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Dried Poppy pod potency ?

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MikeMercury

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Does anyone know how much alkaloids are contained in an average sized, dried poppy pod ? (No seeds)
I just want to have a wild rough guess to give me some focus. Can alkaloids be measured like say codeine in a tablet ? I don't know.
But I was wondering if there are 8 / 16 / 32 codeine in tablets what's the figure for average sized pods ?
I'm talking about the potential contained in the whole pod.

As I said, no need for specifics or explanations, just a very rough average would do. Thanks for reading.
 
I'm looking for a very rough average estimate to go on ..that's all. Not titrate batches whatever that means .
If there isn't an answer , even a guess, just let me know. An average pod ...from an average place. A very rough estimate if indeed any estimate is available .

I don't need any other information.
 
Thanx for your reply . So it's impossible to give even the roughest of guess estimates ? As I'm in the U.K. I imagine that most pods here are European ?
can they even be estimated ? It's just a matter of curiosity ...that's all.
I don't even know what the alkaloids contain for certain ... only assuming they have a value within the pod.
 
It depends entirely upon your source of pods.

But I'm in the UK and have grown them and also collected them from the wild, and I find that 10 - 12 pods gives me a strong buzz for 24 hours or so. I don't currently have an opiate tolerance, but have been dependent upon heroin in the past.


Therefore, if you're using UK grown pods, I'd recommend starting with no more than 5 and see how that goes.

There is no way of providing an equivalent in codeine tablets as the pods contain morphine, codeine, thebaine, papaverine and other alkaloids that all 'colour' the experience.



Take care and have fun.
 
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Thanx so much for the info. I guess it's an unanswerable question ?

By the way...I tried growing them in my garden but to no avail. Then I wondered if the seeds are damaged with dried pods I got them from as I think they're heated to dry them ?
 
MikeMercury said:
Thanx so much for the info. I guess it's an unanswerable question ?

By the way...I tried growing them in my garden but to no avail. Then I wondered if the seeds are damaged with dried pods I got them from as I think they're heated to dry them ?
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It is indeed an unanswerable question.

Growing them can be tricky at first, even with viable seeds.

When I first started, I sowed thousands of seeds and only one germinated. But poppies seem to thrive where poppies have grown before, so with each successive year, your yield will increase.

After about three years, I was getting hundreds of self seeded poppies in the same patch of ground year after year.

Best to sow them around November time as the freeze/thaw action over winter aids germination and results in a nice early start come spring.
 
Thanx again for your reply and info. So frustrating when you see red poppies growing under street lamps etc and around car parks. Damp England not the best place to grow them either. There used to be farm dried flower supplier around Shropshire, M. who supplied for years then just stopped last February and I cannot find out why,
 
Gauging potency of dried post is very difficult, it varies wildly, we can't try to answer an unanswerable question, but we can look at some numbers here.
Poppy straw, the dried pods and first inches of stem may contain, in weight, from 0,1 % ( almost no morphine) up to 2,6% or more in the case of super potent pharma grade pods. The usual morphine content in wild pods ranges from 0,3% to 1%( aprox). Comercial brands of ornamental Papaver s. vary a lot, also: you have german Zeno Morphex and other practically morphine free brands, other weak but active ones like Danish Flag, regular ones like Hens&chickens and then you have others than can yield an awesome 1,6% like certain hungarian strains with some imposible magyar names.

Now, a medium sized pod without seeds weighs (more or less) a gram. So it may contain (more or less) anywhere from almost nothing like 1 or 2 mg morph (or less) to a important dose of almost 30 mg in the strongest pharma brands. As said, wild pods often contain 0,3/ 0,4% to 1%, so from 3 to 10 morphine mg per pod. That numbers match with FUBAR's experience of getting high on 10 pods from the wild in an atlantic enviroment, known to yield less than mediterranean ones, so he could be taking like say 0,5% to 0,7/0,8 % pods for a total dose of 50 mg to 70 or 80mg, coherent with the needs of an non currently dependent but seasoned ex user, with memory in his receptors, to get high from oral morphine.

You need to play safe and assume that the pods are strong and start slow. They may dissapoint you, but a dissapointment is better that doing too much. Pods are extremely long lasting and if you overdo them, you will be bad and it won't be over in two hours.
 
Senor, many many thanx for your very detailed and very enlightening information. Goodness knows how you got this but I'm grateful for you passing it on.
This gives me an idea now whereas before I hadn't a clue and this is good.
Not a beginner but it's time I had some more information and cleared some vague misty assumptions.
I think good information is extremely important to everyone ...the more you know..the safer you are.
But I'll say this, I'm old and have new ailments every week. Some are bad.
Of everything medicine wise I've been given ...nothing and I mean nothing ...relieves and gives me peace and less side effects than the subject in question.
Thanx again for your time and help.
 
You are welcome, @MikeMercury. I am happy to share and obtain any info here in BL

I feel you about pods helping your pain.

I don't know if you are aware about the UPOV, an intergubernamental vegetal production protection system, based in Switherland.
I suggest you to google their UPOV TG/166/4 report, dated April 9th 2014.
It verses about papaver somniferum production.
It's a very useful tool to identify some varieties.
Go to table 7 and there you have like 30 or 35 characteristics of the different brands, charateristic n° 29 is morphine content ( they only talk about low, medium, high or very high, not % data).
You would learn about some unknown brands, not the typical Giganteum, Hens, Lauren's grape, etc.
Just a tip: you will be tempted to find Blue Buddha, as it's very potent, but don't: vendors know it all and they often scam people sending the much cheaper and prevalent bakery seed poppy Hungarian Blue, very similar to the eye but not comparation morphine content wise.

I am only talking about a science report, not vendors' sites or prices. They are all legal items, comercial brands that can be legally purchased, but I don't fancy that somehow someone could see it as sourcing; you know that there are many eyes reading on BL and not all of them are friendly, you know.

You also can google more general things like " morphine content in ornamental poppies" or something like that, and you will find articles from the most unexpected places from Estonia to Japan. Look for studies on Indian pharma opium production also.

I hope that you can benefit from that kind of reports and studies.
Good luck
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
It depends entirely upon your source of pods.

But I'm in the UK and have grown them and also collected them from the wild, and I find that 10 - 12 pods gives me a strong buzz for 24 hours or so. I don't currently have an opiate tolerance, but have been dependent upon heroin in the past.


Therefore, if you're using UK grown pods, I'd recommend starting with no more than 5 and see how that goes.

There is no way of providing an equivalent in codeine tablets as the pods contain morphine, codeine, thebaine, papaverine and other alkaloids that all 'colour' the experience.



Take care and have fun.
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I appreciate your growing in the Uk. Seems to me that's where I have saw alot of the good seeds. I've not been able to get them to grow properly here in the states and assumed the climate is not wet enough here. I have had luck with seeds indigenous to Appalachia. I'd love to have my own field to stroll through. Do you grow from your own seed? Uk blues is what I have experience with but it seems its getting harder to find. I have had some chicks and hen's come in that were of good quality from Uk also. I wish I could figure out the growing requirements.
 
I wish I could figure out the growing requirements.
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I have some good news for you: There is a wealth of information and guides across many websites, forums, and even on YouTube. There are guides for growing in all kinds of climates and conditions, including indoor grows. All easily accessible on the clear web.

Because ornamental poppies are popular (heh) for gardeners who simply appreciate their aesthetics, there is loads of info on how to grow them and this info applies to strains which are high in alkaloids too.

A search for something like "germinating poppy seeds in <climate>" or "how to grow opium poppies" will turn up shitloads of results. Good luck with it!
 
Ren+ Boy said:
I appreciate your growing in the Uk. Seems to me that's where I have saw alot of the good seeds. I've not been able to get them to grow properly here in the states and assumed the climate is not wet enough here. I have had luck with seeds indigenous to Appalachia. I'd love to have my own field to stroll through. Do you grow from your own seed? Uk blues is what I have experience with but it seems its getting harder to find. I have had some chicks and hen's come in that were of good quality from Uk also. I wish I could figure out the growing requirements.
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I believe that their only growing requirement is a well drained soil. Given that, they' seem to grow anywhere.
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
They want plenty sun too. And not to be crowded. So plant them well apart and weed regularly. Choose the spot with the most sun exposure in your garden.
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Yup. I made that mistake. I just threw handfuls of poppy seeds into the dirt thinking most of them wouldn't sprout. How wrong I was. I had hundreds of tiny little poppy plants pop up not long after. But none of them got very big :(
 
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The poor weather conditions throughout most of this years growing season may have been one of the factors rendering my home grown pods very disappointing this time round.

They should or could have great as they were one of the highest alkaloid strains available, but something went very wrong, as I got next to nothing out of them.

I still have a few left, I think next time I'll just consume the whole lot, and see if that does anything at all.

The results were so disappointing that I may not bother growing my own any more, or at least I'll probably give it a miss next year, seeing as it's a lot easier to source decent pods online, and that attracts zero unwanted attention from neighbours etc.

Although I think so far only one set of neighbours have ever figured out what I was growing. But they were weed smokers themselves, so they weren't at all likely to grass me up!

I know it's legal to grow poppies in the UK, and if I had a 100% clean house at all times, I wouldnt have a worry in the world about growing them, but on some occasions that isn't the case, so I cant help but get slightly para about growing them.
 
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