Drug Addict or Major Depressive?

Bluetyper

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I have a bit of a dilemma TDS, and I apologize if this sounds scatterbrained or something...

if I'm not on my doctor-prescribed regiment of amphetamines, benzos, and an SNRI, I am substituting my bad feelings with other drugs. My doctor recently took me off all of my medication (and I couldn't afford it anyways due to homelessness) and now I'm slipping back into bad habits: smoking weed every day, taking large quantities of opiates, smoking MDPV, drinking, etc.

How much of my problems are a matter of me being situationally depressed, chemically fucked up, or an idiot with no self-control? How can I possibly stop doing drugs if I'd be slitting my wrists without them?
 
Were your prescribed meds effective? If so, then get back on them. If you can afford to be doing the recreational drugs then you can afford to be on meds which actually work for you.

Going off the med combination you listed is likely to cause an emotional crash in and of itself, even if you weren't homeless.
 
Without really knowing you, it sounds like you have deep unhappiness/depression which is just being masked by the drugs (prescribed and otherwise). In no way are you an idiot with no self-control :-)

Your doc sounds a bit odd taking you off everything cold turkey (being polite there - he sounds like an a*hole). In an ideal world, you could find a good doctor who believes in getting to the root of the problem with therapy/counselling, while slowly tapering you off your dependencies, rather than just shoving drugs down your throat.

To truly "cure" yourself, you need to get to the actual reason for your unhappiness, rather than just masking it with drugs. Its a hard road, and I hope you are able to find somebody to help you along the path. PM me if you ever want to vent or moan or have silly conversations
 
Without really knowing you, it sounds like you have deep unhappiness/depression which is just being masked by the drugs (prescribed and otherwise). In no way are you an idiot with no self-control :-)

Your doc sounds a bit odd taking you off everything cold turkey (being polite there - he sounds like an a*hole). In an ideal world, you could find a good doctor who believes in getting to the root of the problem with therapy/counselling, while slowly tapering you off your dependencies, rather than just shoving drugs down your throat.

To truly "cure" yourself, you need to get to the actual reason for your unhappiness, rather than just masking it with drugs. Its a hard road, and I hope you are able to find somebody to help you along the path. PM me if you ever want to vent or moan or have silly conversations

This is basically everything I was going to say! :)

Bluetyper, you are definitely not an idiot, you've got some underlying issues which are causing you to feel depressed and to try and chase away those feelings with substances. Such a predicament is very common amongst drug users and it doesn't make you any less of a person that you have these issues.
Have you ever had any therapy/counselling??
 
A while back I found myself in a very similar predicament. I was becoming more and more hopeless, suicidal, anxious, and desperate by the day. I had given up on hobbies I used to love, on school, on finding a job, on making friends, trying to get a girlfriend, spending nearly every day holed up in my tiny room for rent. I had tried many ideas to improve my situation- I moved several times, I started spending time with different people, I was going to CBT and reading a bunch of self-help books, tried only smoking pot, taking psychedelics to try to figure my life out, and just about anything else I could think of; all to no avail. There were still so many things I desperately wanted but was too afraid to work towards, because, after all, I knew I'd fail at them, just like everything else I tried. More than anything else, I wanted to stop feeling so alone. I ran out of options, nothing I tried seemed to work. So, I tried to kill myself. Didn't work.

In the past six months, life has been better than it has at any point in my life. I didn't know what else to do so I decided to get clean for a little while- at least until things were back under control. The first thing that kept me clean, that hit me right away at the perfect time to make up for the absence of drugs in my life was knowing that I wasn't alone. I was able to talk to others who were in the exact same situation I had been in. It started to hit me that I was in the right place and everything was going to be alright. In my time clean I have discovered happiness. I don't have to be alone anymore, I don't have to be afraid anymore. I can deal with anything in life, I have a solution to all of my personal problems. I know what I want to do with my life and what to do to get there. I don't wake up every day wondering what the fuck is wrong with me. I no longer want to die. I don't even want to use drugs!

So, how to go about determining if you are an addict or just depressed? Try to use in a controlled manner. Set a reasonable limit for yourself and make a decision to stick to it. Try this again and again, until there is no doubt in your mind whether you are an addict or not. Even if you don't want to (I heard this advice before I was desperate enough to get clean or even try to control my using), just do it. What you will learn from this little experiment is invaluable.

If you reach the conclusion that you cannot control your use, awesome! There is a solution. Instead of using drugs to hide from personal problems, you will find solutions to your problems, so that you have nothing to hide from. You really will be able to have anything you want. Life will flow naturally, you will learn how to have relationships with others and with yourself. Please PM me or keep updating this thread if you'd like to know how I got clean an learned how to be happy, or to hear more of my story, or anything at all. It really can work for you. Take care, everything will be alright.
 
If you are completely miserable without drugs, then that is what you can start examining. What is causing this, what thoughts/beliefs are contributing to it, what emotions are you uncomfortable feeling, etc. There's no simple solution and it requires maintaining enough self-awareness to figure out what is really going on.

In the meantime, if you are going to continue to use substances to medicate, do so in the safest way possible. This could mean returning to prescription medications if you think that they offer you more stability. Amphetamines and benzos of course have their own risks, but may or may not be preferable to opiates/MDPV/alcohol binges if taken at prescribed dosages.

But if your goal is really to get off of everything then some inner exploration will be important. Therapy + meditation seem to be two things that the majority of people would benefit from.
 
Hey- someone PMed me asking for more details, but I am unable to return PMs until I reach bluelighter status (no idea how to do that), so I'll just post my response here, as this was the thread referenced.

XXXXXXX said:
Hey caltrain, I read your post in the dark side about being either an addict or a depressive and I would love to hear more about how you learned to deal with your personal problems and find solutions to these problems.

I've become more and more concerned with my use lately and I've been having "moments of clarity" where I realize everything I've been doing lately is getting high, mostly on opiates and recently mephedrone. At the worst/best of these moments, I realize that I've been hurting the people I love. It is because of this that I need to reevaluate my life, stop using and learn to deal with my problems.

So, how'd you do it?

Hey XXXXXXX!
All it took to recover from my active addiction were several simple steps. The first step for me was admitting defeat and unmanageability over drugs. My experience had proven time and time again that I could not control my using, and my life was becoming progressively worse. Being convinced that my hedonistic temperament was slowly killing me, I looked toward the experience of others who had recovered, and found hope. So long as I was willing to believe recovery is possible and that there is another way of living beside doing what feels good right away, I knew I could recover just as others had. I then made a decision to follow suggestions from others and start doing the work it takes to recover; doing what I know I should be doing rather than what I want to do. This meant facing a lot of my fears, with complete faith that so long as I did the work, everything would be alright.

Next I took an honest look at my life, examining the anger I had toward others, toward society and institutions, and toward principles such as greed. It had become quite clear that I was unable to do much of anything about many resentments I had, all I could do was accept that things were the way they were, and move on. I was no longer a victim of life. Instead, I was able to see clearly where I had been responsible, which is wonderful, because I'm able to change things I'm responsible for. I then examined my fears, focusing on the futility of them, followed by an examination of my (very limited) conduct in sexual/romantic relationships, because sex is a natural, integral aspect of human nature. Next I wrote a sexual ideal, something to work toward. I then listed my attributes.

Since I had made the decision to do whatever it took to recover and follow suggestions, I shared my whole life story; the good and the bad with a recovered addict who I felt I could trust. This process formalized the decision I had made to do what I was supposed to do instead of what I want to do. Every person has a different idea of what they should be doing with their lives. Sharing my story with another individual helped me to shape what I should be doing closely to what we should be doing, as addicts, to recover from addiction. Being aware of the aspects of my character that were holding me back, I became willing to discard the behaviors in my life that weren't working for me, and focus my attributes toward doing what I am supposed to be doing, rather than what I want to do. For example, if I were using my creativity to figure out how to get drugs and get high, I instead focused my creativity on something that would be more beneficial to me in the long term; using this power to do what I should be doing, rather than what feels good right now. I shared with the addict that had recovered that I was ready to get rid of my unhelpful behaviors and focus my useful behaviors toward recovering from my addiction.

I then wrote down all the people or institutions I had harmed in the past and prepared to make up for the past as I can. When all the harm was down on paper, I no longer had to have it on my mind. I went out and made right all this shit I had done in my past and felt bad about. It was really eating me up. I was careful not to cause more harm in doing so. I am still working to make up up for the damage I caused in the past. Each time I am able to clear something up a weight is lifted off of me.

The next few steps are those I do every day to keep from slipping back into active addiction. I examine my day at night, evaluating whether or not I have been acting toward my best interests. If I am upset about something or have a new sexual encounter, I write this down and analyze it, because somewhere along the way to adulthood I never learned to evaluate my actions. In the morning, I like to set a little time out to plan my day. I consider what would be best for me and others overall, and make a daily commitment to do what I am supposed to be doing. At the end of the day I also try to review my day and see how the process of setting and working toward goals has been working in my life, which reinforces the process of recovery. The final step I take whenever possible to maintain my recovery and happiness is by reaching out to others suffering from addiction and offer my support. At first I didn't see the purpose but I have come to feel a sense of duty to return the favor, as it has been given to me so freely. I have learned that I really do care about how others are doing, and nothing brightens my day like seeing someone hopeless, lonely, and desperate find a little relief. It's the greatest feeling in the world. I feel valuable like I never have.


So basically, I worked the 12 steps with a sponsor. My preferred fellowship is Alcoholics Anonymous, though I also attend Narcotics Anonymous. I find AA has a stronger message and a higher success rate. The people in AA just seem to be more free to me, and they do help you to recover from drug addiction, though the primary purpose is recovery from alcohol. If you would like to learn more, the full text of the "Big Book" of AA is available here: http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/ Please, feel free to contact me if you have any questions at all. Many people have preconceptions about the program. Take care! Good luck!
 
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