drinking after medical detox?

wooger

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So I did a medical detox with librium a few months ago now... it was okay...

I know it sounds really really foolish but I am going to this think tonight where drinking seems to be mandatory...

if I were to have a few drinks tonight would I go through withdrawal of any kind? or would I just have a hangover like a regular drinker?

I have plenty of xanax around the house if that would help... thanks...
 
wooger said:
seems to be mandatory...
Please explain this.

wooger said:
if I were to have a few drinks tonight would I go through withdrawal of any kind? or would I just have a hangover like a regular drinker?
A single drinking incident is extremely unlikely to put one back in physical dependence. How many people who have been through medical detox and can drink again without their use re-escalating to the point of physical dependence is not something that there are easy numbers about. It is a risk while abstinence carries zero risk. In your gut are you feeling like you want a lot of people here to give you an injunction by posting "Don't drink!" or are you hoping we will give you permission by posting "Dude, its a one time thing, just be careful."

If your highest value is to never end up in detox again you probably won't do it. I haven't been to a supervised detox or treatment yet but I know that in a binge the voice inside me saying its gone to far and it needs to stop can go unheeded. I also can not easily tell when a binge is coming up.

I do believe in people who are choosing to use setting some rules to keep things sane. No driving, never the next morning, never two days in a row, only two weekends a month. If a drug or alcohol has ever become center stage in one's life it could become so again. We have enough stories to know some people never succeed in cultivating moderate and sustainable use of some substances.
 
I've been through the detox process with chlordiazepoxide too, and you can drink afterwards.
It's entirely up to you, but you need to ask yourself if drinking again is worth it.
I went 14 months without a drink, then decided to have the odd social drink, and ended up back at square one.
If you think you're strong enough to avoid that, go for it, just be careful.
Good luck, and have a good night.
 
well, I have a VERY difficult time articulating myself, and don't feel comfortable in my own skin to be honest.. alcohol seems to take away all the apprehensive and allows me to do (or leads me to believe) that it is helping me out...

anyway... I was gunna spend some time talking with a girl later and I am very nervous about it (we used to go out years ago) and feel I need some drinks to calm me down and make me more gregarious - probably why i was drinking so much in the first place amongst other things 9anxiety and depression mainly)

I'm just wondering, if I do it just this one night, I'm not gunna become physically dependant again am i? cus I can tell you that was fucking hell on earth!!
 
You have not drunk alcohol for about two months. A single night of drinking if not continued is extremely unlikely to cause withdrawal like one has in detox.

One theory of hangovers that is pretty credible is that hang overs in part are withdrawal symptoms in part. The body/brain does have to shift gears, re-regulate receptors, and the like after a bender. You will not have withdrawal from one night like someone who has been continually drinking for weeks or longer. If you stay minimal on quantity you likely won't even have the hang over which may or may not be considered withdrawal.
 
oky thanks for all your input - what about benzos - I know they are cross tolerent? I have been taking alot of benzos this past week or so

im such a fucking druggie :(:(
 
those were my thoughts exactly, (had 5mg today) and still felt all antsy - so im gunna save for the rest for the hangover to try and minimise the shock (if any) to my receptors)

I hate myself :(
 
I've been through the detox process with chlordiazepoxide too, and you can drink afterwards.
It's entirely up to you, but you need to ask yourself if drinking again is worth it.
I went 14 months without a drink, then decided to have the odd social drink, and ended up back at square one.
If you think you're strong enough to avoid that, go for it, just be careful.
Good luck, and have a good night.

well done on the 14 months tho! THATS AMAZING
 
Maybe just eat some of those xanax to ease your nerves?

^ This is exactly what I was thinking.

You're going to risk disaster, and I do use the word 'disaster' as you, yourself, know how bad WD/detox/addiction is, and that slope can be quite slippery. Risk all of that to be able to talk better with some girl? Perhaps a risk worth taking if there was some guaranteed reward for that one night, but I don't really see that with alcohol. It's just not that good of a drug. You'll probably have an okay night, drink more than you indended (because heck, it will feel good again after your break) and then wake up the next morning relearning what a hangover is (I say this because when you become dependent, you don't really get "hangovers" in the regular sense...it's more like a round-the-clock war) and then finding yourself thinking "should I?" "a second day couldn't lead to dependence, right?" or "my sober streak's snapped...why care now?" later that next day.

Or you could go to the party and everything would go as planned and you would not drink again for months on end. But I just don't think it's worth risking it. Being sober is such a beautiful thing after struggling with alcoholism.

I'd take the Xanax before the party and try and be good off of that. Save a few at home in case you do have a bad time (apart from alcohol) and need something to help you sleep it off.
 
As already mentioned there's a big risk involved and it's not possible to predict the outcome beforehand.

My view is that to change a pattern of substance use it is necessary to change the original factors that were causing the dependence in the first place. You're able to recognize that your reason for wanting to drink is to feel more comfortable and be more social and that this is likely the reason why you used to drink so much. If you are able to feel comfortable and socialize without alcohol then there's less likelihood of becoming dependent again but still no guarantees.

And there's no need to hate yourself whether you decide to drink or not.
 
Wooger this is coming from someone who loves drugs but really truely despises alcohol like nothing else. There is a point when I am drinking, maybe after 2-3 drinks where my tummy gets this warm alcohol feeling, and usually within minutes after I feel this "detach" in my functioning. When that initial buzz kicks in. Its like this noticeable hazy shield I get in my brain. I feel calm/cool and whatever. But I find that I immediately begin thinking in a very stupid way. Like I'll feel almost like I'm 5 years old again its hard to explain. And I hate the fact that if I need to think about something logically with a clear head, no matter how hard I try on alcohol I can NOT. And I can't tell you how much I fucking despise that feeling. Alcohol is just too sloppy for me to ever really enjoy. Its unpredictable and drunk people are experts at making asses of themselves which is the main thing I despise about alcohol. I never acted like that on opiates before.

I've had many fun drunken nights and drank hundreds of times in my life, but I can still sit here and tell you I honestly hate alcohol. And the only reason I've done it is like you said it helps you open up and not give a shit about your behavoir. But waking up in the morning with a hangover and remembering all the stupid things I said and did the night before is what really puts shudders through my body with alcohol. That it will make me say and do things that are simply not me.

So realize that "relaxed" (more so inebriated) feeling is still NOT YOU. You will be around tons of people who don't care, will be drunk and happy, but these people didn't need to live on alcohol at any point in their lives just to survive. And man I can not tell you how depressing alcohol is. Sure if I only have a few, I can be a bit stimulated and happy but I'm a balls to the wall type person. I always gotta have a lot cause it equals "more fun" right? Yeh right. Like pissing your own pants and vomiting all over a dance floor is fun.

I suggest you find something else that can disinhibit you with out causing such adverse effects. And honestly I'll straight up tell you I don't think you belong around alcohol or ANY EVENT that has alcohol at it only 2 months after an ALCOHOL DETOX ffs. It was not too long ago I was posting a thread on here about how I just wanted to use pods "one more time". I was so confident and so sure that thats all it would be. All I had to do was not take it again the following day. But what you don't understand is after you make that decision your confidence will make a huge shift as well as your thought process. You may likely feel like shit about yourself (or if you become overly confident thats even worse), hung over, maybe you did some dumb shit the night before maybe not, but trust me when I say SOMETHING & I DON'T KNOW WHAT will lead you back to drinking the following day.

Addiction is absolutely not that easy to beat. It is not fucking worth it. And look its not even that fun. I can't tell you what it is about alcohol that urks me so much I think its all the alcoholics that live around me in this town. Man some of those people are more fucked up than crackheads. One guy is missing BOTH of his arms from a car crash. Walks around carrying things in his mouth the hole day and asking people to open doors. Then another lady alcoholic that drove her car right into my brothers nissan cause she was drunk. Totalled it. Guess what happens the next year? I have my car parked in the same spot and a drunk teenage girl totals my fucking car.

Alcohol is an evil evil drug. I would much rather prefer these opiate addiction over an alcohol addiction I know how opiates are looked down on but they still allow me to function and alcohol does not.

There are LOTS of things you can take to disinhibit you w/out dealing with those repercussions.
Kanna leaf is a very prosocial drug. No wds. You will feel even better than if you were drunk. No shitty hangover, it makes you talk talk talk talk and it can make you the center of attention. Good kanna leaf is excellent for social events.

A mix of l-tyro, l-taurine, l-theanine and vitamin b-6 although not as strong as kanna will still relax you quite a bit and make socializing much easier. Mix in some fresh passion flower leaf and then you got something that will feel stronger than a valium, with no side effects or bs to deal with.

Tramadol is also a great social drug buts its an opiate so obviously theres wds to deal with.

But xanax I never really found to be a "social drug". It doesn't really make you talk it just makes you slow, numbed out and calm. Take too much and it can quickly become an antisocial drug slurring and drueling all over yourself.

Lyrica is pretty decent as a social drug much better than xanax imo. I hear it has wds although I don't imagine them to be that bad. But lyrica is definitely another one of those drugs that just makes me talk talk talk and I can enjoy myself and have a good time no matter where I am.

I KNOW what you mean about that social anxiety but you really need more resources, more ways to do one thing. You can't just rely on alcohol all the time its going to eventually corrode your body and mind and put you in a nasty fucking depression. Alcohol is shit. Please find something else to do. And I will tell you this if you like alcohol it would be too easy to trade for a benzo habit. Be careful with those xanax. Take them only when you really need a parties and what not for socializing. Not on regular days imo unless you really have an anxiety problem.

And most of all good luck. If you DO drink don't fucking beat yourself up over that shit. I'm not gonna look down on you and anyone who does is a dirtbag imo. You have a very obvious medical illness. Your body is going to obviously try everything it can to get you to drink. Even though its been a couple months its still really nothing in terms of addiction. Try to fight it and if you don't want to fight it, I honestly wouldn't even go to whatever this social event is. And if friends/relatives get mad tell them you don't feel comfortable being around alcohol cause you're an alcoholic. They WILL respect that trust me. Much more than giving in to the temptation.

I can't even tell you now how many offers I turn down to go to a bar or club and drink with friends/get drunk. Well I don't turn down offers anymore really cause noone calls me lol. They know I hate drinking. But I still do have my crutches. Which is why I can't and won't judge you. But I can say I did this just like 6 months ago, used one time, and I'm telling you the second you use that phrase "fuck it" comes storming right into your head. Not the phrase "control or maintain it". Cause if thats how are minds worked we would have never became addicts/alcoholics in the first place.

Good luck!!! If it was me like I said I wouldn't even go.


This post was amazing and insightful!! but being the naive imbecile I am, i did drink and made a fool of myself in front of my parents, then had a fucking SHIT day today, car crash (no one was hurt) and arguments with family about last nights behaviour.... my dad chucked all my benzos out after he saw the state I was in last night - damnit!!

I still have some alcohol left and I am so tempted to polish it off. I did try all the healthy eating and exercises and all that jazz and yes my mood was lifted somewhat but there was still a massive hole there :(

It's actually been 4 months since I did my detox and I had barely even thought about alcohol until recently 9 I def agree benzos increase cravings for alcohol!!)

anyway - i Know this is a ridiculous question and shows how stupid and addicted I am but I seem to have got away with no withdrawal today, so would it be the same if I polised off the rest - i.e. no withdrawal tommorow? I've just had such a fucking shitty day. *idiot*
 
Regardless of withdrawal or not, based on the consequences of your drinking yesterday it would not make sense for anybody to suggest that you do so again.

You wanted to know how you would react to alcohol after a period of abstinence. This is completely understandable and I did the same thing with other substances after having quit for a long time. Now you have your answer. Behaviour that you regret and increased cravings the next day. Whether the car crash was related to being hungover or not only you can say.

If you continue to drink each day because you feel bad and wonder if one more day will lead to physical withdrawal, then eventually you will get to that point again.
 
you speak the truth....


I guess I just miss being able to drink like a regular person...but clearly me and my fucked up so called brain cant do that...

guess the rest has to be chucked out :(
 
^Of course you do :(...I know its hard but you are not alone in this wooger. Know its annoying to point out the obvious but nevertheless; if it ruins your quality of life, as it clearly does, then you dont need that drama/pain. <3
 
those were my thoughts exactly, (had 5mg today) and still felt all antsy - so im gunna save for the rest for the hangover to try and minimise the shock (if any) to my receptors)

I hate myself :(


5mg is a pretty big dose and if you are still feeling antsy on that you are really going to have to get shtfaced on booze. Personally, I wouldn't want to go to a reunion and leave an impression like that. Nerves surrounding positive life events are a good thing man, it makes us better people.

edit - hangovers are technically withdrawal if you believe what they say.
 
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