn't tell I was on anything about 17 hours after dosing. Peak was 7 to 12 hours after dosing. Residual effects (CEVs) were noticeable for 24 hours or more. I'm doing DXM tonight and am looking for a similar experience but slightly stronger (if I err on one side, I'd rather it be too weak than too strong; that said, I probably won't do DXM again and don't want a totally lame experience). I am planning on doing 9.45 mg/kg but am wondering if I should do a bit (or a lot) less. In giving advice, please consider the following goals and factors: I don't have anything important to do tomorrow; I'd like to appear normal to others within around 17 hours after dosing, as others can't know I'm high, though I plan to basically stay in my room (which has a lot of privacy from the rest of the house) and do nothing during the trip; doing the same dose twice (even a long time after the first dose) tends to lead to disappointing results for me (though I never approached the third plateau until last time and have not tried repeating a third plateau-level dose); DXM takes a looong time to hit me even though I use Hbr exclusively; I unintentionally had what I'd describe as a more or less first plateau experience the last time I took a few normal clinical dose of DXM for a cold, which was about 6 to 9 months after the third plateau dose. I am very interested in thoughts about or experiences with what is described in the bolded text in the previous sentence. I don't know what to make of that experience or whether and to what extent it should inform my dosage this time around. Nothing like that has ever happened to me before.
P.S. If numbers are easier than mg/kg, last time my dose was 600 mg, and I weighed about 155 lbs. This time, I'm considering doing about 720 mg, and I weigh about 168 lbs.
Long version:
Background:
I have done DXM maybe 6 times before, over the period of 9 years or so and have done a lot of research on it over the years. So I am reasonably knowledgeable and have a general sense of how the drug affects me, but I am by no means a regular user or an expert. I was getting bored of low-to-mid second plateau experiences, so the last time I did it (two years ago), I did about 8.53 mg/kg, which got me to the third plateau. I had mild CEVs and emotional flatness/sluggishness up to more than 24 hours later, but the effects had mostly died down (to the point where I could act normally around other people and walk without difficulty) by 17 hours after dosing. I had the expected dissociation, music euphoria, CEVs, thought loops, and robo-walking. When walking, I also had visual flanging -- where my vision went from reality to black every step I took, kind of like an old-fashioned, slow animation real. At one point, I was seeing things in twos or threes. I had two bizarre fantasies (that I can remember) where I would sort of cycle back and forth between reality (as distorted by DXM) and a sort of vaguely defined and malleable dissociated fantasy world.
Three other pieces of background info that may be relevant for giving advice:
1. Contrary to what is generally suggested, I always drinking a moderate amount (sometimes a heavier amount) before the trip and while I am waiting for the come-up. I am experienced with alcohol and pharmaceuticals but have never done any other hallucinogen, so DXM is the most unusual and bizarre drug experience I've had. As a result, I always have some anxiety, mixed with excitement, going into a trip. I find the alcohol calms me down. It probably prevents me from fully experiencing the lower plateaus as I come up, but I think it is worth it for higher doses because, other than the first time I did DXM, I generally don't have too much anxiety during the trip, which I think makes it less likely I'll have a bad trip. I am unwilling to go into the trip without having at least a few drinks (I have a fairly high alcohol tolerance).
2. Sometime well after the last trip, maybe 6-9 months later, I took Nyquil/Dayquil as directed for a cold (for recreational purposes, I don't use products that contain drugs other than DXM, so no need for the "don't be an idiot" warning). For some reason, even though I was taking the normal dose and had never had any recreational effects from a normal dose in the past, I had some recreational effects -- CEVs, nervous system arousal (stimulant effect), music euphoria, and mildly poor coordination walking. This freaked me out because I wasn't trying to get high, though the music euphoria was pretty incredible, synesthesic really.
3. I use Hbr capsules (don't suggest syrup -- not available), and they take a looooonng time to hit. Last time I didn't really feel anything noticeable until about five hours in. My peak was from about hours 7 to 12. This is not atypical.
The current situation:
OK, after that long preamble, here is the current situation. I want to have a similar experience to last time but slightly stronger. Even though my rate of use is less than once per year (I've gone as long as 5 or 6 years without doing DXM), in my admittedly limited experience, when I have a given effect at a certain dose, the effect of that same dose is much weaker if I repeat. Some of that may be that I am disappointed by not getting anything new out of the experience. But the last dose was about 50% more than the next-highest dose before that and it was third plateau (I have no desire to approach the fourth plateau). I intend to do it alone, as always, and it's important that I don't do anything to alert the other members of my household that I am doing DXM. I have the basement to myself and others rarely come down there, so I have privacy. I can probably get about 17 hours without another person trying to interact with me, which hopefully is enough. I don't have anything important to do the next day, but I will have to see the two other people in my house.
Dosage-wise, I have enough to go as high as about 9.45 mg/kg, but I'm wondering if I should do a bit less and, if so, how much less. I would appreciate any advice on dosage based on the experiences and goals I have described, including estimates of how much the effects would differ between this time and last time based on the dosage difference. One thing I've very interested in any experience or feedback on: What do I make of the fact that I got a more or less first plateau experience the last time I took the clinically recommended dose (a few doses appropriately spaced apart)? Does this mean my tolerance may have lowered considerably or should I dismiss it as a freak occurrence? I don't want to take a dose that ends up being a million times stronger than expected. Keep in mind that was two years ago.
Also, I always get those giant alien saucer eyes. Does anyone have a sense of how long those last (I don't remember) or likely will last for me (given the fact that DXM takes a long time to hit me), more specifically how long they will be noticeable to other people. In considering how much time it will take me to seem normal to other people, the saucer eyes seem like a relevant consideration. I do wear glasses, so that might make it a bit less obvious. Are the saucer eyes less obvious to other people than to the dumbfounded user looking in the mirror?
Thank you for your time.
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