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Drugalyser "zero tolerance for some drugs"

It may also be about money but making it illegal to drink/drug drive is no bad thing

It's already illegal. Has been for a really long time.

What there hasn't been for a really long time is a test in use that could potentially lose you your license on a Monday morning because you had a smoke on Saturday afternoon. Can you not get your head round the fact that it's not really a Good Thing?
 
I driven whilst sharing a spliff with my cousin loads of times, he drives way better when stoned compared to when sober !
Sounds crazy but the fact he is stoned makes him concentrate way more than if he were sober.

Then again he does have a lot of practice on his xbox
 
it's already illegal. Has been for a really long time.

What there hasn't been for a really long time is a test in use that could potentially lose you your license on a monday morning because you had a smoke on saturday afternoon. Can you not get your head round the fact that it's not really a good thing?

I know it's already illegal!

I've already said that I don't agree with tests that are potentially unfair but I do agree that people shouldn't drive in an altered state of mind. Unless it's medication where proper Dr sign off has occurred. Can you get your little head around that?
 
I know it's already illegal!

I've already said that I don't agree with tests that are potentially unfair but I do agree that people shouldn't drive in an altered state of mind. Unless it's medication where proper Dr sign off has occurred. Can you get your little head around that?

No need to be so condescending.

You said "making it illegal to drink/drug drive is no bad thing". Absolutely no one is in the process of making it illegal to drink/drug drive. They are in the process of bringing in an unfair testing system.

I thought we were arguing "This test is bad" versus "This test is good". If we both agree that the test is bad then cool.
 
I driven whilst sharing a spliff with my cousin loads of times, he drives way better when stoned compared to when sober !
Sounds crazy but the fact he is stoned makes him concentrate way more than if he were sober.

Then again he does have a lot of practice on his xbox
Actually yeah, forget everything I've said, I've just remembered that my brother's girlfriend's auntie drives way better stoned than sober. Definitely means it's the same for all the population!

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when your not stoned your mind is on the radio knob and all this other bullshit that distracts drivers like fucking mobile phones etc

when your stoned you care not about the radio knob or your mobile phone , cos whatever music your listening to sounds soooo good and your too stoned to have a convo if anyone calls you
hence you concentrate more on the road ,and less on the radio and phonecalls you may get

Stoned driving IS safer

simple
 
Actually yeah, forget everything I've said, I've just remembered that my brother's girlfriend's auntie drives way better stoned than sober. Definitely means it's the same for all the population!

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Where's your evidence that it's not? If I was to get baws deep in google I'm pretty sure I could turn up a study or two that says cannabis improves driving.

Edit - And there's your dinner - http://www.prweb.com/releases/prweb2012/4/prweb9375729.htm

Marijuana Users Are Safer Drivers Than Non-Marijuana Users, New Study Shows

A new study released by United States auto insurance quote provider 4AutoInsuranceQuote.com shows that statistically speaking, marijuana users are safer drivers than non-marijuana users.

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The study, which looks at statistics regarding accidents, traffic violations, and insurance prices, seeks to dispel the thought that “driving while stoned” is dangerous.

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Wonder if taking a couple of paramol would trigger the silly bastards test?
 
http://members.iowatelecom.net/sharkhaus/driving.html

THEORY: MARIJUANA "INTOXICATION" IS HAZARDOUS TO DRIVING
FACT: SCIENTIFIC TESTS OVER 2 AND 1/2 DECADES HAVE NOT SUBSTANTIALLY CONFIRMED THIS THEORY. In fact, marijuana use may slightly improve driving performance, according to science. Two studies (one indexed below) have shown a negative correlation between marijuana and accidents.

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The U. S. researchers, even in the first paragraph of the study, were quick to point out that the effects of marijuana, even in high doses, never caused the subjects to pose a safety hazard to themselves or to other traffic. The U.S. and Dutch researchers both used actual driving conditions for parts of the study, with no fear of the consequences. Why? Is the threat of marijuana mostly an imaginary threat?

The possibility that governments world wide will soon begin to arrest and fine drivers specifically for the offense of having smoked marijuana in the last 30 days, even though the official government research shows that marijuana produces short lasting minimal impairment, well within the range of accepted legal pharmaceuticals, is another poorly reasoned response to a possibly non-existent problem.

People who are planning to be irresponsible in one area of life, may be irresponsible in other areas. If marijuana does not significantly impair driving ability, it should not be associated with irresponsibility.
 
sciencedaily said:
Mar. 1, 2013 — New research appearing online today in Clinical Chemistry, the journal of AACC, shows that cannabis can be detected in the blood of daily smokers for a month after last intake.

New research? I've known this since 1990 or something. Plus it's not significant information is it?
 
New research? I've known this since 1990 or something. Plus it's not significant information is it?

Seems to be the focus of that article. Cannabis makes you crash because... we can still detect it after a month. Brilliant.

Shows how pointless this new test is right enough. Would people think that roadside breathalysers were a good idea if they tested you as positive because you had a drink last week?

I'm still interested to hear the views of other regular drug users who would likely fail this test. Seems it's only the stoners that are willing to admit they'd still drive while over this limit.
 
Indeed, this being fixated on cannabis is boring

It's the one that affects most people, cannabis being used about 5-10x more than any other drug by people. It shows the issue isn't black and white. "Drug use equals impairment" is not even acknowledged by the current law regarding alcohol, it's why we don't have zero tolerance. (Though I'm having it both ways and saying knock is right about the powerful alcohol lobby).

Personalizing the issue means shit but I'm going to anyway. Driven for over 20 years, never had a point, never had a crash. I reckon I've driven over a quarter of a million miles.

I smoke dope.
 
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