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Drugs/meds safety question

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Hi there

I take 60 mg Cymbalta and 2 mg Klonopin as needed for my anxiety issues.

I want to try some opiate since I have never tried them. My first choice is codeine, is 60 mg a good starting dose and also how does it compare to other opiates.

My main question is this drug/med combo safe?

Thanks.
 
I found this link lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiate_comparison

Because some of these compounds (for example, codeine, but not morphine) are prodrugs, differences amongst people in their liver enzymes (such as the cytochrome P450 enzyme CYP2D6) may result in a significantly altered drug effect


But now I read this

Pharmacokinetics

Duloxetine has an elimination half-life of about 12 hours (range 8 to 17 hours) and its pharmacokinetics are dose proportional over the therapeutic range. Steady-state is usually achieved after 3 days.

Elimination of duloxetine is mainly through hepatic metabolism involving two P450 isozymes, CYP2D6 and CYP1A2.

Does this matter?

Would Buprenorphine be a better choice? Which is better for recreational use?
 
Bump....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codeine
Pharmacokinetics

The conversion of codeine to morphine occurs in the liver and is catalysed by the cytochrome P450 enzyme CYP2D6. CYP3A4 produces norcodeine and UGT2B7 conjugates codeine, norcodeine, and morphine to the corresponding 3- and 6- glucuronides. Approximately 6–10% of the Caucasian population, 2% of Asians, and 1% of Arabs[9] are "poor metabolizers"; they have little CYP2D6, and codeine is less effective for analgesia in these patients (Rossi, 2004). Srinivasan, Wielbo and Tebbett speculate that codeine-6-glucuronide is responsible for a large percentage of the analgesia of codeine, and, thus, these patients should experience some analgesia.[3] Many of the adverse effects will still be experienced in poor metabolizers. Conversely, 0.5-2% of the population are "extensive metabolizers"; multiple copies of the gene for 2D6 produce high levels of CYP2D6 and will metabolize drugs through that pathway more quickly than others.

Some medications are CYP2D6 inhibitors and reduce or even completely block the conversion of codeine to morphine. The most well-known of these are two of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, paroxetine (Paxil) and fluoxetine (Prozac) as well as the antihistamine diphenhydramine and the antidepressant, buproprion (Wellbutrin, also known as Zyban). Other drugs, such as rifampicin and dexamethasone, induce CYP450 isozymes and thus increase the conversion rate.

While a CYP2D6 extensive metaboliser (EM) needs higher doses of drugs metabolized by CYP2D6 to maintain sufficient plasma levels for therapeutic effect and a poor metaboliser (PM) may suffer from drug toxicity due to slow drug clearance and excessive plasma concentration, prodrugs like codeine have the opposite effect. Thus an EM may have adverse effects from a rapid buildup of codeine metabolites while a PM may get little or no pain relief. CYP2D6 is dysfunctional in 7% of white and black Americans, resulting in reduced metabolism of codeine. Other individuals may have two or more copies of the CYP2D6 gene, resulting in rapid metabolism of the target drug. CYP2D6 metabolizes and activates codeine into morphine, which then undergoes glucuronidation. Life-threatening intoxication, including respiratory depression requiring intubation, can develop over a matter of days in patients who have multiple functional alleles of CYP2D6, resulting in ultra-rapid metabolism of opioids such as codeine into morphine.[10][11][12]

The active metabolites of codeine, notably morphine, exert their effects by binding to and activating the μ-opioid receptor.

Can I take Cymbalta with Codeine? Anyone?
 
I would recommend against taking an opiate along with your Klonopin. Unless you have a high benzo tollerance AND opiate tollerance, then the two together could cause respritory depression. Meaning you could stop breathing.
 
if you take the kpin often, then you would be fine on it and 60mg of codeine. though it is pretty small, 60mg is a great starting dose. imo, less is more when it comes to codeine. and, imo, it goes great with benzos. but i am assuming you are very kpin familiar, maybe even tolerant. if that is not the case, ignore what i am saying.

i doubt there is any problem taking codeine with cymbalta. you would not have to do much google or bluelight searching to confirm this.

in the future, you should edit your original post instead of making multiple posts in a row. and no one likes it when you bump your own thread.
 
60mg codeine is a tiny dose... i would take 300mg at least for a first time (thats 30mg morphine) and take an anti-histamine 30 minutes prior coz codeine tends to make you really itchy

and i'm pretty sure theres no negative interactions with your meds and codeine
 
Opiates in general no. Unless you have great self control. I would recomend against ever getting into them to start with.. It is a dangerous slippery slope.
 
IMHO, 60-100mg is the perfect starting dose. And I'm still not of the mind set that it would be safe with the Klonopin.
 
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