DXM and... Prozac!

[usedapples]

So after a while of research, I've come across people who take anti-depressive medicines who have done DXM. Some have gone through SS, others haven't.

I am "on" Prozac-- 20mg. I take it when needed, usually every other day or every other two days. However, I haven't taken it since Wednesday. It's Sunday now.

Since I literally cannot find any other kind of psychedelic where I live (one of my friend's was supposed to get shrooms from her ex but he was acting shady as hell-- and I don't really know anyone else or how I'd even go about finding someone who sells psychedelics) I decided I wanted to try DXM. I'm not expecting something like shrooms or lsd or anything, but I've heard it's a pretty good dissociative.

Would about 300mg be alright to take considering how long it's been since I've taken Prozac? Or should I wait longer/take a lower dosage?

 

[Solipsis]

Prozac takes unusually long to metabolize / clear the body especially the main metabolite. It takes weeks to reach a steady state if you start on it, and must be tapered gradually when you come off it and also takes a long while. Also, SSRI's like Prozac don't just produce side effects but can be really problematic during those coming up and coming down periods. Especially then, the side effects can be really serious. Like suicide serious.

Since it's unsafe to combine with DXM and can't have half of the prozac still lingering in your body, you can't realistically take a break from it just to trip.

What's just as important: it is really bad for the therapeutic effect of something like Prozac to just start and stop taking, you have to be stabilized (that steady state of blood concentration). You really mustn't play with it, if you cannot take it normally you probably shouldn't be on it. And if you can afford to mess with it, it's doubtful that you even need it in the first place.
If you do need it, you need to ask yourself if it's safe for your mental health to trip anyway.

FWIW, I don't think DXM is a good drug. It's notorious for being quite disliked by a good portion of people, even besides the question whether you like dissociatives (which even for the broader group of hallucinogens, is not for everybody).
It has a messy metabolism and effect profile, possibly part of it's action is why it depends so much on body chemistry. (Although ketamine is also complex in action but better tolerated).

Sucks that you can't find anything but I'd think of another plan if I were you, or grow your own mushrooms.

Although mushrooms are not so good to take with SSRI's, at least it isn't life threateningly dangerous.

 

[usedapples]

How would I go about growing my own shrooms? I'd honestly prefer to do that instead. I've heard DXM is very mixed with reviews, I have two different friends who took it, one loved it and the other wasn't sure what was so great about it.

As for the Prozac, I used to be on it heavily when I was younger. I've honestly been trying to wing off it, since I don't feel like I'm in big need of it. It has really helped though, at least throughout high school.

 

[Solipsis]

Prozac is prescribed way too easily and is not necessarily that much more effective than placebo. Pharmaceutical companies are manipulating a lot of the publicity of studies to hide those facts. But yeah, plenty of people basically become dependent on it, often prescribed by a GP no less. I'd always try to taper if you don't have heavy clinical depression - better than fucking around with going off the meds haphazardly, or staying on it indefinitely, etc. Anyway, in proper discussion with a therapist of course - just don't get patronized.

Not saying you couldn't use help in high school though, but the proper kind of attention to your issues could have led to a different solution or treatment.

Growing mushrooms, well - depends on where you live... if where you live mycelium is not banned you can order a grow kit which is very easy but expensive. Does give you a nice batch if it goes well, which you must dry to preserve.

The next option is more work but less expensive and that is to buy pre-sterilized substrate jars - substrate is the food the fungus eats. You have to also order a spore syringe, and in a sterile way (do a lot of homework on sterile procedures), you inject the spores into the jars. Like planting the seed, the fungus then starts to grow and builds the mycelium.

When a mycelium is ready, like from a grow kit or if you did it yourself - you put it in a growing chamber which can be something like a customized terrarium, although I use something based on a big tupperware box (shotgun fruiting chamber).
For starters, the version of a fruiting chamber often used is a filter bag. Also a closed environment but much smaller. More stealthy than a big plastic or glass box though.

Hardest is to do everything yourself, you'd have to mix substrate and sterilize jars of it in a pressure cooker. Investment to get the materials, but if you have the materials, after that it's relatively cheap to keep growing.

Best thing you can do is visit the website The Shroomery and read a lot of 'teks' which are like recipes. For example the "PF tek" is a classic and often suggested for beginners. Read various interpretations on how to do that tek by searching the web for it, so that you understand what is done but also why it's done that way. The less homework you do, the more probable it is that something goes wrong, often by not working clean enough.

 

[usedapples]

One of the reasons I was prescribed Prozac was because my mother was on it a while back, and it worked well for her. She recently started it again and her anxiety has gone down a lot. My doctor had recommended that I wing myself off it (I mean it gives me no side effects when I take it, but of course I'm not sure what would happen if I just stopped)

I've been to that site before-- I've looked at the PF Tek guide under the Getting Started and there's videos, older guides, etc, but none of them load for me.

Edit : Haha, I used a different computer-- a few of the things load now, but some are just met with an error;;

 

[Deleted member 290563]

there was a kid on this forum that died recently from combining DXM with an antidepressant similar to prozac, his was venlaxafine i think.

i would listen to solopsis more than any medical doctor. several of the mods on this forum are vastly more knowledgeable about drug pharmacology than any psychiatrist or doctor

 

[Mycophile]

Yeah, it's a very bad idea to combine SSRIs with DXM, or else I'd already have done it myself since I am on Lexapro.

I also VERY much want to grow shrooms and will eventually when circumstances permit.

I don't know much about science but people seem to say if you are willing to put in the time and work you can do it and I'd LOVE to have a lifetime supply of shrooms to just take when I want LOL.

Oh, and @usedapples:

You can't "take Prozac as needed" as you said.

SSRIs don't work that way, that's like what you'd do with benzos or something shorter acting.

SSRIs like Prozac and Lexapro (I've been on both, would kind of like off to be honest but I got depressed last time I tried...maybe just withdrawal? who knows...)....

BUT yeah, with SSRIs, they take 2-4 weeks or even more to build up in your system to work and then a LONG time of abstaining, sometimes months, to get out of your system.

So skipping days will do nothing for you if you've taken them long enough, as I assume you have, that you have a high level in your system.

You are still going to be "on" the Prozac for weeks if not MONTHS after your last dose, so not only can you not just go a little while without and taking something like DXM, but like I said, it's in your head that you are "taking them as needed".

You can't just feel depressed, pop a prozac and feel better, that's not how it works.

You would feel better cause it was in your system cause you took it for weeks, and it's still in your system on the days you don't take it, and you can skip several days most likely and not even notice more depression, though your mileage may vary.