Drug induced Euphoria? What's that?!?

[THCified]

Long Story short...

I'm never getting any or much euphoria induced by various substances. For me, Euphoria or good mood is mostly only related to my overall well-being, but drugs which are likely to give some decent euphoria, such as shrooms, Weed, MXE, Kratom, Methylone etc. doin' (almost) nothing in that field.

So my question is if anybody's sharing these experiences?

 

[oxymoron310]

Dont advocate IV use please
^Sorry

 

[herbavore]

TDS is not the appropriate forum for this discussion. Please read the guidelines before opening a thread. I will move this over to OD for you. OD mods, if there is any problem with this feel free to move where you think appropriate. Thanks.

 

[madog11]

We don't encourage people to try IV here. It's about as far from harm reduction as you can get.

 

[kokaino]

I experience euphoria, even bliss under the influence of morphine/heroin. I also experience a very intense euphoria under the effects of methamphetamine, dextroamphetamine and MDMA. Weed gives me very weak euphoria, as I never really enjoyed it. Cocaine is highly euphoric to me when its good quality.

So perhaps you should try something different?

Always be safe though.

 

[lazylazyjoe]

We don't encourage people to try IV here. It's about as far from harm reduction as you can get.

RANT
I know it's forum policy to not promote IV use unsolicited and biased, and I agree with that fully, and that yeah, that particular statement was not good HR advice, but I'll tell you.
I think the drug your doing dictates your level of risk more than just the ROA.
/RANT

This isnt really an appropriate place to discuss this but back to topic at hand, here's my favorite pure euphoria, however, I don't recommend it if you value your brain:
nitrous/albuterol, while on MDMA, while getting a blood choke.

 

[THCified]

TDS is not the appropriate forum for this discussion. Please read the guidelines before opening a thread. I will move this over to OD for you. OD mods, if there is any problem with this feel free to move where you think appropriate. Thanks.

Sorry for that.

We don't encourage people to try IV here. It's about as far from harm reduction as you can get.

I wouldn't use IV application, so there's no problem for me with that. But you're right.

So perhaps you should try something different?

Always be safe though.

Of course i am. It's not that i'm unhappy not getting full blown MDMA-like euphoria with various substances, i'm more interested in why is that and if there are more people like me!?

 

[LOGan1314]

i find certian stimulants (GOOD QUALITY methamphetamine, 4-fa, old-school mephedrone) to be very euphoric...and certain opiates (oxycodone, methadone, heroin) to be very euphoric. Drugs like MDMA, mushrooms, and weed are hit or miss for me and are "euphoric" in their own way.

 

[madog11]

I wouldn't use IV application, so there's no problem for me with that. But you're right.



Of course i am. It's not that i'm unhappy not getting full blown MDMA-like euphoria with various substances, i'm more interested in why is that and if there are more people like me!?

Good, i'm glad.

I hope you find someone who can help you/has had experiences like yours. Will add though, weed does nothing at all for me either. Don't understand the attraction at all. Most it's done for me is make me paranoid!

 

[benzo bars]

Ever consider the possibility of depression ? I've been depressed for quite some time and I remember at the lowest part of my life, no drug could give me euphoria or make me happy. Weed made things enjoyable, but it was weak.

 

[silentcowboy]

i find kratom extremely euphoric and safe, but be careful about dosing everyday because you will become dependent.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Something I've come to learn over time is that everyone has a slightly varied definition of euphoria when it comes to substances. There are so many different kinds of effects that drugs have on our bodies that some people may classify as euphoria. One thing I often see people doing wrong when trying out new drugs, is expecting a euphoria they experienced on a certain class of drugs and expecting to feel the same effect on a different drug, not feeling what they expect, and chalking it up to not working. For example taking molly and then expecting a similar effect when taking percocets simply because they're both classified as 'euphoric'.

Hopefully this helps:

MDMA releases serotonin (among other things), which floods the receptor sites producing feelings of empathy, love, closeness, togetherness, which can be a feeling that someone may classify as euphoria.

Amphetamines release dopamine (again, among other things) which induces feelings of invincibility, power, strength, endurance, confidence, excitement, all feelings that differ very much from (clean) MDMA, but can still be classified as a euphoric effect.

Opiates flood the endorphin receptors which give similar feelings to the way one may feel after a good run, hike, or workout. You feel good about yourself, positive about life, comfortable, chilled out but alert, not worried about anything, just content, again, all classified as euphoria.

Benzos, alcohol and even weed might make a person 'dumbed down', slower, very chilled out, can't really think fast enough to be anxious about anything, inhibitions are lowered, at high enough doses a person may feel like they can 'drop out' and just forget about reality. This can be classified as euphoria by some, especially those with anxiety issues. The simple absence of anxiety is euphoric as hell to anxiety-ridden people like myself.

Psychedelics can induce an enlightened state, feelings of wonder, awe, as if your mind was blown, maybe similar to how when you were a child and you saw something that completely blew your little mind and from that day forward you knew what you wanted to grow up and be....the feeling you have at those moments, just 'expanded', again all can be considered euphoria.



As you can see, all different drugs have unique effects that can all be called "euphoria". I think of the word "euphoria" as more of a blanket term for "you will be happier than normal on this, for one reason or another."

 

[pbuilder]

The drugs that you listed are mostly psychedelics, which aren't always euphoric because the euphoria from them is different and really depends on ur surrounding and mindset, and hOw much you enjoy the actual tripping.

Where as drugs like cocaine and MDMA are only popular because rather than make you trip, there primary function is to effect dopamine and serotonin release in the brain which single handles the chemicals that make us feel motivated, happy, and just generally really good. That is what euphoria basically means by definition to, thus if you want some real euphoria I'd try Some good MDMA with some good friends, maybe having a club planned for greatest effects. Same with cocaine, man a few drinks and then some lines and you will be sitting staring at a blank wall, grinning like an idiot because you just feel so damn happy and good about life.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

You might also be expecting too much from drugs. Just a thought.

 

[LOGan1314]

^^WOW...great point...my friends described the original oxycontin formula as "better than ecstasy, better than anything you have done" And i after i insufflated 20 mg (my first time using any type of opiate really) I was very dissapointed....but when i tried it a week later, i knew what to look for....

 

[Alex000]

I'm not saying go out there and use opiates, but opiates are the bee's knees, opiates are pretty much where it is at. They can induce a good lot of euphoria, that is for sure. Amphetamines, cocaine, and methylphenidate-type drugs can also be euphoric, definitely, but in a bit of a different way. Opiates are gentle on the body, and do promote a feeling of overall well-being, physical, mental, all of it. I am surprised you don't get much euphoria from some of the drugs you have listed, but they aren't as euphoric as some others.

 

[burn out]

Something I've come to learn over time is that everyone has a slightly varied definition of euphoria when it comes to substances. There are so many different kinds of effects that drugs have on our bodies that some people may classify as euphoria. One thing I often see people doing wrong when trying out new drugs, is expecting a euphoria they experienced on a certain class of drugs and expecting to feel the same effect on a different drug, not feeling what they expect, and chalking it up to not working. For example taking molly and then expecting a similar effect when taking percocets simply because they're both classified as 'euphoric'.

Hopefully this helps:

MDMA releases serotonin (among other things), which floods the receptor sites producing feelings of empathy, love, closeness, togetherness, which can be a feeling that someone may classify as euphoria.

Amphetamines release dopamine (again, among other things) which induces feelings of invincibility, power, strength, endurance, confidence, excitement, all feelings that differ very much from (clean) MDMA, but can still be classified as a euphoric effect.

Opiates flood the endorphin receptors which give similar feelings to the way one may feel after a good run, hike, or workout. You feel good about yourself, positive about life, comfortable, chilled out but alert, not worried about anything, just content, again, all classified as euphoria.

Benzos, alcohol and even weed might make a person 'dumbed down', slower, very chilled out, can't really think fast enough to be anxious about anything, inhibitions are lowered, at high enough doses a person may feel like they can 'drop out' and just forget about reality. This can be classified as euphoria by some, especially those with anxiety issues. The simple absence of anxiety is euphoric as hell to anxiety-ridden people like myself.

Psychedelics can induce an enlightened state, feelings of wonder, awe, as if your mind was blown, maybe similar to how when you were a child and you saw something that completely blew your little mind and from that day forward you knew what you wanted to grow up and be....the feeling you have at those moments, just 'expanded', again all can be considered euphoria.



As you can see, all different drugs have unique effects that can all be called "euphoria". I think of the word "euphoria" as more of a blanket term for "you will be happier than normal on this, for one reason or another."

\Yes, each class of drugs has a unique effect but I think not quite correct to separate out the effects from the euphoria the way you are doing. All those drugs are capable of producing a mood/lift/feelings of warmth and well-being, in addition to their own unique effects. It's the mood lift/feeling of well being that makes a drug euphoric.

For example, both alcohol and benzodiazepines make a person feel anxiety free and dumbed down, but most people find alcohol much more euphoric than benzos because it releases more dopamine. All the euphoric drugs work on parts of the brain associated with reward.

 

[THCified]

Good, i'm glad.
I hope you find someone who can help you/has had experiences like yours. Will add though, weed does nothing at all for me either. Don't understand the attraction at all. Most it's done for me is make me paranoid!

For me, weed is defo the DOC, best thing ever given to mankind by nature. It does or can make me happier, sometimes also euphoric in some way, but only if my overall mood is also good.

Ever consider the possibility of depression ? I've been depressed for quite some time and I remember at the lowest part of my life, no drug could give me euphoria or make me happy. Weed made things enjoyable, but it was weak.

I surely had or have some depressed times, like we all do, but I wouldn’t go that far to call myself depressed. But i had these thoughts also some time ago.

Well the drugs you've done aren't always euphoric. Yes, shrooms are well known for that overwhelming euphoria and giggly feeling, but that has only happened to me a couple times, but my friends will feel that way every time. MXE produces zero euphoria so don't be looking for euphoria there. Weed is not usually euphoric either.

Same here. Most friends of mine were also laughing there asses off, but for me, shrooms were never like that. More shamanic, calming and relaxing than making me happy in some euphoric way. But it’s a nice mood lifter, that's for sure!

i find kratom extremely euphoric and safe, but be careful about dosing everyday because you will become dependent.

I tried Kratom many times but never got any euphoria, a SHAME! It’s nice, gives me also some decent mood lift but nowhere near what I would call euphoria.

I should add -since this is nearly what I am thinking-

You might also be expecting too much from drugs. Just a thought.

that perhaps some MDMA-experiences many many years ago gave me some abstract expression of euphoria, I am now looking for in other substances, which is probably the reason why I am not satisfied with the euphoria they give me.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Ah yes, I've seen many folks make that mistake, even I used to as well. MDMA gives what I'd like to think it probably one of the ultimate/strongest feeling of euphoria than most drugs out there. Then, after a good, strong MDMA roll, every other drug just pales in comparison, even opiates. However, MDMA is extremely toxic as well, so if you don't want to fry your body and brain, but still want to get a good strong euphoric buzz, you'll need to lower your expectations slightly.

Like I said above, every single person is different and will be affected by drugs in different ways and will have different opinions on what 'euphoria' is. My explainations from above are exactly that, my personal definitions of euphoria, not hard facts. The mood lift can come from many different angles. For example a simple tingly body high could make a person euphoric if that's what they're into. Or hallucinations can trigger euphoria if you love tripping, even if there isn't much of an actual 'euphoric effect'. Personally, I have high levels of anxiety and depression, ADD and the like. If a drug makes me not worry about the future, makes me comfortable right where I sit/stand and happy to interact with other people (especially people that I normally try to avoid), then that is euphoria to me.

Kratom gives one of the most natural MDMA-like and well-rounded euphorias I've ever felt from a benign plant. Granted it can be subtle, but man...with a lower tolerance, there is a sweet spot that just bliss... I'm yet to try khat, I have to get some...

 

[lazylazyjoe]

You might also be expecting too much from drugs. Just a thought.

My first ever drug experience (a legal one, at that) ended in an very very near death OD. So, my expectations for illicit drugs was waaay high and Ive always been let down.