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Dried hawaiians (mushrooms) - experienced - Will this be my last time?

emerald07

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This is the account of a trip that was actually a few weeks ago, but it's taken till now before I could bear to revisit that evening and the memories it brought back. But my outlook on future trips is so muddled, it might help just to write it all down. At around 8pm, in the house sitting at the computer, two of us in an irc channel decided to both trip together. He took some liberties and I had dried hawaiians. Now I traditionally like taking large doses of shrooms/lsd, because I'm very experienced and I have a healthy outlook - ha! - and I feel I can cope - and I like reaching for the stars. But for some ridiculous reason that night, I took half a packet of 10g dried hawaiians which would mean 5g and no fiddling around weighing them. I made sure it was a generous half. On reflection this was pushing it too far .... these were strong, even by hawaiian standards. The seller warned people that the normal recommended dose for a first timer taking these very strong shrooms was 1g dried, or 10g wet. Those he was selling, he advised only about half that! Later on, I also weighed the half I had left which should have been 5g and discovered it was at least 8g in fact. On contacting the seller he admitted to putting an extra few in "for luck" rather than risk any customer accuse him of underweighing them. So in all probability I actually had around between 8 and 9g strong dried hawaiians ..... with hindsight, it doesn't even bear thinking about!

I'd just eaten quite a big meal, so I didn't expect to feel anything for quite some time. But before I'd even finished chomping through them, I was getting not just effects but strong effects! That was when I knew I was in trouble. At first, I managed to look at links to trippy sites and talk to the guy who was also tripping, but within about 20 minutes I couldn't take it. I had to seek out the least trippy environment I could, because things were rapidly spinning out of control. I was grateful to a very experienced guy in a US irc channel who is a brilliant person to talk to in that state. The trouble was my ability to type anything into his query window was leaving me fast. I managed to quote most of a whole psalm from the bible in a programming channel and typed "magick! talk to me, help!" into another irc channel that he wasn't even in. I was frantically panicking as all sense of determining reality and my anchor to this earthly world drifted further and further away. I hadn't time to take in one amazing effect before another crowded in, then before I could process that, another revelation would hit me.

I gave up irc and talked to magick on AIM. Or tried to. I had immense trouble typing fast enough to get across what was happening and why I was so shit scared. He agreed to call me - no inexpensive offer when he probably would have had to talk trans atlantic for hours! But I got stuck in one of these frequent loops that plagued me all night. I needed to talk to this person, but that meant using my phone - and I couldn't think where it was! Even when I did see it across the room, I knew it was too great a task to actually stand up, walk across the room and pick the phone up, much less contemplate receiving a call. It was rather like a badly written "do while" loop in a program that circles round and round forever because no-one told it to update "CurrentWord" which was therefore always going to be less than "TotalWords". These "loops" were incredibly difficult to get out of and I got stuck in them a lot. The flip side of all this frustration and difficulty in functioning was feeling so, so lucky to be allowed this chance to temporarily visit a different supernatural plane. I can't even begin to describe how wondrous, how unbelievable this trip was. The words just don't exist in any human dictionary, and even if they did, what would be the point in trying to get across to people who couldn't know what this was like, just where I was and what was going on inside and outside of my head?

I don't want anyone to think that I had in any way a bad trip - for a start I was on a plane where opposites ceased to exist, so "bad" and "good" were meaningless. Also, aside from a tiny proportion, I would never say any trip was ever 100% bad or 100% good. At this point I didn't even have to look for visuals, they were my whole environment, mentally I even tried pushing them away when they got too much. And the CEV's were just something else. I have never before seen such depth and colour in a kaleidescope of mathematically perfect patterns and been lifted away so far from where my physical body was, simply because I closed my eyes!

Every time I thought this couldn't get any stronger, it did! It was so intense as to be indescribable, so high it made Everest look tiny, and so spititual I no longer have a faith - I *know*! I met my creator and wept at his awesome creations and then I came face to face with the devil and could only bow and worship his equally awesome evillness. I now know what it means to lose every "anchor" with your previous world, to merge so totally with your surroundings you cease to be any different from the stars, the trees and the dogshit at your feet.

In the end I managed to make it upstairs and sat texting someone all night - what was left of it. I was still tripping 10 hours after taking the shrooms and had after effects beyond that. The following morning I felt like I'd made it through a storm. The problem I'm left with though, is where do I go from here? If I contemplate another trip, or come across anyone else tripping, or hear people talk about it, I get churned up inside. It's hard to explain, but I don't feel reconciled to my own experience yet, and it brings back memories. I come out with extreme reactions, which are partly jealousy at other people being able to trip without a care in the world, while I'm stuck in this no-man's land and have been for absolutely ages, as this trip was some time ago now.

I don't know whether I should trip again. I've experienced the unexperiencable, I'm trying to describe the indescribable. I'm failing spectacularly. Just what am I hoping to achieve from another trip? Would I be satisfied with a lesser experience? Yet could I survive another 8g of dried hawaiians? My mind worked so hard that night, just to hold on to my sanity ...... I don't know if I could go through it again. I realise all trips are different and maybe I'd just got a bit complacent, lost a bit of respect for the substance, but even the best of trips is going to be hard work on that sort of dosage.

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It's hard to say... on one hand, if you've gotten the message, you've gotten the message. On the other hand, who's to say it's the only message there is? One thing I can say for sure is that tripping too much is going to be counterproductive. But it might be right for you in the future.

Overall I would say that if it feels right one day, definitely try tripping again. But as long as it doesn't feel right, then don't. Oh, and good report, I enjoyed reading it. Very well-written! :) Thanks for sharing.
 
would try some other substance next time, if there is one. shrooms are always so heavy to me. i find lsd/2cx are better in that sense... less deeply psychological.
anyway I know a bit what you mean. but I think the feeling probably goes away it just takes time and maybe to relax about it all and realise life without tripping is great too (for one thing, there are so many other drugs!... and sex.)
 
Thanks for the advice .... it's a huge relief just to put my feelings down on "paper" because even this wasn't easy. I thought people might just think I was making something out of nothing and I'd be told just to get on with it, get a grip sort of thing. I felt very alone, like I'm the only person in the world who's ever felt this way.

I don't think I want to try any other psychic substance. Psychic? Well, you know what I mean! There's a fair chance I might be able to get lsd in the reasonably near future, but there's also the burning issue of the shrooms I still have. Seems silly to go to the risk of acquiring acid when I've a large amount of dried hawaiians just sitting here. The last person I "sold" some to, even after all the warning I gave him, couldn't hack it at all. His flatmate went bezerk, almost killing himself jumping through a window he'd broken, while he has been left a changed personality, no longer interested in any form of drugs, and gone from a placid friendly type to an abusive and nasty person, who in addition didn't pay me the money for the shrooms as promised. He didn't take anywhere near what I did, but I still think he had a much stronger dose than he'd figured on taking.

In a way, as long as I had some reassurance that the state I was in was normal and it's OK to still feel messed up weeks afterwards I'd feel much much better. Then if I do feel like tripping again, I've decided that I couldn't contemplate taking that amount and it's a case of would I enjoy a smaller quantity. As Xorkoth said though, how do I know that there isn't some further message that shrooms can teach me? I've had revelations long before this, proving it doesn't have to be a strong dose to get something very useful and positive out of the experience.

Perhaps a smaller quantity, taken with someone IRL (not just over IRC) when a smaller dose would be essential to communicate anyway, and taken in a completely different and more suitable environment (this wasn't a great opportunity even for a normal trip, never mind an overwhelming one) would be the answer. Just a thought.

Thanks again! Even just this has been so helpful, I'm really grateful. There aren't that many people you can discuss something like this with :)
 
That's what Bluelight is here for! :) You'll find a lot of people here who have had similar experiences to you. Visit the Psychedelic Drugs forum here if you want... it might be useful and enjoyable to you.
 
I think I will do. I've been a member here for a while, but just an occasional poster. However, I sense here that people actually do know what they're talking about, unlike so many of the posts I see on other drug related forums. It gets depressing reading so much hot air from 12 year olds ...... Bluelight has a much better signal to noise ratio. There's real knowledge here.
 
I guess I haven't experienced exactly how you feel but I've definitely read reports on here of people who seem to have had analogous experiences and it doesn't seem like something out of nothing at all. Anyone who has a reasonable amount of drug experience should respect that - I mean, these are chemicals that act directly on your brain, and anyone who doesn't take the psychological effects as seriously as the physical is a moron. so just saying, I didn't think that it was a big deal out of nothing at all.

Also, it seems like if the main problem with the trip was being overwhelmed and freaked out by the drugs themselves then that's good in a way. I mean, in that there are other instances where a bad trip can happen because of very particular life/social issues that come up or are brought out and then I guess you have to spend time sorting those out. But if you feel like it's purely about the scariness of the dose, then maybe a few widely spaced, low-dose good experiences in good company could get you back into a happier outlook about it.
 
That makes sense. Yes .... maybe if I picked a good setting, tripped *with* someone so there was an "excuse" not to take a massive dose (at the moment my mind is saying Chicken! when I contemplate less) and just saw how I felt afterwards it would help a lot.

One thing is beginning to come through. I'm always going to be in this kind of half state if I never try. I don't think this will be resolved mentally until I've had at least one more normal trip. I feel like I fell off a horse in tripping terms, it's really really hard to get back on because you've lost confidence.

Are you guys psychologists by trade? This has been more helpful than I can say! I feel so much better so quickly. Perhaps a discussion with intelligent experienced people not involved IRL with me is really really useful - either that or you're just good!
 
That was a pleasure to read, very engaing and expressively written. Although I havent tripped in a long long time, it brought back familiar sense and memories of my triping experiences especially the whole being stuck in a looped frame of mind which I also felt off shrooms making me feel like I had a severe case of obsessive compolsive disorder at the time which I normally dont have. But the whole package the good and the bad is all part of the journey that is not only isolated to the time you were tripping but can also be apreciated even more so after its all over when you reminscent.

During a few of my intense trips I have seeked out the most bland, quiet spots I can find to reduce the intencity of the overwhelming nature of some trips but even sitting in total darkness there is so much hapening there with in regards to visual and auditory stimulus you cant escape it.

Was that the first time you had that dose of shrooms?

Anything less than what you had is also very enjoyable especially on music combined with some great visuals, where as at higher doses the extra stimulation can be overbearing yet an amazing experience in itself but also again different depending on your environment, or the people your with.

I love your comment "The following morning I felt like I'd made it through a storm"
 
Thank you and yes it was certainly the first time Id had that amount of hawaiian shrooms. I would never knowingly have taken over 8g! Even 5g given the strength they were would have been a far too big dose.

I've had ovewhelming experiences before. I was only just over an lsd trip where I took one and a half blotters which seemed to have most of the acid in these last two tabs. My trip companion confirmed that his trip was far stronger than the earlier ones we'd had. I didn't get a report written but I was further out than I'd ever been before. I remember attacking an ice box for no reason, and having to get a taxi back after just over 5 hours. I couldn't get my seat belt fastened and got hysterical over this. God knows what the driver thought, although he was aware I'd taken something.

Much earlier in my tripping days (second time round, not when I was younger) I took some philippines thinking they'd be the same as mexicans, roughly or maybe just a bit stronger. That was a hell of a day too - I was completely helpless, had to be taken to the toilet, my jacket put off and on for me and I couldn't even remember my name.

However, this one was just on a different level. It's impossible to describe what I went through, though everyone I saw on irc and talked to was fantastic and more helpful than I deserved.

Finally, I took 8g of dried amazons and thought that was a huge dose, I spent most of the time just curled up in a ball on my bed, trying to shut out the overwhelming effects.

But this trip described above was the daddy of them all. I couldn't go through it again. What I want is some acid so I can trip on a different substance and split it with someone. What is delaying this is the necessity to install pgp and go through so many hoops to register an account with pecunix, it's a real pain.

But I think I need to do it, even just to get rid of the gremlins :) It will be with someone IRL, and a lower dose (well, I had in effect 8 - 9 trips in one go) and hopefully I can recapture that giggly interaction again. You are very much on your own with a strong trip like I had and as someone pointed out, I can still be taught many things from tripping and I think it would be the only thing which would quieten this inner torment.
 
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