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Lou Rolls

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I have an EZ test kit, and tested some Mollies (capsules). the powder turned immediately gray/black and looked like it was an ecstacy like substance. I was suspect of the pills because I had seen a report saying they were DXM. I trusted my test results. Well I was VERY wrong. It turned out to be DXM after all and messed me up for about 2 days after. I was scared to death considering I had already ingested MDMA and the combination can be deadly. The reason I know it is really DXM is because I had the other pill tested by a chemist using Mass Spec. The mass of DXM showed up and nothing else.
Perhaps it should be noted that testing DXM powder give an immediate color change and not "no change initially and then slow to gray". I was not aware that is was difficult to distinguish between DXM and MDMA. Anyone else have this problem?
 
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I have an EZ test kit, and tested some Mollies (capsules). the powder turned immediately gray/black and looked like it was an ecstacy like substance.
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No offence but grey indicates something else, dxm.
How much time until the sample turned black ??
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I was suspect of the pills because I had seen a report saying they were DXM. I trusted my test results. Well I was VERY wrong.
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It seems to me that this is more of an interpretation issue.
Have you ever tested an xtc like substance (mdma, mda, mdea)??
Did you see that kind of colorchange ??
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The reason I know it is really DXM is because I had the other pill tested by a chemist using Mass Spec. The mass of DXM showed up and nothing else.
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Your result already indicated DXM, I am really curious about the (preferably, exact) time it took to turn grey/black.
What is a Mass Spec ??
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Perhaps it should be noted that testing DXM powder give an immediate color change and not "no change initially and then slow to gray".
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Both dancesafe and we call it "smoke at first, then slowly to greyish/black"
This seems accurate....
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I was not aware that is was difficult to distinguish between DXM and MDMA. Anyone else have this problem?
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Well, this is a very important question/issue.
I mean, your experience sux of course but I have to say that darkpurple and black are (I think) quite different.
Hence my question, have you seen a reaction with an xtc like substance ??
If it really seems difficult for inexperienced people to distinguish between those two substances, this should be mentioned on our website (and Dancesafe and Greenparty)
However, this is the first time I hear that someone had a problem distinguishing between mdxx and dxm.
I would like to be informed about similar cases and see what we can do from our side.
If necessary, I will forward relevant information also to dancesafe so they can take appropriate action as well.
I would also like to know from people who have no problems distinguishing between mdxx and dxm. Did you also think it was difficult to distinguish ??
Well, all relevant info is welcome.
aj
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Hey, AJ, thanks for the reply. This is the guy who has been ordering so many test kits recently! Yes, I have tested MDxx before and gotten both purple and black results. I paid more attention to the fact that there is not supposed to be a color change at all at first, and this changed immediately (as soon as it hit the liquid). Also there was no smoke. The test kit I received had no color indication chart for DXM and the gray color did match a part of the color for MDxx.
Perhaps this was due to the fact that it was powder and not pressed into a pill.
Mass Spec. is short for Mass Spectrum. (also GCMS) The molecular mass of DXM is 271 Da. That is the only mass peak that could be identified (no peaks for any MDxx).
In the future I will be more observant, and if any doubt exists, I will have it analyzed further. I do suggest that you update the instructions that come with the test kit to include DXM and the test results obtained from it.
This was the first pill I tested, so I was not very experienced yet. I later tested others that were true MDMA. Again, I will be more observant in the future.
 
Lou Rolls-- Since you are now more experienced with testing real MD**, what can you say about the differences between the test results for real MD** and the DXM you first tested. In otherwords, if you tested for DXM now, would you be able to recognize it ? How ?
 
when dmx shows up through testing, it smokes before turning black, this is how you know it is dmx!!! be careful, don't take your eyes off it for a second, its pretty quick!!
 
I would have to say I would look at the final color. The DXM powder turned color instantly, and I thought it should take some time. I concentrated more on the time and not on the color. That was my big mistake. The MDMA substances turned a purple color. So black/purple is different from black/gray. I never saw any smoke from the actual reaction with the powder. A problem is that sulfuric acid (an ingredient in the test kits) can smoke on its own. Especially when the air is humid (it is always humid here). So the reagent itself sometimes smokes without anything else present but the air. So it was difficult to see if the reaction was actually smoking or not.
So all this said, look at the final color of the reagent. Purple is X or the like. Gray or Black is DXM. Fortunately I have access to further analysis too and I will certainly take advantage of that in the future!
 
I have had two different pills turn black with no purple present--They were both really good pills, no DXM.
AJ---Can you say a little more about this DXM testing mystery ?
 
Black = MDMA.
Gray = DXM.
AJ: Maybe its worth making a better colour chart and including the URL with the testing kit. (slip of photocopied paper etc.)
Jase.
 
The problem is that these were printed before DXM was discovered....
For the poster above :
It is a difficult issue.
However, there is definitely a difference in color.
Black purple based and black greyish based.
Once you've seen it, you know the difference but I definitely agree that it could be confusing, especially for inexperienced users (or better "testers")
aj
 
Okay, I did a test on both a good pill and the bad one again. I forgot a SMALL detail when I was testing them. I am a bit color blind when it comes to blue and black (yeah I was the guy with one blue and one black sock on at school). The colors of the two really looked almost identical to me. However, this time I had friends present and they could tell the difference between the two. The DXM did however turn black. but it did turn grey first and no sign of purple. So it is not your test kit, it is me! I will be sure to have someone else present when I do the test in the future! Some one without color blindness!
 
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