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devilsnight

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I took MDMA for the first time last Thursday. A 100mg pill. I dropped again twice on Sunday (150mg at 8pm; 100mg at 1am). Now I have another event where all my friends will be dropping tomorrow night. I really want to but I'm not sure if it's a good idea. It would be the last time I drop for at least 3 months.
 
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I am not sure if you are aware of this but MDMA acts by releasing the body's own stored serotonin in one go, this is why you feel all of that euphoria and love. The body takes forever to create its own serotonin again, a period of 2-4 weeks before the levels will be back to where they were. The slow synthesis of natural serotonin is what prevents you from rolling that often, it has nothing to do with tolerance in a standard sense so simply doing more will not over come this effect. I highly and strongly recommend against this as you will experience negative side effects such as "brain zaps" and depression for a while afterwards.

Then there is the whole "losing the magic" thing which does happen. I would not do this and wait the 3 months, you have already gone over board by doing it twice in one week I would not want to further harm myself by doing more and feeling almost nothing.
 
szuko000 said:
The slow synthesis of natural serotonin is what prevents you from rolling that often
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another point is that mdma inhibits the key enzyme responsible for serotonin biosynthesis. so an already slow process becomes even slower the more mdma you've taken in the last week(s).

one month should be the bare minimum between rolls.
 
Good advice given here. Eventually you get to a point where you are just damaging seratonin receptors. You won't feel the empathy, love, and euphoria you should be experiencing in a good roll. You will essentially just be frying your brain.

It really does take a long while to recover from ecstasy abuse. I do think there is a point you reach with this drug where the damage is irreversible. Not that your mind won't adapt, eventually not noticing the brain changes anymore. Just that it happens. Drugs will change you. Ime you will always come back, but may or may not be completely the same. It's really easy to lose yourself. Not so easy to find your way back. You catch my drift I am sure.
 
Yeah I've done it too many times and don't recommend ever. The fun ends quick, enough said.

With mdma less is more for sure.
Quality over quanity.
When something is that powerful and feels that good there's no way we can live that high all the time, it will suck the happy of you.
 
I've got friends who've been dropping at least once or twice a week since the start of the year, maybe longer. With a couple of weeks break maybe once or twice, if that. I don't even know how they're still functioning. They don't really seem like anything is wrong, but I only really see those friends when I'm going out clubbing, and haven't talked to them about how they feel personally. They certainly aren't the same people I met 12 months ago (I moved town), but it's hard to pin down exactly what's changed in them, they just seem generally very different. When they're sober they seem kinda like they're on MDMA a little bit, and when they're on MDMA they seem way more sober than you'd expect someone on MDMA to be... but the difference in how they act between those two states is quite small. I definitely would not recommend using MDMA often at all, even once a month for three month stints about twice a year has given me some noticeable (although temporary) problems. I think the potential for MDMA to harm an individuals mental state is really underplayed, from now on I'm certainly a once every 6-12 months guy.
 
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I once spent 2 weeks on mdma with dayly increasing dosages up to insane levels. It looses it's magic fast, true. But I did not experience depression or any negative side effects like brainzaps (never from mdma actually, maybe I'm speciul^^). But The other posters are totally right, less is more with this substance in terms of frequency. Maybe find some non-serotogenergic substance, something amphe-like, for the next party and let your brain recover for a while. Or party sober (...hahaha...).
 
beniceman said:
I once spent 2 weeks on mdma with dayly increasing dosages up to insane levels. It looses it's magic fast, true. But I did not experience depression or any negative side effects like brainzaps (never from mdma actually, maybe I'm speciul^^)
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Consider yourself VERY LUCKY.

devilsnight: how about some LSD? they work on different areas. However, the LSD also requires ~1 month between doses...
 
nightElf said:
Consider yourself VERY LUCKY.

devilsnight: how about some LSD? they work on different areas. However, the LSD also requires ~1 month between doses...
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Wrong. With LSD you only need a few days between doses (tolerance rises and falls very quickly).
LSD doesn't fry your brain like MDMA does. Physically speaking it's quite harmless - if you can handle it psychologically then there's really nothing stopping you from tripping a couple of times per week.
If I took MDMA nearly as often as I take 2C-E and LSD then I'd be fucking braindead by now.
 
beniceman said:
But I did not experience depression or any negative side effects like brainzaps (never from mdma actually, maybe I'm speciul^^).
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Neither did I or many other people I know irl. Not sure if they ever had brain zaps specifically though. I think the negatives are blown up here, because I have abused this substance to hell and back and I can't find anything that changed for the worse. Neither can anyone around me that is close to me either. In fact, besides the people I dropped with, none of them would've ever known I abused mdma or any other substance until I told them.

I don't think I'm lucky either. I'll take a guess and say there are millions out there that are in the same boat. This substance has been popular since the early 90's (?), and it's growing by the day.

There's also no evidence of brain damage, which has been thoroughly talked about and exhausted here on BL and lots of other sites. Depression, memory problems and other mental deficits are real from the use/abuse of mdma, but again, this happens to a minority of users. I'd bet a lot of money on that.
 
^i agree^ not saying you shouldn't be scared of the negatives, just wanted to say that I've tried pretty much everything and I'm confident that I've always bounced back. The only thing I've really noticed is that the "hangover" tends to last longer with more abuse(obviously)

I also agree with everyone saying that it isn't worth it to drop more than once a month. The high becomes so mild that you'll wish you didn't waste your money.

That being said, just drink some liquor if you want to have a good time around some buddies who are rolling.

Ps. Test that shit cuz I'm talking about MDMA and I'd bet my life savings that a lot of the RC's out there will destroy your brain if you over do it.
 
Kl519 said:
Neither did I or many other people I know irl. Not sure if they ever had brain zaps specifically though. I think the negatives are blown up here, because I have abused this substance to hell and back and I can't find anything that changed for the worse. Neither can anyone around me that is close to me either. In fact, besides the people I dropped with, none of them would've ever known I abused mdma or any other substance until I told them.

I don't think I'm lucky either. I'll take a guess and say there are millions out there that are in the same boat. This substance has been popular since the early 90's (?), and it's growing by the day.

There's also no evidence of brain damage, which has been thoroughly talked about and exhausted here on BL and lots of other sites. Depression, memory problems and other mental deficits are real from the use/abuse of mdma, but again, this happens to a minority of users. I'd bet a lot of money on that.
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I've done more than my fair share of serious abuse and so did a lot of my friends and I have to agree with you in part, real bad side-effects seem to much less common in real life than on this forum. Especially the long-term ones. That's probably in part due to people that do experience side-effects seeking out bluelight though. Brain zaps on the other hand I had myself a few times, each time after very serious abuse, multiple days in a row and things like that. They're pretty alarming when they occur since it's a very odd sensation. Not really pain, just a very odd feeling
 
Kl519 said:
Neither did I or many other people I know irl. Not sure if they ever had brain zaps specifically though. I think the negatives are blown up here, because I have abused this substance to hell and back and I can't find anything that changed for the worse. Neither can anyone around me that is close to me either. In fact, besides the people I dropped with, none of them would've ever known I abused mdma or any other substance until I told them.
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Some people are not aware that their symptoms are linked to the MDMA they take. For example, my BF had sudden vertigo (like the whole world spins in a second), and he has the feel of the heartbeat, like tachycardia, but his heart is perfect. He did not know that those symptoms are linked to MDMA (ab)use. We don't have a brochure to read the "wrong side" of the drug we are taking. I was not aware either, and I also had them. I'm pretty sure that if we ask around other users that consume the substance, we might get a surprise for the amount of people that are actually suffering the consequences without knowing.

AA357 said:
Wrong. With LSD you only need a few days between doses (tolerance rises and falls very quickly).
LSD doesn't fry your brain like MDMA does. Physically speaking it's quite harmless - if you can handle it psychologically then there's really nothing stopping you from tripping a couple of times per week.
If I took MDMA nearly as often as I take 2C-E and LSD then I'd be fucking braindead by now.
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Ah! Thanks, I was not aware of that!
 
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nightElf said:
Some people are not aware that their symptoms are linked to the MDMA they take. For example, my BF had sudden vertigo (like the whole world spins in a second), and he has the feel of the heartbeat, like tachycardia, but his heart is perfect. He did not know that those symptoms are linked to MDMA (ab)use. We don't have a brochure to read the "wrong side" of the drug we are taking. I was not aware either, and I also had them. I'm pretty sure that if we ask around other users that consume the substance, we might get a surprise for the amount of people that are actually suffering the consequences without knowing.
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Some people don't get negative symptoms, except for maybe being unable to sleep, dry mouth, or anything long term or past the roll. It's that simple. And from all the years I've rolled and having met a lot of different people, it certainly appears that the majority are doing fine. I know for certain at least 20+ are doing well, as if they never rolled all those years ago.

In other words, not once have I seen the majority of users suffering from mdma, especially when talking about it on the long term scale. In reality, I haven't seen or met one person who complained about its supposed long term negative effects.

Most of my friends are just as knowledgeable as I am, if not more, so they are well aware of the positives and negatives of mdma use. I actually learned the basics from them too. I don't think people need a brochure to know; both sides of the coin are well documented everywhere.

There's no way to quantify this, for either side of the argument really. But I'm confident enough to put something on the line for mine. Also, how do you know mdma is the sole cause of your problems? It seems that most people affected so negatively had a lot of negatives in their lives before they even used mdma. It may well have brought out certain problems for you and others, but there are most definitely other factors at play that are tied to your susceptibility. People can have the type of problems described in that thread without ever having taken mdma (yes, I already read most of that thread).

So while mdma might've been part of the problem, it's not the whole story either. This is why myself and so many others are doing well even after extensive use/abuse. Short term problems like lack of sleep and weight loss, well, you have no argument from me there.
 
Thats a really stupid claim and TBH sounds like someone in denail... Those longterm effect have medically proven (example http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071023/)
The issues caused start out small but can escalate overtime... Its not because u have some friends that seem to be doing ok for now that mdma is harmless LOL... your brain must be already fried with that logic.

Just look at the forum and u'll see many well documented cases of MDMA abuse and what it did to the abuser.

Probably you dont even feel anything anymore when u take some pills, no more euphoria or love feeling... watch out for serotin syndrome bro, takes months to recover from that.
 
Lol, so I guess resorting to name calling makes you that much more intelligent, right? It's also funny how you keep referencing the same study over and over. You never learn, do you?

Looks like you have trouble reading. And it also seems like you have a bad case of failing to figure out someone you don't know. Btw, anecdotal reports aren't considered to be documented without proof.

If you are who I think you are, you should watch what you say. I know you're too immature to hold your tongue, but you should do so out of dignity and respect for yourself.

Whatever you think, lol. It doesn't matter what I say, you're going to believe what you want so keep doing what you're doing, you creepy weirdo. When you finally grow up some, maybe you'll see that you might need to get a life and obsess over something else.

Edit: I got name called, so I'm giving it back. You're an idiot because you are purposely being ignorant. Even I thought you were smarter than that.

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_neurotoxicity3.shtml

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retracted_article_on_dopaminergic_neurotoxicity_of_MDMA

http://www.maps.org/research-archive/mdma/studyresponse.html

A 6th grader can use Google and act like they're smart. So I don't get why you think you're all that. On top of that, you're doing it wrong. It baffles me how you can even think of calling anyone else stupid. Pro tip: judge yourself before you judge others. Maybe then, you'd be willing to improve yourself, and therefore become a happier person. Inevitably, you wouldn't feel the need to verbally attack others online and be able to enjoy your life like a normal person.
 
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Wow, I think you got me mixed up with someone else. Since when is calling a claim stupid a verbal insult?
true there hasnt been done longterm human research.. the drug is fairly new but we have many anecdotal evidence, wich is not the best, but looking past it because you have some friends who are OK for now is just stupid.

pro tip: go see a shrink
 
So you think saying a claim is stupid isn't an insult? Or saying my brain was fried with that logic? lol. You don't even know what you say anymore.

You bs so much that I wouldn't be surprised if you were made of crap. Keep reaching, eventually you might get something right. You are pathetic for someone who is supposed to be a legal adult. I can't believe you are this pampered...

It's not just friends, lol. The anecdotal reports on a small recovery thread consisting of mostly the same users over time is "many," to you, of course. There are "many" anecdotal reports to the contrary, but of course you don't want to see that.

Did you ignore the links too, not to mention tons of sources that discredited many purported negative effects associated with mdma use? Of course you did, because that was my proof you couldn't argue back against as to why it's definitely possible how myself and others are doing fine. Idk how dumber you can be when I clearly stated that it can happen but that it happens to a minority of users. I think it is clear who is the one more likely to be suffering from mental damage between me and you. (Hint: I don't follow you or give a crap about you, because I don't like you. Think about why you're following me, and how "logical" that is).

And then you tell me I need to see a shrink, when it is clear to many here how many usernames or alter egos you come up with to suit your eccentric needs. You who doesn't have a life, Google's all day trying to find anything as ammo, most likely doesn't have anything else to do and commits acts of hatred for the fun of it. And the sad thing is: you think you're mature and better than others. I really pity you; I was light years ahead of that at your age, but I still didn't think I was much of anything.

You try to rip whatever you can (right, steamboat ricuarte jr?) through all these different names because of the audience that's here and elsewhere. Your hatred reeks and makes you an ugly person. I regret ever having been nice or polite to you at all, and trust me you won't be getting anything like that again.

Nobody likes you and nobody trusts you because you have an agenda of bias and hatred, as well as fear monger so consistently that you think I'm the only one who figured you out? That's like wearing a different mask but then wearing the same shirt every time. You spew bs all day long, verbally attack others (or me, mostly...again, under how many different names?) and then wonder what's wrong with everyone else. Is that normal to you?

You clutter so many threads with your egotistical drivel that I hate stooping to your dirt level. I'm not going to keep going back and forth, so PM me or confront me unless you're too scared. Otherwise I'm going to report your senseless hate posts every time and neither will I be acknowledging your posts again.
 
If you want to debate, go right ahead, but stick to facts and reasoning please. I'll leave the replies up since it's not all personal attacks, there are useful parts too, but any further ad hominems will be hidden in their entirety. If you have a problem with another user, report the post you have a problem with and if needed something will be done about it or take it to PM, don't fight it out on the forum. It clutters threads that could otherwise produce some interesting conversation :)
 
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