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Well growing up in a christian enviroment anytime at church or on religious talk radio drugs are associated with sin and the devil. Though i've never heard any preacher explain the connection between the two.

Tonight i was at this thing with my church youth group and hadn't heard any anti drug preachering done in years. I have only been doing drugs for a year so i never gave it much thought again until tonight. There was a guest speaker and he brought up how he lived a life of sin and of course brought drugs into it and how he was addicted and got clean when he found Jesus and all that stuff. But when he talked about the bad stuff he did and his 'sins' they never really connected with the drug use. He'd say how he would hurt people and not care about others and lie and all that stuff...and he did drugs.

So i thought...well since hes found Jesus and all that why doesn't he do drugs but still love Jesus and be a christian? is that not possible or something? I mean i'd understand if doing the drugs caused him to sin like hurt people while he was high or something but he never said anything like that he never said drugs made him do bad stuff.

I'd like to think im a good christian. I love God and stuff but i enjoy doing drugs from time to time. Drugs have never made me become a horrible person or make me commit sins...Just break the law because their illegal lol. Ive read through the bible. Not in awhile but i don't remember reading anywhere that said drugs are a sin or evil.

I don't know if anyone has some insight on this please let me know what you think about it. Am i going to hell because i smoked weed yesterday? Haha sounds pretty ridiculous to me.
 
There's nothing inherently prohibitionist in the Bible as far as I know, I think the only sensible thing to do is expand the passages on alcohol consumption to include all recreational drugs, consume to rest the weary spirit and make man merry, but do not consume to excess 'cause it leads to nothing good (plus there's the general opinion that all creation is good and to be enjoyed/utilized).

Sirach 31:27 - Wine is as good as life to a man, if it be drunk moderately: what life is then to a man that is without wine? for it was made to make men glad. (a number of Protestant sects do not accept this book as canon, btw).
 
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The opinions found here on this forum concerning recreational drug use and religion will probably be pretty one-sided, but I'm still interested to see what others have to say.

Let's see where this thread goes...
 
Buddhism and Taoism are both squarely against recreational drug use to my knowledge, and find such usage antithetical to to the goals of their religions. The Buddhists because it encourages attachments to material things, and hinders the mind from seeking enlightenment.Taoists because it disturbs the inner harmony of the user and leads to imbalances in yin and yang energies (which will have direct negative impacts on physical/mental/spiritual health).
 
I have heard a few stories floating around about biblical Moses being high on shrooms up on that mountain where "God" delivered the Ten Commandments to him.
 
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some interesting answers. i didnt know about the buddhism/taoism thing i actually thought buddhist's were fond of weed haha.

and yeah i wonder if the drunk thing would apply to the drugs like its ok to do them to an extent but not get too high i guess?
 
I was grown up in a family of Roman Catholic Church members. Some do go to Mass every Sunday, some don't. I'm an agnostic myself or whatever you call. I'm definitely not a Christian, I don't believe in God or gods as presented in religions all over the world.

What's really interesting is people who go to Mass every Sunday and pray fervently don't really know the Bible. I'm not an expert in this field but I've read the Bible. And it's really hard to believe when you find two fragments of text about the same thing negating each other. However, when a Bible-talk starts I always win it because people who claim to be Christian don't even know the holy book all teachings in their religion come from.

I don't really remember the Old Testament that good, at least not all of it. I've done a lot of drugs, mostly opioids intravenously but I've also done a lot of drugs widely known and many that didn't catch public attention, from depressants to stimulants, from simple mood lifters to psychedelics. I don't find myself a sinner because of that. During the time I started to shoot up I met a lot of valuable people who helped me with my self-esteem and social phobia. Sure, I paid the price and after all these years I can't quit just like that. I'm physically addicted to methadone and clonazepam but if I could turn back time, I don't think I would have done it some other way (even having knowledge how it'd end, I'm an addict, there's always something that is going to break you once you felt it for the first time, I guess; there just hasn't appeared anything powerful enough to break the wall I had built to keep away from shooting up).

Although if you only analyze the Ten Commandments, then you might come to a conclusion that by taking drugs you break the 5th Commandment because you do harm to yourself. But it's like you analyzed the 6th Commandment and considered masturbation to be a sin, moreover even an nocturnal emission, which is obviously spontaneous, is a sin according to the OT. Anyway, this is just theorizing. Ten Commandments are actually different in Exodus 20:2–17 and Deuteronomy 5:6–21, we could go on and present our doubts, and that's not the point of the thread.

It's really hard to analyze such an old book in the 21st century when so many things have changed, so many things disappeared, and so many things not present at that time appeared. The Bible doesn't even take two American continents into account because they were unknown to people at that time. How are you supposed to believe authors of the Bible really wrote inspired by God?
 
I smoke bud religiously. I respect herb, I don't abuse that state of mind. It taught me to appreciate when I did deserve to relax and not worry about the small bullshit.
 
Ayahuasca is essential to shamanistic medicinal rituals among Amazonian tribes. You could say, ayahuasca is the religion, a direct portal to the spirit world.
 
adder said:
I was grown up in a family of Roman Catholic Church members. Some do go to Mass every Sunday, some don't. I'm an agnostic myself or whatever you call. I'm definitely not a Christian, I don't believe in God or gods as presented in religions all over the world.

What's really interesting is people who go to Mass every Sunday and pray fervently don't really know the Bible. I'm not an expert in this field but I've read the Bible. And it's really hard to believe when you find two fragments of text about the same thing negating each other. However, when a Bible-talk starts I always win it because people who claim to be Christian don't even know the holy book all teachings in their religion come from.

I don't really remember the Old Testament that good, at least not all of it. I've done a lot of drugs, mostly opioids intravenously but I've also done a lot of drugs widely known and many that didn't catch public attention, from depressants to stimulants, from simple mood lifters to psychedelics. I don't find myself a sinner because of that. During the time I started to shoot up I met a lot of valuable people who helped me with my self-esteem and social phobia. Sure, I paid the price and after all these years I can't quit just like that. I'm physically addicted to methadone and clonazepam but if I could turn back time, I don't think I would have done it some other way (even having knowledge how it'd end, I'm an addict, there's always something that is going to break you once you felt it for the first time, I guess; there just hasn't appeared anything powerful enough to break the wall I had built to keep away from shooting up).

Although if you only analyze the Ten Commandments, then you might come to a conclusion that by taking drugs you break the 5th Commandment because you do harm to yourself. But it's like you analyzed the 6th Commandment and considered masturbation to be a sin, moreover even an nocturnal emission, which is obviously spontaneous, is a sin according to the OT. Anyway, this is just theorizing. Ten Commandments are actually different in Exodus 20:2–17 and Deuteronomy 5:6–21, we could go on and present our doubts, and that's not the point of the thread.

It's really hard to analyze such an old book in the 21st century when so many things have changed, so many things disappeared, and so many things not present at that time appeared. The Bible doesn't even take two American continents into account because they were unknown to people at that time. How are you supposed to believe authors of the Bible really wrote inspired by God?
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Great post adder :) It is very true that alot of people that belong to a certain religion and practice it at their churches or where ever it may be, don't know much about their religion. I hate to generalize but i do see this most commonly with Christianity. I can ask a preacher at one Christian church one thing, get an answer, and ask the same question to a preacher at another Christian church and get a different answer.

All great answers so far. I realize that there are some religions that incorporate some substances into their religion so why couldnt you with Christianity? I beleive if you have a certain mind state before using drugs like marijuana or lsd, say like your in a grateful for God mood or something, that when you become high on the drug you think about God and spiritual things more deeply. i thank God for weed and how it effects me and makes me feel and how i see the world in a better light maybe how God wants me to see it. I just don't see how that would be considered wrong.

i can see how if you're like "i'm going to do a bunch of drugs and go have sex with a bunch of people and rob a bank" or something like that that it would be frowned upon. i don't know maybe its just all about your mind set.
 
I think, as far as Christianity goes, it should be more about intentions. I don't believe that drugs (or anything for that matter) is bad in and of itself (unless it goes against loving God and loving others- meaning you can't do things that harm someone's quality of life). It is when you are fully consumed that drugs can become a sin and the sin is still not even the drugs, but that you are neglecting to live the life that God has for you. This goes for anything though. When you are consumed by money or appearances or sex or food, etc. you are not available to live your life the fullest. This is the part I think is a sin.

I consider myself a Christian, and a serious one at that. I also do drugs. But it's moderation that's key. And because, especially with drugs, this can be difficult (or even close to impossible), for some religious people it is best to just stay away altogether.
 
fearface76 said:
It is when you are fully consumed that drugs can become a sin and the sin is still not even the drugs, but that you are neglecting to live the life that God has for you. This goes for anything though. When you are consumed by money or appearances or sex or food, etc. you are not available to live your life the fullest. This is the part I think is a sin.
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Indeed! Matthew 6:24 - No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and mammon (i.e. wealth, material riches, etc.).


Note: I am not really religious at all.
 
Jeebus did turn water into wine heh =D...

As others have kinda said, the best I've been able to conclude is that drugs are "evil" because they can make one prone to sinful behaviour, they distract from God (much like money, women et al.), and lead to overconsumption and whatnot.
 
^ Yeah... And it's a good example explaining why ethyl alcohol (and not other drugs) is now widely available and acceptable even though it's a substance of abuse and it's habit-forming. I don't think they had e.g. opium poppy fields in places where action in the Bible takes place if you can say so treating the Bible as a book.

Concerning "distractors", alright, God didn't create money. But God did create a man and a woman and God made them attracted to each other. How does it relate to people praying "(...) and lead us not into temptation (...)"? For heterosexual people: a man will always look at a beautiful woman feeling sexual attraction to her and a woman will always look at a handsome man feeling sexual attraction. The same goes for homosexual people but men are attracted to men and women are attracted to women. This is how God created mankind so God does lead us into temptation.

Drugs are another distractor created by God. Opium poppy, coca, cannabis sativa, salvia divinorum, and many other are naturally growing plants containing substances altering human mind. How is this different from the previous example?

You can do harm to other people by taking drugs and getting addicted. That's something completely different. But has anyone addicted here ever thought before getting addicted that the addiction may be harmful not only to oneself but also to one's close people? I don't think so. I've never meant to cause any trouble to anyone by taking drugs.
 
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Does anyone else really love religion?

Hi, im an avid user of drugs, and will allow this post to become heavy.

The user in question, loves religion almost as much as he loves doing drugs.

Has anyone here studied religion like I have?

I was reincarneted as Muhamed.

Written great poems as Shakespeare.

And I lean on one arm before i go to bed, symbolizing true BuddhaHood.

Does anyone else believe that they are the Christ, like I do?

In christianity I have the capability to take away everyones sins. Just by proving that I've died once before, or that I've saved my life or the life of another.

I have recieved a Grand White Lodge application in the form of the Yin Yang(both black and white). I was taken to a mental hospital and seen another man murdered in cold blood...litterally sawn in half with a medical saw.

I tell you all this knowing that now I am saved and the world could use a Messiah.

I have signed up to be both a profit and Messiah.

I will save the world!

Does anyone have any anecdotes of religion and drugs combining into a truly spiritual experience?
 
Yo

don't why people aren't responding to this (my guess is that most people here are at least moderately atheist)

I do have a strong sense of religion

your post is somewhat disturbing imo
 
"Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven" - John Milton

(Just throwing some coals on the fire - no pun intended)
 
Brendan12 said:
I have signed up to be both a profit and Messiah.
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Send me a link so i can sign up too. JK. Interesting post thats all i gotta say, but no, im atheist and anything 'spiritual' that i have encountered through the use of drugs i dont take too seriously because its the drugs making me think a certain way.
 
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