Drugs like LSD and Ecstasy 'could help terminally ill'

enoughorangejuice? said:
L would be better for people who aren't terminally ill but may have a permenant disorder that they need to live and cope with. MDMA would be perfect for terminally ill patients, and i mean PERFECT>
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For the terminally ill, yes, an MDMA experience would be a great teacher for them. But being on your deathbed is another thing. I don't think anything really mind altering would be beneficial, for me at least - it'd be too sensitive a time for such ups and downs. Imagine having a comedown on the last hours of your life! :\
 
jozza said:
For the terminally ill, yes, an MDMA experience would be a great teacher for them. But being on your deathbed is another thing. I don't think anything really mind altering would be beneficial, for me at least - it'd be too sensitive a time for such ups and downs. Imagine having a comedown on the last hours of your life! :\
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Dying itself is quite a mind altering thing,I get your point...
 
200 mics of LSD, given to a person who has never (presumably) tripped before, who is faced with imminent death.

WTF

I dunno about you guys, but when I first started with LSD, i took far less than i do now, and if there was a negative vibe around, i could feel it directly effect the direction of the trip, lucky enough i knew to get away from bad vibes etc.

I can see this being a disaster......

The 20 mics experiments will be interesting though.
 
The whole giving psychedelics to the termanilly ill doesn't sound to me ...
(From other info' I've read about it in Switzerland and I think maybe that group that is trying to get weed relegalised and get psyche's relagalised for the terminally ill, PTSD and rape victim in the USA, MAP something, I think their name is?) ... as though they get given the psychedelic on their death bed. But more so a few weeks/months before they die in a kind of counselling session.

Basically so they don't waste what precious little time they have left ending up depressed and not doing things with their family and friends that they want to do.


As for death bed I think a Brompton Cocktail i.e. Alcohol (Not sure on the %, but strong, like Brandy or Gin), Morphine or Diamorphine and Cocaine. This opiate's for the pain and the coke and booze help stimulate the paitient so they talk to their loved ones and seem happy. However if you have coke and alcohol your liver metabolises it into cocaethylene, which is a stronger, physically addictive (Where coke is only psychologically addictive) and dangerous stimulant. But in this situation it wouldn't matter.

I do think though maybe swapping the coke or even both the coke and booze/cocaethylene for just morphine/diamorphine and MDMA would be better. As the person would probably be more euphoric and talkative, easing their anxiety and their family's as they lay dying!
 
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Salvia would most likely do no good for terminally ill patients. I believe DMT, DPT, 4-HO-DMT (psilocin), and possibly LSD could be good helpers. I would say 5-MEO-DMT but that's just way too much...lol.

Didn't they do a study where they gave DPT to terminally ill patients, and it helped them? If someone has a link to this study, throw it out.

What country is this study (the 200mcg one) being done in?

I definitely don't think psychs should be given to all the terminally ill. But ones who understand the effects and want to try it to see if it helps, or especially who has had some psychedelic experiences in their background. Before dosing them, EVERYTHING should be explained in detail to them about what to expect.
 
In some ways LSD might be able to work like that to, since it has the ability to alter ones mindset enough to change there outlook on things. But in ways LSD could just trigger a physcotic depressed reaction and leave one in a sad state. The epiphany of bad trips .
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In the days I'm speaking of the shit was a gamble. granted 98% of the time there was no problems.

Sometimes it doesn't seem as pleasant for some reason. Maybe dose related. I really have no idea the mics in what we we getting. Some of it you had to split hits or who knows.

It's not that I'm against LSD per say. it's just that my experience has lead me to believe that is not what I want on my deathbed. To excitatory for me. I think I would prefer a more calm trance like situation rather than hallucinating uncontrolable. I realize a lower dose may not have this drastic a manifestation but I'm not willing to experiment with it any longer.

I think I mentioned earlier that my choice would be an IV opiate of some sort. A really strong one. Through in some benzos and all zoned out.
 
edarrin said:
I think I mentioned earlier that my choice would be an IV opiate of some sort. A really strong one. Through in some benzos and all zoned out.
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that would help you cope with it for the time you are high. once you are sober again you start to worry the fuck out about dying. tripping your ass off then realizing that life is a cycle and its no big deal to die is something totally different than forgetting/not worrying about dying for a short amount of time
 
I think If they actually told them some facts and educated them on about what is going to happen, and reassured them they were completely safe, I see this being very helpful.
You gotta remember there not just being like here eat this, they gunna give them some basic outlines etc.

Now If only we found a medical reasons for 2c-x's :]
 
im all for anything that helps people who are terminally ill, and it seems almost intuitive that psychoactive drugs could helps people to come to terms with their illness.
we all know how usefull even 'soft' drugs like marijuana are for allowing us to gain a different perspective ;)
 
That's pretty crazy. I can totally see how it could work though, so I agree with it.
It's definitely a different way about going to help the terminally ill, but hey, if it works, it works.

<3
 
I think psychedelics can be used for the terminal ill but not everyone and I don’t know about 200ug. I seam to be a lightweight in my group of friends who do LSD but I won’t do over 150ug (usually 100) outside my house around anyone other than my few closest friends.

Anyways MDMA is great for the terminally ill. SWIM has been giving MDMA to the terminally ill and rape victims for a couple years. This person has given over 250 street pills which were always tested by a couple people to make sure they weren’t to speedy or anything other than a good MDMA pill. They now use pure MDMA powder in capsules dosed to each person after finally sourcing it. Out of the 250+ pills they have given to the terminal they have only had one person that said they didn’t like it or benefit. The people know they are getting something to help them cope with there death but assume it is a herb or something allot more mild.

I recently turned them onto psychedelics and ketamine to try for there “research”. They have/or will start testing ketamine, LSD, DMT, 2c-t-21, 2c-c, CP 55,940, and I’m probably missing something on a couple terminal patients that have experience with the chemicals from when they were younger. They will for sure start using ketamine after figuring out the best way to work with it.

Isn’t it said that DMT is what causes near death experiences? And probably the last thing you see before you die completely? If that’s true I would definitely want to play with DMT a little before I died. Anything to help me prepare for death and not have a bad trip when I die. If I got to trip on DMT voluntarily before I died then I could accept it allot easier.

Anyways if it were me I don’t think I’d care to do psychedelics on my death bed but MDMA I would.
 
LSD is an overall medicine. It cures physical ailments as well as psychological, spiritual, and emotional. Entheogens are the ultimate healers as well as teachers. I just can not understand why western medicine has demonized these wonderful tools.
 
E-llusion said:
36 healthy volunteers aged 24 to 64 were given psilocybin then observed in the laboratory.

When they were interviewed again 14 months later 58 per cent rated the experience among the five most personally meaningful of their lives and 64 per cent said it had increased their well-being.
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LOL. dude when people try to get me to volunteer for shit it sucks, like community work or some shit but THIS.

Now THIS I'd be the one campin out front the place before they open like a concert or superbowl shit

volunteer lol what a lucky group of mother fuckers. The should have asked what percent would be willing to take them again???
 
For those who are concerned about the possibilities of a bad trip on one's deathbed after being administered a psychedelic seem to be coming at this from a perception that the person would be alone to make the journey. The whole point of these programs is that the drug is administered with careful, supportive guidance for these individuals by those who have a specific understanding of what is going on. These trials would never--or should never--have been approved otherwise.

I'm all for psychedelic treatment of terminally-ill patients or those with a chronic, life-altering condition. Granted, even in the most controlled environments people can experience adverse reactions, but with the care, compassion, and preparation up to the trip these bad reactions would be reduced compared to an un-guided voyage into psychedelics.
 
Also, 'bad trip' or 'difficult trip?' Dealing with one's own mortality comes up often enough in the psychedelic experience anyway, even if one is not on one's deathbed! A 'difficult trip' it might very well be, but ultimately a productive one. A 'bad trip' is an unproductive, psychotic freakout, for the most part this is easily avoided by set & setting and particularly by appropriate preparation. These aren't kids in high school dosing out behind the school and then trying not to get caught by mom & dad, these are people who are taking this VERY seriously as something to help them existentially/spiritually/what have you ... a 'bad trip' is not so likely.
 
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