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Drugalyser "zero tolerance for some drugs"

i'm sure there's some research showing cannabis doesn't impair the driving all that much, or even makes it a bit more careful - and maybe some other research that shows different results; there's some research somewhere anyway. somebody else google it cos i've got to go out. ;)
 
Ismene said:
I wonder who the better driver would be a - a carful 40 year old who'se had a spliff or an 18 year old stone cold sober driving at 70mph, 2 feet from someones back end.
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So age = better drivers? Don't think so. There are plenty of shit drivers of all ages.

What if that 40 year old needs glasses but doesn't wear them? Was that his first ever spliff so has incredibly low tolerance? Maybe he's also driving at 70mph 2 feet from someone's back end.
 
Mailmonkey said:
I don't think I'm particularly unusual, I think a lot of long term smokers are like me. I'm sure there are plenty of people on here who drive "stoned" (with cannabis in system)
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So either you are stoned but can't tell because you're never at baseline so you can't compare (you mentioned earlier that you're stoned all the time) or it really has no effect on you. Why would you smoke something for no reason?

I suspect it does have an effect, therefore you are stoned when driving.
 
Think he already detailed previously in the thread that smoking weed puts him back to baseline because he's been smoking it so long.

Do you or your partner drive GoS?
 
Marmalade said:
Think he already detailed previously in the thread that smoking weed puts him back to baseline because he's been smoking it so long.

Do you or your partner drive GoS?
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Probably best you let MM answer for himself, he is a big boy.

Yes we do
 
gayorstraight said:
Probably best you let MM answer for himself, he is a big boy.

Yes we do
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He already did answer for himself, keep up missus.

So do you take dexamphet while driving, or not?

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I should clarify, are you ever under the influence of dexamphet while driving?
 
Maybe I'm missing it then, I saw he said that he doesn't get stoned because he has smoked everyday for years etc... Surely that's an opinion of baseline?

Maybe you could quote what he said for clarity.
 
Marmalade said:
He already did answer for himself, keep up missus.

So do you take dexamphet while driving, or not?
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No I don't. My other half is prescribed Dex and does drive under the influence. I'm not over the moon about it but 3 Consulting Drs at the Maudsley hospital, plus his GP have signed him off to be able to drive. The DVLA etc are aware.
 
Marmalade said:
How often do you drive then?
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Used to drive everyday to and from work which was an hour long round trip. Now because I used the train for work I'm a casual driver.

Pop to the shops, maybe a trip up the motorway to bluewater, travel the 40 mins to the coast to visit my father.

What's your point?

Just seen your edit, no I never drive under the influence of amphet or anything else
 
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david nutt says : "UK gov ignores its experts with zero tol to drug driving except alcohol. Time for scientific societies to protest?"
 
I though the reason alcohol wasn't zero tolerance because things like mouthwash can give false positive readings. Or is that a load of rubbish?
 
gayorstraight said:
So age = better drivers? Don't think so. There are plenty of shit drivers of all ages.
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StoneHappyMonday said:
Surely, we just ban everyone under 25? Stats speak for themselves. Go for it I say.
The facts:

In the UK only one in eight driver licence holders is aged 25 or under, yet one in three drivers who die is under 25.
(Figures obtained Driving Standards Agency’s press office, 200 (2007 statistics from the Department for Transport and Police Service for Northern Ireland 200
One in five new drivers is involved in a crash in their first year of driving.
(DSA, Learning to Drive: a consultation paper 200
Young male drivers have higher crash rates than young female drivers.
(Night-time Accidents, Centre for Transport Studies, University College London, 2005)
Young drivers are more likely to thrill seek from driving fast and cornering at high speed than older drivers.
(Young Driver Attitudes, S. Stradling, M. Meadows DfT, 2001)
Government statistics show that male drivers under 25 have the highest incidence of failing a breath test after being involved in a road crash in which someone was injured.
(Table 2f, Road Casualties Great Britain 2004 DfT, 2005)
Research shows that the already high crash rate for 16-19-year-olds driving alone is greatly increased when passengers are present. The more passengers, the greater risk of a collision.
(Doherty, S.T.; Andrey, J.C.; and MacGregor, C. 1998. The situational risks of young drivers: the influence of passengers, time of day, and day of week on accident rates.)
Young drivers have a higher proportion of crashes (many of which are single-vehicle) in the evenings and early mornings.
(Novice driver accidents and the driving test, G Maycock, TRL, 2001)
Of fatalities, only one-third of young drivers and one-fifth of young passengers were restrained.
(MCCarrt AT & Northrup VS (2004) Factors relating to seat belt use among fatally injured teenage drivers).
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parttime crackhead said:
You're legally allowed a certain amount of booze immediately before driving. I can't remember the exact amount, is it 1 pint?
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Yes you're allowed 2 units I believe which is roughly 1 pint.

My point is that you're allowed that 2 units as a buffer because other things can give a false positive reading, such as mouthwash. Otherwise it was be zero tolerance


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Why isn’t the limit zero?

Even without drinking, some alcohol can be present in the body from other sources, such as when produced by the fermentation processes in the digestion of certain foods, or as an ingredient in mouth wash. This means that a zero limit isn’t practical.
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http://www.drivemycarhome.co.uk/drink-driving-facts/
 
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It's nothing to do with pints. It's not measured by how many pints you've had.

What's the law on drink driving?

In the UK, the alcohol limit for drivers is 80 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood, 35 microgrammes per 100 millilitres of breath or 107 milligrammes per 100 millilitres of urine. In most other European countries, the limit is less, usually 50 milligrammes per 100 millilitres of blood (3).
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How much can I drink and stay under the limit?

There is no fool-proof way of drinking and staying under the limit. The amount of alcohol you would need to drink to be considered over the driving limit varies from person to person. It depends on: (4)

your weight
your gender (men tend to process alcohol faster than women)
your metabolism
your current stress levels
whether you've eaten recently
age (younger people tend to process alcohol more slowly

Even small amounts of alcohol can affect your ability to drive so the only safe advice is to avoid any alcohol if you are driving.
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