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Drug to Overcome Panic Attacks

crewm8

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Long story short: Took Chantix in 2006 to quit smoking. I was successful and haven't smoked since, after 20 years so that was great. However a couple weeks in to taking the drug, I started to wake up panicked. It had never happened before. It felt much like someone had suffocated me and I was gasping for air.Fast forward 8 years. I am still dealing with panic attacks every...single...day. I have not slept well in YEARS. A host of anti-depressants really messed me up for a while so I am not going back down that road. I took mushrooms once in attempt to help, boy was that a mistake! I had a 6 hour panic attack. I have a good collection of various over the counter sleeping pills, plus ambien, but they have no affect on panic attacks. I have a host of tricks I do to try to prevent full blown panic but I am getting to the point where this is getting ridiculous. I just want it to stop. I'm so tired...of not sleeping...of living life this way that I am basically on my last leg and willing to try anything.A friend of mine mentioned I might benefit from drugs that are unavailable over the counter. I can't ask my doctor to prescribe Ketamine or MDMA to help me see if these will affect my sleep, consequently depression. I would like to find out more, however. In your experience, what drugs might have an affect on this? I don't ask lightly and I am not just someone trying to score. I just need some help getting started in the right direction, somoeone...a group, a doctor...someone who might be able to help me get through this. Do you have any ideas?
 
Hi, for having panick attacks I used to deal with it with alcohol which is the worst solution ever since it get you depressed and at the end anxious.
The best is benzodiazepine like valium or xanax that you can put under your tongue in order to have a faster effects.
Regarding drugs, MDMA can cause anxiety, ketamine at small doses is a lot like drinking heavily. Weed gives you anxiety, stimulants as well, for opiace it is not my field.

Really benzo is the best and harmless solution I got for myself.

Wish you well I know how awful panick attack can be
 
Talk with your doctor as opposed to self-medicating. He might be able to refer you to a psychiatrist or therapist to address your insomnia and panic attacks. Benzos can be useful with these issues but they can also be a dual edged sword. Meaning the more you take them, the more you need them. You've been suffering too long, don't be afraid to ask for help. <3
 
Benzo would help you 100% Xanax are amazing, very addictive though.. If you don't want to use benzos, have you tried meditation (look up on youtube guided meditation to help with anxiety and sleep. Play it whilst your sleeping and really listen to what their saying.. Even yoga would help, as it re-teaches our brain and breathing techniques.. I would defiantly see a philologist, it might be an underlining issues you have never dealt with and have trauma around... Quick fix Vals or Xanax if your lucky:)
 
The right person to answer this question is a psychiatrist.

That said, some people get good results from lyrica. Seroquel administered around 200mg daily SR can help a lot as well.

Benzos are effective but physical dependency arises with daily use within as little as 6 weeks, so it's not obviously a long term solution, and before you decide you can put up with a benzo dependency to get what you're looking for check out the reality of benzodiazepine withdrawal, which is far from trivial.
 
The main problem with benzodiazepines (from my experience) isn't necessarily addiction, it's "rebound anxiety". I can get "withdrawal" in the form of increased anxiety after only a week or two of daily benzodiazepine use. Other than that they're something of a miracle drug for me, though, and I don't think they're terribly addictive or recreational...although of course it goes without saying that benzodiazepine addiction is no bueno.
 
The right person to answer this question is a psychiatrist.

That said, some people get good results from lyrica. Seroquel administered around 200mg daily SR can help a lot as well.

Benzos are effective but physical dependency arises with daily use within as little as 6 weeks, so it's not obviously a long term solution, and before you decide you can put up with a benzo dependency to get what you're looking for check out the reality of benzodiazepine withdrawal, which is far from trivial.

Lyrica might help with anxiety with a high enough dose but would it be worthless for panic attacks, it takes almost 2 hours for it's effects to come on.
 
Well, it does sound like you are in place where you need help in order to preserve and/or restore your level of functioning and your quality of life. It sounds as if you do have what would be diagnosed as "panic disorder", though I am just going by your saying that you have chronic anxiety about having panic attacks, which you do, in fact, have. Panic disorder is a bitch; I, thankfully, have never been in a place where I was having anxiety about having a panic attack, which is what usually defines panic disorder, although I have had a few isolated panic attacks in addition to my anxiety issues, so while I cannot understand the full range of your type of anxiety firsthand, I do have an idea, and it must be pretty shitty. I, also, have a very close family member who suffers from true panic disorder, and I have seen how it can really tear someone apart. You say you also have problems with your sleep, which sounds from your post like chronic insomnia; that must worsen the anxiety even more, and I'd guess it is the anxiety, to some degree, that keeps that cranked up. So, I do really feel for you, not that I know chronic insomnia, personally or firsthand, but I do know how awful chronic fatigue can be, and I know that firsthand.

As for help, that I might recommend you look for, and at this point, it does seem quite obvious you need more help than you're getting, I would recommend, firstly, really informing yourself about the different techniques used to treat chronic anxiety, in general, as well as panic disorder and individual panic attacks, as well as chronic insomnia. I would honestly recommend you get to know the different types of treatments, with respect to both drug therapy and all other forms of therapy, formal and informal, of eastern and western medicine, so that when you do get help, you'll be a patient who could actively participate in your own treatment. It really is true that one must be one's own advocate and one's own source of knowledge when receiving treatment from doctors, especially, and other professionals you might benefit from, too. It is a pity when a patient goes into a doctor's office and blindly follows a doctor's often subpar, and even often very poor, advice and suggestions. I don't want to scare you away from doctors; I just am emphasizing that going into a doctor's office prepared with knowledge is going in so much more likely to realize if the doctor is a good fit, and if he or she is steering you in the direction in which you want to go. Knowledge really is power. I know that from personal experience - believe me. But, it seems you ought to start looking for a medical doctor or doctors to help treat your anxiety, panic, and insomnia. The anxiety and panic would be treated by a psychiatrist, if you want to try drug therapy as a means to help your condition, and the psychiatrist would probably be the same doctor to help your sleep disturbance, too. But, go into a psychiatrist's office knowing, yourself, what he or she could do that you would be okay with and that you wouldn't be okay with, too - again, study up and learn about your symptoms, possible diagnoses, and particularly possible treatments, including pharmaceuticals available. Now, I wouldn't go into such a psychiatrist's office and tell him or her you want a, b, and c - that won't get you far, but telling him what you have taken before, how it has worked out for you, how you really cannot function now on account of your anxiety, panic, and insomnia, is perfectly fine - a patient should inform his or her doctor of all that. I will say that good psychiatrists, and doctors on the whole, seem to be few and far between, so sometimes you have to have a consultation with another, if you didn't think the first was all the great, and you might have to do this more than once - I don't know. But, it does seem worth it to seek out help at your point, as you've described it. Like I said, just study up, don't let yourself be naïve, ask good questions, etc. And, learn and practice self-relaxation exercises that you can do simply by yourself, including meditation. Someone mentioned yoga; it is a truly wonderful thing for the anxious person.

Now, as for a bit of knowledge/input to share:

Benzodiazepines like Valium (diazepam), Xanax (alprazolam), Ativan (lorazepam), and Klonopin (clonazepam), to name a few of the more common ones, are sedatives which are commonly used to treat anxiety-related problems and different types of insomnia, too. Sometimes, a GP/family doctor will prescribe a small supply to help you until you see a psychiatrist, sometimes a GP/family doctor will prescribe you this type of drug, regularly; it is less common, it seems, than GP's will do this, but I know of cases where it is so. Really, though, it is in psychiatry where these drugs are most comfortably prescribed for anxiety and insomnia (I am grouping panic into anxiety, for the sake of this part of my post). But, you will even come across psychiatrists who feel you have to try seven different anti-depressants before they'll put you on a benzodiazepine, or will put you on an anti-depressant and give you a small amount of benzodiazepines to start out with, or will give you only a small supply of benzodiazepines regularly but only for P.R.N. (as needed) use. Other psychiatrists, while still almost always starting with an anti-depressant, will agree to a round-the-clock benzodiazepine with a bit more ease. The reason I am writing on and on about this is because you said that you have tried many different anti-depressants with no good result, your anxiety and panic are very severe, and your insomnia is seemingly very severe, too. To me, it seems you might feel much better with a benzodiazepine as a part of a drug therapy regimen, perhaps only as needed, perhaps around-the-clock, perhaps both, and perhaps any combination of that and an extra something in the benzodiazepine family to help you sleep. Usually, if you are on a round-the-clock benzodiazepine, your sleep will be helped as the drug will be exerting its anxiety-relieving effect and sedating effect at nighttime, too. Honestly, I cannot say, because I do not know enough about your particular situation, how you would want to approach things, and that type of thing. You do have to be aware that benzodiazepines will produce physical dependence if used round-the-clock for more than a couple weeks, and when they are prescribed to you like that by a psychiatrist, it is expected - in fact, it is known that it will occur within a fairly short time. And, it is true that coming off benzodiazepines is a long, hard, and drawn-out ordeal, BUT they can really, really help anxiety, panic, and insomnia, and many people swear by them for years and years. So, there are pro's and con's to them, and the same goes for the fashion in which they are used. It might be that you only would need something at bedtime and something to use as needed, in addition to other non-drug therapies such as simple talk therapy with a psychologist or counselor or someone like that. Another thing to mention, just because you are really suffering from panic attacks, is that Xanax (alprazolam), even at relatively low doses, can be a VERY good option to use when the actual attacks occur, for it works very well and very swiftly. I'll mention, too, that Klonopin (clonazepam) tends to be the best for preventing panic attacks in the first place, and for helping general anxiety of the nature you are describing. I am not saying those are the ones for you, but I am saying they might be considerations.

Neurontin (gabapentin) and Lyrica (pregabalin) are not commonly used in psychiatry in the U.S., however it seems Neurontin is being used more and more to help with mood stabilization/regulation. But, these two drugs do help anxiety and insomnia, and probably, on the whole, just as well as a benzodiazepine would, given you are taking either one at a sufficient dose. Both do cause physical dependence, as well, however, like benzodiazepines. And, as with benzodiazepines, one does become tolerant to some of their effects to an extent. They aren't as feared by a lot of doctors that might be hesitant to prescribe a benzodiazepine, however these two drugs are mostly used for pain conditions and epilepsy, but not always.

I could go on about all of this, but I will leave as it is for now. I may add more, later, if I think of anything that could be particularly helpful.
 
Propranolol -but much safer to go to the Doctors than self medicating.

Propranolol is great for low-mid level panic attacks where the problem is primarily physical symptoms (ie. heart starts racing, blood pressure goes up, light headed, palpitations, tingling, etc). and has the benefit of being relatively free of side effects. Definitely worth a shot, although I'd recommend an XR formulation if you can find it, the half life is so short that you end up popping a pill every 3 or 4 hours and waking up with that crushing feeling in your chest every morning because it wore off over night.

SSRI's OP says haven't worked.

OP, If your attacks are only a few times a week, quick acting, short duration benzos would help tremendously, something like xanax (alprazolam) or ativan (lorazepam). 1mg of xanax under the tongue of someone with no benzo tolerance will stop a panic attack in it's tracks.

Psychotherapy and cognitive behaviorial therapy may or may not help, but it certainly can't hurt to try them out (well, other than financially :\ ). Sometimes you need to hunt around a bit for a good therapist though.

Likewise, meditation (or other meditative practices, something like yoga, tai chi or chi kung, even one of the softer martial arts if you feel up to it) can also help, although I wouldn't recommend them without the guidance of a competent teacher. However they can also bring up underlying psychological and emotional issues which you haven't addressed (and you obviously have those, or champix wouldn't have triggered years of anxiety) - which I guess is the point, but it can be a case of making things worse before you can make them better. Sometimes much worse.

Or more generally speaking, just play exercise often benefits people.
 
Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply. I have been searching for help with this, seen 10 doctors, 5 psychiatrists, counselors, and talked about it with countless people. The vast majority of drugs mentioned were at one time or another, prescribed to me. It took me a year to get back to something resembling normal, or at least free from the side effects since my last prescription. That said I am unwilling to go down the road of anti-depressants or benzodiazapines again.

I am however increasingly willing to try MDMA and/or low dose ketamine to get some relief. Where I don't want to seek it out via the black market, it seems this is my only option. I have heard of the physician in California doing ketamine therapy which is very expensive. Does anyone else have experience with taking these drugs with the hope of the side effect of lowered anxiety or even relief from panic attacks?
 
I have found MDMA is hit and miss with anxiety. When I was much younger (17) I used to have a bit of social anxiety due to my upbringing (nothing crazy, but I was quiet and withdrawn, had trouble holding conversations with strangers, etc), and MDMA helped me get past this in a big way.

I've also found that the actual high of MDMA is a fairly good anxiolytic, speaking as someone who gets severe anxiety from typical amphetamine type stimulants.

But in a case of severe panic disorder like yours, I'm not sure that it's going to do much long term (except perhaps in a therapeutic setting, but we're a while off that) and, honestly, I think that like the mushrooms it might well worsen it. Anxiety is a frequent aftereffect of MDMA, and I've seen it develop in those who abuse MDMA for a period of time.

Ketamine I'm not sure about, it's supposed to be helpful for depression, but I don't believe any research has been done on anxiety. You could experiment with low doses of DXM to try simulate the effect (bluelighters have said that this has worked).

If you've ruled out benzos and antidepressants, I really do suggest that you look into beta blockers (esp. propranolol) for medication.

I'd also suggest you keep looking for a good therapist, I know it's a hard slog, and probably very expensive in the US, but they can make a difference and help you get down to the root cause. Likewise, CBT is supposed to help with teaching you coping mechanisms that should allow you to avert episodes.
 
Ketamine - have a read at this thread

I think this was more for depression but may give you some information. If your having problems with anxiety and panic attacks then starting to self dose with MDMA could just make things worse. You 'may' make the mistake of feeling you need more and more each time and then the comedown could make your panic attacks worse.
 
Not sure experimenting with Ketamine or MDMA is such a good idea, frankly.

Have you tried the softer GABA agonists like Valerian or phenibut?

I understand distrusting doctors but...if you need an emergency relaxant...as I did while going through extreme DTs...Valerian, Skullcap and Phenibut took the edge off as I tapered down.

Hope this helps.
 
A good beer can help, if its not enough then Benzodiazepine can help but it should only be taken occasionally because tolerance and dependence increase very fast. Antidepressant like Effexor can be taken every days for anxiety but I don't know if it is as effective and without side effects.
 
I used to have massive social anxiety to the point where I wouldn't talk to anyone except my family and close friends. I recently got admitted to hospital for depression and while there I talked to a psychiatrist who prescribed me Clonazepam which was a great short acting anti-anxiety I took twice a day. I was also prescribed 150mg Seroquel at night.

When they took me off my Clonazepam it helped me realize that social situations weren't all that bad and that the anxiety I had was pointless. I used to also have occasional panic attacks, and I find the Seroquel has reduced that number to none.

What I recommend? Talk to psychiatrist, they can prescribe you the correct medications, help you figure out what is the root cause of your problems and what you can do to stop them. I recommend Seroquel, it helps you sleep through the night resulting in better overall health and thus less anxiety overall.

Good luck my friend anxiety and panic attacks are difficult things to deal with and work through, I believe in you.
 
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