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Drug overdose "theory" (place conditioning and drugs)

GordanMilky

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I heard in psychology class today, that if you're in the same setting (a bathroom) while getting high( we'll say shooting up on heroin) over and over. A tolerance is partly made because your body knows that the drug is coming (conditioned stimuli), and shoots off adrenaline and other stuff to counter it. But say after a long time you change the setting, like going on vacation. And you shoot up in a bed room. Your body doesn't expect it and you overdose and end up in emergency or dying. Whats your thoughts?

Ps. Sorry for my poor sentence structure its late.
 
Place conditioning is very real. Certain places, people and situations make me fiend. You associate getting high with that place, people, situation, etc.

I remember reading a paper somewhere that talked about addicts' bodies physically changing when they think about where they've shot up.
 
I read this before work yesterday, since nearly every time I use it's at home or in Detroit and never at work i decided to test it. Normally I would wait til I was home but yesterday I did a bag 20-30 mins before I got off, was noddin balls all night. Just my 2 cents.
 
I believe a bag just means a single dose. So this is kind of interesting that not a lot of people know about this. It could work in your favor, not having to shoot up as much. Which could be a placebo? But i guess you should always be careful when you're in a different setting or with different people.
 
Place conditioning is definitely real!

Just a reminder, Drug Studies forum isn't here for thread about general drug questions and knowledge - the rest of the board is for that! I'm going to move this to Basic Drug Discussion. :)
 
TY, dis

I've just been seeing did 3 bags, or did 5 bags all over the place so it was kind of confusing me lol.
 
I've seen this discussed several times in Other Drugs generally referred to as 'environmental tolerance'.

Here's a brief article on the concept -

Environment Contributes To Drug Tolerance


ScienceDaily (Oct. 12, 2000) — COLLEGE STATION - Tolerance is a major aspect of drug addiction, and one Texas A&M University psychologist believes the setting in which drugs are taken can be just as big a contributor to developing a tolerance as the drugs themselves.


For more than a decade, Texas A&M psychologist Antonio Cepeda-Benito has studied how learning facilitates the development of tolerance, and he says the environment in which a drug is consumed plays a large role in the drug's effects.

"If the same amount of a drug is administered in one context and later in another different and distinct context, then the effects of the drug are different," Cepeda-Benito says. "The drug has a much greater effect in a novel context rather than in a context that is associated with the administered drug."

Cepeda-Benito, who has studied morphine and nicotine's effects, terms this phenomenon "learned tolerance," and says gradual desensitization to a drug can be developed not only by repeated use of the drug, but also through a learning process that involves recognizing the environment.

In other words, a person consuming a drug in a setting where he or she usually consumes the drug or even expects to consume it will be less likely to feel the full effects of the drug, he says. However, if that same person takes the same amount of the drug in a setting where he or she doesn't normally take the drug, then the person is likely to feel a greater effect from the drug.

He says a familiar context can mean any familiar environment and/or actions, as well as timing. He also notes that the longer the interval between episodes, the greater the chance is of developing a learned tolerance.

Cepeda-Benito says this could possibly explain some drug overdoses in which the person didn't take a greater amount of the drug, but instead, took the drug in an unfamiliar setting, making the term "overdose" a misnomer.

"These are physiological changes mediated by psychological aspects," he says.

Much like a butcher working in a meat freezer who isn't affected by the cold while at work but can feel cold at home, Cepeda-Benito says, the body, over time, begins to prepare itself, through learning, for the environment it is used to consuming the drugs in, resulting in a lessening of the drug's effects.

"This is important because we know that tolerance is a symptom of drug dependence, and when you become tolerant to a drug, then you need to take more of the drug to get the effect you want," Cepeda-Benito says. "The more of the drug you take, the more physiologically dependent you become."
 
i remember posting that article in the first aussie benzo megathread.

Much like a butcher working in a meat freezer who isn't affected by the cold while at work but can feel cold at home, Cepeda-Benito says, the body, over time, begins to prepare itself, through learning, for the environment it is used to consuming the drugs in, resulting in a lessening of the drug's effects.

really struck pegasus as well as myself. you can't put it much simpler.
 
Perhaps its not quite the same thing going on but since someone mentioned benzos, and since i've just taken mine in hopes of sleeping better than last night:
one thing I've noticed when taking benzos at night for sleep aid is that I seem to feel them more if I take them and not lay down in bed immediately. If I lay on the couch and try to read for a bit then I seem to feel the drowsiness kick in a bit more than if I'm just laying in bed desperately waiting for sleep. I'm sure there's a lot of other factors here but when you have sleep issues and the docs/therapists go thru the motins with you about "sleep hygiene" they mention that it's important to use your bed mostly for sleeping rather than lounging, watching tv, movies, etc. I feel like that is partially related here- how your body feels conditioned to being in bed.
 
^ I don't think that's very closely related to environmental tolerance/place conditioning.

When I am exercising, I don't notice the effects of the ephedrine and caffeine I take nearly as much as if I'm sedentary - laying in bed not doing anything after taking sedatives or exercising on stimulants masks some of the more obvious effects so they subjectively seem less pronounced.
 
If you always shoot up in a different place, you will get environmentally conditioned to expect it no matter the location, and you will have to change something else, like the setting.
 
At first I read this and was like "This goes against everything I've learned about Medicine and Pharmacology"

Then I read 1 post

Then I researched it

Hey, it is real, learn something everyday

P.S. another way to O.D. is being used to, say, doing 1 gram of meth at once (1000mg) and it is only 10% pure
Suddenly you get a pure gram (not knowing it is pure) and you do a 1 gram line, and you O.D.

^that was more of just a fun fact
 
If you always shoot up in a different place, you will get environmentally conditioned to expect it no matter the location, and you will have to change something else, like the setting.

i can attest that. when i was shooting a lot of morphine at home i became conditioned to my environment. i'd hardly ever prep at my friends but when i did i would experience a hell of a better rush and high.
 
Now that I think about it, I rolled REALLY fucking hard when I threw a rave at my place (only one to ever happen), and got spun THE FUCK OUT when I was smoking in my car in the driveway. If I was speeding at my house it would always be REALLY hard.
 
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