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Drugs opened up a window of perception that was better off closed

1ll0gic said:
It's not news that drugs and cognition go hand-in-hand. Drug use has lead me to different realms of my mind that I never thought existed. Through my journey of drug use thus far, my perception of life, and everything that life consists of, has been greatly altered. My mind is at a higher level of awareness and consciousness than before. Many people embrace drugs because it helps them reach a higher level of spirituality, a new view on life that can only be reached through drug use. However, I believe that ignorance is sometimes truly bliss. I was better off to not have opened up that window, because not everything is bright and radiant on the other side, and now I forever won't be able to close it even if I stopped using drugs.

Thoughts?
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im running into the same type of thing now, most drug trips, probably because of my pessimistic nature have revealed a whole lot of negativity in myself and everyone else, idk maybe the problem is that im more open to negative emotions and thoughts than positive ones and either deeply thinking, or doing drugs really lets me see clearly how i think subconciously, idk its tough to be positive not gonna lie, but should i not think because i dont think positively? i dont think that would be wise, so maybe its the same in your case?
 
Interesting question!
I currently am going through the same thing right now.
Everybody seems so fake to me. Like I can see right through their mask. At first I was so irritated, and continue to do so at times, but over time I feel like I am able to control my response....sometimes I even wait till I'm alone then react mostly by either laughing about it or chewing them out to myself-but I do not suppress it because I'm finding out if I do suppress it I tend to act out on it unknowingly until after the fact.
I am also learning that too much psyches in too little time without proper integration leads to more confusion, can work against you if not careful.
I feel I need to take this new found of awareness with a grain of salt, as well as everything else.
I can see depression making things especially worse as everything is never alright no matter what.
I try and concentrate my energy on myself and the things that upset me - because it is way too easy getting caught up thinking about others than yourself. It is so easy to see everybody elses problems/imperfections but we are all oblivious to our own. We don't want to think about our own problems, which is why we tend to bury them within ourself. Usually what upsets you in someone else is something you can't stand within yourself!
I am comfortable with the idea of knowing what I know now, before I was pretty uneasy about it. Helps to allow a lot of time in between trips, the more time the better. I certainly wouldn't want to be in the same boat as I was before my psyche use thats for sure!
 
I have two points to make:

1. The knowledge that can be "discovered" with psychedelic drugs is completely impartial to human thought. It is simply knowledge. The human mind is what creates duality, and assigns labels such as positive or negative to certain ideas/truths/actions. Drug use certainly opens the mind to a broader spectrum of knowledge (not neccesarily empirical knowledge though...), but it doesn't mean that our minds can accept this knowledge in an easier way. Pain and sufferring and destruction are painful to any mind who lives an "examined life". And because of our primate tendency to detect threats above non-threats, the negative information is processed a lot quicker and exagerrated.

If you use drugs to attain knowledge (or if it just happens without your intent) you need to be able to examine that knowledge in an objective way. The shallowness of humans does not require the personal cognition that some may give it; neither does the beauty, wisdom, hatreds, petty squables. These things- that we label as good or bad- have no need to personally effect you. They just require acknowledgement.

All actions we partake in or witness can be labelled as good/evil, black/white etc. but reality isn't as starkly divided as that. Everything is on a 360 degree continuum, and WE choose where any one action/throught/word/etc. sits on that continuum.

Instead of trying to close the door, or wish you hadn't opened it, just accept that you have and try and sink deeper into the bliss of existence. The best news I ever heard was this: "There is nothing bad, nor good, in the world..." and it was my own brain telling me. :)


2. I think a lot of psychedelic/drug users don't follow up the influx of knowledge or heightened awareness of drugs. On a trip, your mind violates the boundaries of perception and is an open vessel for odd, non-linear thoughts. Once your sober again, your typically dual mind will divide this knowledge into a more easily digestible format; ie. dual, opposing meanings.

The best way to overcome this division is to acknowledge it as a non-truth, and actively continue to see past it to the actual true-Truth. I use meditation, drumming and some occult techniques to keep my mind aware and avoid the trap of duality.
 
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The door I think drugs open is a door called 'subjectivity' -- with LSD, one has experienced something that was very, very real to them and unreal to everyone else, that they can't describe or encompass in words at all. Makes sense that this would bring about a sense of insecurity, pull the rug out from under one's assumptions that experience is shared (shareable), eh?

And once the door is open, it tends to stubbornly refuse to be closed again. The invitation to self-enquiry has arisen. One can try to cover it up, forget the fact that they have experienced something essentially unshareable and that this may reflect on the nature of all experiencing. But I don't think this door can be closed -- only walked through all the way, when the time is right.
 
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I had this exact conversation with a counsellor the other day. I was saying a lot of my lsd and other psychadelic use had led me to feel a bit too aware. I said the same as you I preferred the ignorance.

Like you said, I feel a lot of my experimentation with various research chemicals and psychadelics was part of a spiritual journey I was on without even knowing I was on it. I am the way I am now, I have to accept that. If I think positively I prefer the awareness, so much of the crap in world is caused by sick people in power and ignorance.

I do believe that over the last 9 months of being clean a lot of the negative stuff I was experiencing was just intensified anxiety from coming off all the drugs I was on. It has calmed down dramatically and through a spiritual recovery program I am beginning to become quite comfortable with myself and accept it.
 
^^ Well said (re: in particular the crap in the world happening through ignorance and unawareness)... glad to hear this.
 
oliphill said:
I had this exact conversation with a counsellor the other day. I was saying a lot of my lsd and other psychadelic use had led me to feel a bit too aware. I said the same as you I preferred the ignorance.
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^^^^^^

Ive been there also where I was too aware of my faults or mistakes I have done & the trip got me looking at the negative effects. Time heals open wounds, whether psychologically or physchically, but after dosing on LSD, it seems we tend to lose our innocence, or find it in some cases.
 
Everyone experiences disillusionment at some point in their lives, I think. Perhaps it's only the lucky ones who experience it totally. Yep... lucky.

The lucky ones are cast totally on their own resources, without help and without hope. Only there can one discover that neither were ever actually necessary. "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for they shall see God".
 
I've found that drugs are a Pandora's box in much the same way that a knife itself is not evil and can be used for despicable purposes or to save lives and exist. With regards to rounding the dark side of the moon or being exposed to the light of the sun, the sum of all experience is neutral, yet the experience of the highs and lows provides an integral sum as 'absolute' value.
drugs and their experiences provided and incident thoughts are ingrained into the time continuum of the entity or idea of self.
While an astronauts return to earth may bring comfort or boredom, so will drugs. The biblical parable of Adam and Eve equates true paradise with innocence, and 'ignorance is bliss.'When they ate from the tree of Knowledge concerning good and evil they became aware of the existences of a parallel reality involving the superposition of reality as we now know it. Good and Evil had been born. In much the same way, one's involvement with drugs doesn't go anywhere but rather exposes the reality which has been there the entire time.

Life is then what you make it, and Knowing what you now Know, try to change your external reality with keeping you internal integrity.
 
as billy corgan sang in : this time

for every chemical / you trade a piece of your soul

the flip side is that you realize you have a soul. fair trade IMO
 
So what's the big, terrible window of perception?

Damn, it's simple. Boil things on the stove for a few weeks and it all boils down to simplicity.

"I'm in here, looking out through my own eyes, not out there in the world like everyone else seems to be".

*GASP* ... gaah.

So is everyone else.

"In here, looking out through their own eyes".

Peace...
 
I feel that every drug besides maybe weed, has the possibility or even likelihood if abusing this hard drug of making you think about a truth. This truth could have been very positive if you didn't abuse the drug first so much but since you did you'll now view it from a negative perspective and it will cause you pain/stress until you learn enough from sober moments to put this truth in the spot you decide on finally. Every truth is naturally very positive, it's only true lies/someone who believes the lie fully, telling another, that cause pain. Just accept what you have learned for what it is but don't believe if you don't need to, accept it for long enough and eventually your view on it will change for the positive.

Also I believe weed might be the only drug you can consistently gain only positive experiences from, whereas every other type of drug brings along at least a small amount of negativity. Even if it's just a slight craving that is still the drug enslaving your mind, forcing you to spend time, effort, and even stress worrying/thinking about it. I say weed only from the fact that I read that study that said a cannabinoid anandamide is released from exercising. When I've exercised I feel very social, open, and loving of everything.
 
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ziggo said:
I feel that every drug besides maybe weed, has the possibility or even likelihood if abusing this hard drug of making you think about a truth. This truth could have been very positive if you didn't abuse the drug first so much but since you did you'll now view it from a negative perspective and it will cause you pain/stress until you learn enough from sober moments to put this truth in the spot you decide on finally. Every truth is naturally very positive, it's only true lies/someone who believes the lie fully, telling another, that cause pain. Just accept what you have learned for what it is but don't believe if you don't need to, accept it for long enough and eventually your view on it will change for the positive.
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Truth isn't positive or negative, just true. Undeniable, unless denial is a personal project.

Truth is, however, negative to the ego, and falsehood is positive to it.

That presents a problem, as one cannot search for truth. There's no such thing -- one can only search for falsehood.

The end of the game is the end of the search. Truth remains true and undeniable, as always. You just aren't torturing yourself with falsehood.

Peace...
 
I believe the truth is only not incredibly positive for you because you either don't understand it as I do, or you have learned of it too soon and with an altered view on the reality of it. The way you seem to talk about it to me indicates that you are grasping at ways to explain it away. I have only experienced more happiness then ever in my life, after since realizing love is the reason the universe expanded in the first place. Love is so positive it will force you to recognize it eventually. <3
 
ziggo said:
I believe the truth is only not incredibly positive for you because you either don't understand it as I do, or you have learned of it too soon and with an altered view on the reality of it.
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It's not incredibly positive here, because something incredibly negative would have to be floating around nearby, waiting to pounce.

Not only can you NOT have the positives without the negatives, but they're simultaneously. They're both around at the same time, on different imaginary sides of the self/other coin.

The sides are imaginary because of the simultaneity. If you notice that, you've "got it". And you'll get done with seeking the positives, because they bring the negatives with them every time. What have you gained? Two-sidedness. Two-faced reality. Bleh.

Peace...
 
Actually negative energy will always be weaker then positive energy, and right in the middle is neutrality which is a lack of either. Negative energy brings pain but only if you view it that way, at best even the most negative perceived thought can be neutral and not cause you any pain. The pain could take the form of just having to think about the negative thought, taking up your time and stress. It's very possible to never have to experience pain or negativity as negative EVER AGAIN. I'm proof and I keep getting more and more positive everyday and with it I gain more average happiness in every moment. The energy level of unconditional love just keeps increasing BEYOND MEASURE. <3
 
ziggo said:
The energy level of unconditional love just keeps increasing BEYOND MEASURE. <3
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Yes -- all the ego can think about is more, more, MORE.

"What actually is", is never enough for it.

Unfortunately, that's what it's stuck with, no matter how hard it tries.

Because reality is always reality, and dreams are always illusions.

Peace...
 
There is a certain window of time you must go through between trips of any kind. Especially psychologically significant trips, like breakthroughs and such. Not only for your PHYSICAL health but also your PSYCHOLOGICAL health too. Let me explain:

My last LSD trip was over 6 months ago. Before that? About a week. And so on. In 6 months I think I tripped like 6 or 7 times. Most would say this isn't bad, but as I kept doing it and doing it, my experiences became less and less significant. I essentiallly lost the magic. However, I will never forget the lessons my first trip gave me. I was with an old friend I secretly grew to dislike a lot over the years, and an acid trip with him and several other people later, everyone else felt the same. You had to be there to grasp the significance of that night, but I learned a whole hell of a lot about myself and about how I relate myself to others. I still remember that trip like it was yesterday and I have 2 things I attribute to that:

1) First trip (Duh)
2) I gave myself about 3 months before I tripped again. I gave myself a good long period of sobriety to reflect on my experience.

My advice to you my friends with these problems would be to take time and reflects on your awesome experiences with LSD and don't do it again until you just know you are ready. I woke up the other morning and decided I am ready for another trip, because I am ready to open my mind and have a psychedelic experience with all of my previous trips and the last 6 months of sobriety and reflection to add to it
 
The thing is the more time you have in between trips the more new life experiences you have to reflect on and form your trip.

It makes the trip more special and in turn your life FEELS more special, important, and profound afterwards.
 
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