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Drugs for healing trauma

Ayahuasca... too heavy for me, and too dark.
People react differently to the same drugs, but if anything, all my ayahuasca experiences have been "too wonderfully bright".

I didn't know what to expect the first time, and it totally cleared the slate of 10 years of depression overnight.
There was not a hint of "darkness" during the whole experience.

It may not work the same for you, but it's a shame to reject the option on an assumption.
 
For me it really depended. When I'd just left my childhood home (where I was pretty traumatised) to live independently and I was a mess, I took LSD and ketamine (separately) a bunch of times. The first few times it was fun, then towards the end it was hellish experience and made things worse for a while after the trips.

I took a break of a few years to be completely sober, where I did things like therapy and working with emotions, getting my sleep pattern sorted, taking my hypervigilince down, trying to develop social networks and trying to find some kind of personal meaning in all of the shit. I started taking shrooms, really carefully and occasionally, again, and they've been an absolutely wonderful positive experience, I think they've helped me out of a bit of a rut where trauma has played a role.

When I was in the midst of trauma hell psychedelics were hell too. Now that trauma is more woven into the fabric of who I am, psychedelics have treated me wonderfully. So I don't know, maybe it depends on where you are with everything. Psychedelics might assist the healing/surviving process for some during the worst of it though, my experience won't be everyone's.

We're in a similar boat. Aside from opiates (which were medically needed), I have been stone cold sober for 3+ years now. I haven't even touched cannabis. It has been necessary for figuring a lot of my life out. But now, I feel very stuck, stagnant, and concrete... and that in of itself is becoming traumatic.

Seems like mushrooms are my best bet right now.

From a whopper of a mr peabody thread:


https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/psychedelic-pharmacology.854293/

Curious little fact, isn't it? Not sure whether it's that relevant, but plenty of people swear by ayahuasca for healing.

I'm personally not that keen on the whole idea behind the dark and heavy flood doses either. But I've heard of successful microdosing on this front as well.

That would explain why ketamine is not doing the trick for me right now. Thanks for this info. I wouldn't be surprised if I have brain damage from all the shit I've been through in the past 5 years.

I wonder if combing psilocybin with other mushrooms like lion's mane and turkey tail would help with neurogenesis.

People react differently to the same drugs, but if anything, all my ayahuasca experiences have been "too wonderfully bright".

I didn't know what to expect the first time, and it totally cleared the slate of 10 years of depression overnight.
There was not a hint of "darkness" during the whole experience.

It may not work the same for you, but it's a shame to reject the option on an assumption.

Aya was really hard on my system and my digestive tract. The body load was also terrifying. It produced a death-like experience that I don't care to repeat. I have been through so much intensity in the past 5 years that I need gentle now. Even intense "good" is too much for me.

I have also seen my fair share of repeat ayahuasca users over the years in my clinic and their bodies are a wreck.
 
I'm going to be trying ayahuasca soon to hopefully get some of the "light" effects. I do shadow work on my own, but I've hit a wall and need an iron fist to get through to the other side. The body load can be rough from what I hear, but I've started dieta already and will try to be as pure as I can be when I take it. I hear that helps minimize some of the symptoms. I expect to purge though...
 
DMT for an esoteric cleansing.

MPT or 4-HO-MPT for a complete release of tension.

Psilocybin mushrooms for a life re-evaluation.

4-HO-MET for feeling young playfully.

4-HO-MiPT for feeling young socially.

LSD for finding my true self.

2C-C for internal communication.

2C-E for releasing cathartic emotions.

MDMA for learning to be social.

Nitrous oxide for understanding my potential.

Memantine for weeklong brainstorming sessions.

2'-Oxo-PCE for flattening inhibitions.

Methoxetamine for making positive memories.

Cannabis for facing the darkness head on.

Salvia for learning to let go.

Some observations from my travels.
 
Opiates at least when your high on them I feel like in have super human concentration
 
What kinds of body damages did you notice?

Mostly gut damage from high doses or frequent repeat doses. Gut flora problems too. Also, something about ayahuasca drives the body's detox cycle really hard. Initially this can be a good thing but over time it strips the liver of all the co-factors it needs to do every day detoxing.

These problems present strongest in white folks, for some reason.
 
Just an update. I've decided to experiment with a microdosing regimen of psilocybin in combination with other neuroregenerative mushrooms like lion's mane.

I did some more digging thanks to this thread and it does seem like medicinal mushrooms are more apt at growing new neurons (due to the presence of neural growth factor). If I apply this line of thinking by taking an array of medicinal mushrooms and psilocybin species, maybe I could help heal my trauma brain.

Thanks everyone for the generous feedback :)
 
Excellent choice. Do make sure to be picky with the lion's mane, there are multiple sources offering nothing but ground up mycelium. You want the fruit body, that's what's been studied.
 
Excellent choice. Do make sure to be picky with the lion's mane, there are multiple sources offering nothing but ground up mycelium. You want the fruit body, that's what's been studied.

I have access to very high grade stuff through the herbal dispensary for practitioners in my town. I'm going to double check with them though. Thanks for the tip!
 
I'm going to be trying ayahuasca soon to hopefully get some of the "light" effects. I do shadow work on my own, but I've hit a wall and need an iron fist to get through to the other side. The body load can be rough from what I hear, but I've started dieta already and will try to be as pure as I can be when I take it. I hear that helps minimize some of the symptoms. I expect to purge though...

If you got any negative feelings like trauma of any kind you won't be worrying about the bodyload. not in my experience. all my trauma came back in one huge rush and i just couldn't handle it. I should've fought and faced my fears to overcome my ptsd but instead i watched porn for the rest of the trip to distract me. Also, i never puked :/
 
If you got any negative feelings like trauma of any kind you won't be worrying about the bodyload. not in my experience. all my trauma came back in one huge rush and i just couldn't handle it. I should've fought and faced my fears to overcome my ptsd but instead i watched porn for the rest of the trip to distract me. Also, i never puked :/

I think the puking thing is overrated. It's a sign of tryptamine overload because the dose was too high.
 
I think the whole purging thing is overrated as well. I mean it's easy for me to understand how while tripping, you can start to feel really nauseous, and at the same time, feel anxious/overwhelmed/negative on the come-up (because come-ups can often feel that way), and then finally it comes to a head and you puke, at which point your stomach feels better and it ushers in a feeling of relief and gratitude and turns the trip around. It doesn't mean that the purge was necessary as part of the dealing process, it just feels good to puke when you're feeling like shit (usually), and while you're tripping it can become deeply symbolic, if that's how you see it.
 
For what it's worth, I've had several base tryptamine purging experiences over the last few years and there has clearly been no relation to the intensity of the trip or the dosage used and no nausea involved in it. My hardest purge was on 50 mg of DiPT, which produced psychedelic effects of extremely mild intensity, almost nonexistent, aside from the auditory distortions which I personally do not think are functionally related or should count as that, and even those were only of modest intensity. My mildest was probably on 50 mg of MET smoked actually which was one of the most overwhelmingly intense experiences for me so far. I've also purged hard on the second but not first time taking 100 mg of MPT orally and the first but not second time taking 50 mg of MiPT orally. Like I said, there is also never any nausea build-up to them and most of the time, always when taken orally, they actually come before rather than during or after the psychedelic comeup, and they come out of nowhere; I will be minding my own business and simply feel instinctively out of the blue that I need to puke, and I'll go do it without any hesitation and then it's just done and never returns.

I'm not saying that the purging has to be healing and such, but I am saying that I don't think it's caused by either dosing too high or feeling nauseous. I personally strongly suspect that it is just a pharmacologically-induced vomiting response, relatively reliable and independent from the other psychedelic pharmacological effects. That being said, I also think it being a reliable pharmacological vomit actually increases the argument that it could be "healing" because of how, as Shadowmeister, it just feels good and refreshing to puke, which technically would mean in this theoretical case that it would be a reliable pharmacological mechanism for causing one to feel "good and refreshed" which basically does meet my definition of a healing substance. Nonetheless, pharmacologically forcing yourself to vomit all the time one would think couldn't really be that good for you and ultimately it does not surprise that people having frequent purge experiences could indeed have the kind of gut problems Foreigner has observed. Just because it can have good effects doesn't mean it can't have bad ones too, and vice-versa.

Shadowmeister, a study was recently published by a large number of authors including David Nutt and Robin Carhart-Harris titled The hidden therapist: evidence for a central role of music in psychedelic therapy. Their aim was to determine the impact that "welcome" and "unwelcome" music had on the parameters of the psychedelic experience they had recently been measuring through many other studies. They ultimately concluded that "the nature of the music experience was significantly predictive of reductions in depression 1 week after psilocybin, whereas general drug intensity was not" and that "music plays a central therapeutic function in psychedelic therapy. " In other words, their psilocybin trips were not apparently the critical factor in determining therapeutic effect, but the fact that they listened to music they like while tripping. If someone pukes on a psychedelic and receives a therapeutic benefit from the psychological experience they have as a result of it, who's to say the puking wasn't actually the critical therapeutic factor?

Just my two cents on the matter.
 
Because we don't carry puking forth within our minds and hearts, letting it guide our everyday movement, being enchanted by the intimate connection it reveals between organism and environment and the deeper nature of reality?

Wouldn't let you get away with equating music to taking a dump either!
 
Taking a dump always makes my trips way stronger too. :) And I really don't think you've stopped me from "getting away with" anything with that statement, honestly.
 
It's comparing aesthetic catharsis with the catharsis of rather mechanical, bodily functions. Come on, surely you can see the limitations here?

Call me a bitter skeptic, but I don't think mind expansion needs sphincter expansion! :p
 
I fail to see why the simple fact that they're both forms of catharsis couldn't be enough.

Call me a skeptic but I don't think anyone understands psychedelics well enough yet to make that assumption.
 
...a study was recently published by a large number of authors including David Nutt and Robin Carhart-Harris titled The hidden therapist: evidence for a central role of music in psychedelic therapy. Their aim was to determine the impact that "welcome" and "unwelcome" music had on the parameters of the psychedelic experience they had recently been measuring through many other studies.

Thank you for the link to that very interesting study, Kaleida. As a classical musician, I was pleased to learn that much of the music that these researchers selected for their study was such, and contemporary at that. Some of the most cathartic experiences that I've had while under the influence of a psychedelic have been while intensely focused on pieces like Ligeti's "San Francisco Polyphony" and Ives' "Symphony No. 4". IMO, that's the best type of music to listen to while tripping, and it doesn't have to be contemporary. Last year, Bruckner's "Symphony No. 9", a piece that I've known and loved since the mid-80's, left me in a profound state of awe that I can't describe, for example. I can say the same for a lot of older music, particularly medieval and renaissance. Granted, the researchers of this paper pointedly avoided works with religious connotations, but give me a Mass by Dufay while on 35mg of 4-HO-MiPT and I'll probably have a revelation or two. Great stuff. Thanks again for the link.
 
I totally agree, I once spent a trip listening to recordings of Glenn Gould playing Bach and it was so immensely powerful.

I grew up playing classical piano, I now play more of like psychedelic/funk/rock/jam music but my style has a distinct classical influence to it. I love classical music,
 
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