Health Drank ayahuasca thousands of times, never purged

[red22]

I have no idea why I don’t purge. I often feel like I might, but then I don’t. I clean out in other ways, certainly. My late husband was the same way. He must have drunk ayahuasca thousands of times and he never purged, not even once. He used to faint, though. I throw up when I have food poisoning or the stomach flu, so it isn’t like my body can’t do it. I find it completely mysterious.

Golden_Mandala, 2024-07-12, reddit

It’s happen quite often actually. Personally, I have probably vomited only 2 times in my last 200 ceremonies, haven’t vomited nor felt nauseous for more than 100 ceremonies now. I felt much more nausea and vomited more often in my earlier days, so there might be a connection. Maybe you have purged out a lot of stuff that needs to get cleared by vomiting, I would not make a rule out of it though.

I never know what my next ceremony will be like, surprise seems to be the only constant

Bollomir, May 27, 2024, reddit

Relevant info:

The exact mechanisms that cause nausea from psychedelics are not yet fully understood. One theory suggests that these drugs interact with serotonin receptors in the gut, leading to changes in digestive processes and the sensation of nausea.

Another theory suggests that nausea may be triggered by the overall sensory overload experienced during a psychedelic trip, such as increased somatic awareness, heightened perception, and feelings of sudden movement.

8 Tips for Avoiding Nausea During a Psychedelic Experience. Anna Wilde. 2023-07-18. Psychedelic Passage


In addition, during the session, some people have cramps, shake, or feel pain in various parts of the body, usually those parts that need healing.

All these symptoms that may appear dreadful are in fact a blessing; they add depth to the experience. The emetic and cathartic properties of ayahuasca may be associated with an inner cleansing process by which participants can rid themselves of bad habits, negative emotions, traumas, and so on. Ayahuasca may indeed be a detoxifying agent. After a series of sessions, one woman found that her blood levels of mercury poisoning had decreased drastically. When the session is over, participants very often report that they feel purified. This adds to the next morning’s feeling of inner peace and clarity.

Inner Paths to Outer Space: Journeys to Alien Worlds through Psychedelics & Other Spiritual Technologies. Rick Strassman MD, Slawek Wojtowicz, Luis Eduardo Luna Ph.D, Ede Frecska. 2008. 5. The Varieties of the Ayahuasca Experience / Ayahuasca's Physicality (Luna)


Many emetics arent toxic. Just because something makes you puke doesnt mean its toxic. Emetics are usually used to treat toxic ingestions, not to cause toxic reactions themselves.

Tannins in the Ayahuasca can most certainly make you puke. But everyones body is different, so what dose makes one person puke wont necessarily cause another person to puke. But emetic reactions are not the only reason people puke on Ayahuasca - energy has a big part to do with it. I have seen Ayahuasca shamans make a patiant puke just from such intense energy work even though the patiant didnt take any plants themselves. I've also seen people feel fine for hours after drinking then suddenly puke way later when some big energy came up. If you get more experienced with Ayahuasca you quickly learn that while the physical brew might make people purge sometimes, a lot of purging happens from other reasons like emotions and energy that need to be released.

I have drank huge doses without nausea before and have also purged heavily from tiny doses when there was a lot of energy to release. If you try to understand Ayahuasca on only doses and physical chemical reactions you will never understand it, because there is so much more to it then that.

MapachoCura, Jul 13, 2024, reddit


Charles Savage was convinced—this the first real argument I had with him—that mescaline was an emetic. I said, “No, it's not an emetic. It's just that people get into things that make them sick. But if the experience is conducted right, that can be avoided and those things resolved without their throwing up.” Well, he didn't agree with me, but I don't think we ever had a person throw up, in all our foundation's work.

Higher Wisdom: Eminent Elders Explore the Continuing Impact of Psychedelics. Walsh R, Grob CS (editors). 2005. 3. Myron Stolaroff


This LSD study says that out of 42 treatments, vomiting was experienced 3 times:

Experimental physiological studies with lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD-25). Forrer GR, Goldner RD. AMA Arch Neurol Psychiatry. 1951 May;65(5):581-8. doi: 10.1001/archneurpsyc.1951.02320050038004 See ‘Results’.


In this video, the guru says that psychedelics “don't have any side effects”, and this claim is remarkable as she also conveys that she isn't an advocate of psychedelics:

Technow Savvy Programs for Progress in Meditation: Are They Effective? (1:57). Anandmurti Gurumaa, YouTube, Jul 9, 2009


Video description of a video about ayahuasca purging:

Do you always have to vomit during Ayahuasca?. Maria Johanna, YouTube, Aug 15, 2019

When people think about Ayahuasca, they often think that purging is always part of the experience. But this is definitely not true! Not everyone has to vomit during their Ayahuasca experience. I would say that 50% of the participants have to purg, and the other half do not. Another thing is that purging in a Ceremony is not the same as when you’re ill. It’s a different experience. It helps you to release, to let go and to go deeper. A lot of people experience purging during a Ceremony even as comforting!

The healing medicines

Ayahuasca is an healing medicine. It’s not something you do for fun. It’s serious business. And for most people it’s a life-changing experience. When people want to do Ayahuasca for the first time, I recommend them to do 2 days in a row. That’s because many times the first Ceremony is all about cleaning up and also throwing up.

Cleaning to open up

There are several reasons why it can be that you have to vomit during an Ayahuasca Ceremony. It can be that your body has to be cleansed before you can open the portals that lead you deeper inside for the experience that you need. Your body is not used to go that deep. When you purg, you raise your frequency and you open up your consciousness and your true potential.

Surrender

It can also be the case that you have difficulties to surrender, that you want to be in control. The purging can help you to surrender. You throw up to surrender to the medicines. Sometimes people are fighting against the medicines, against thier journey, because they want to stay in control. They are fighting until they finally throw up and in so many cases people have after the vomiting they have the most wonderful experience they could ever imagine.

Healing work

But one of the most important reasons for purging during an Ayahuasca Ceremony is because you are doing healing work. We all are carrying trauma. Even if you’re not aware of it. There have been moments in your life, when you could not express the emotions that you were feeling at that moment. Ayahuasca can lead you back, into your past and let you re-experience these events. The emotions of these past experiences are still stuck in your body and by throwing up, you can heal this and let go of it forever. This could have to do with a trauma from the past, certain behavior or even addictions. It can also be the case that you have blockages in your system and therefore you can’t love yourself enough. And by releasing these blockages you can love yourself more.

Other ways of releasing

The energy can also choose another way to clean the body or release emotions. In that case it could be that you suddenly have to go to the toilet. It can also be that you sweat a lot during your experience or that strong breathing is helping you. In all cases these things occur to help you to clean and/or release.

Don’t be scared to throw up

I would really like to point out to you, that you don’t have to be scared to come to an Ayahuasca Ceremony because of the vomiting that could be part of your experience. Purging is just a moment. Many participants say it is such a relieve to purge during an Ayahuasca Ceremony. And they feel they can release something and they feel just wonderful. So, you don’t have to be scared for throwing up. And remember, it’s good to choose the path where you fear is, because when you go beyond your fear, is exactly the place where you set yourself free.

 

[Ismene2]

Great post red, did you ever find a way around the nausea yourself?

i found the nausea was caused by the DMT itself hitting my stomach - the maoi never bothered me. Never found a way around the DMT nausea - tried dissolving it in coca cola (allegedly that forms DMT Phosphate which is supposed to be less nausea). Had to stop taking oral DMT in the end - just couldnt stand the nausea.

4-aco-dmt (the real white stuff - not the shit grey synthesis) is a better drug than NN-DMT - just so much more fun. If I told you how much fun Ive had laughing and dancing on 4-aco, you wouldnt believe me.

 

[iom]

Ayahuasca+DMT is the only psychedelic that's ever made me throw up. I've certainly come close on some other things like mushrooms and 2C-T-2.

The first time I had ayahuasca+DMT, I felt the effects of the vine within 30 minutes. It was very pleasant, and I had no nausea whatsoever. It took about 2 hours for the DMT to show itself, but once it started, it rapidly ramped into a mind-blowing. I did feel nausea a few times during this onset, but it tended to be fleeting and more of a "oh shit" butterflies feeling. In time I reached a point in which I knew I had to puke, even though I didn't feel nauseous at all. We were outdoors in public and walking, and I could hardly make any sense of what I was seeing or for that matter experiencing. Time was no longer linear at this point. I was experiencing past, present, and future in cyclical succession. I had no idea how I could possibly be walking in this state.

I ended up on my hands and knees among some bushes on the edge of an office park while my friend looked on in horror. I felt a jolt. The sensation was incredibly intense. Somehow my face ended up covered with bits of the dirt and vomit. For a tiny moment, I felt like the lowest scum of the earth, and then I suddenly felt much lighter. I knew I was done throwing up and suffered no more nausea or urges to puke.

By this point, the trip still hadn't peaked though. It actually got more intense. I experienced such extreme time dilation that it felt like months were passing while I begged the universe to help me find my way back. Once in a while, I noticed a heavy *thunk* sound and feeling, which I would momentarily realized was my heart beating, but in the time between beats, I'd become completely lost into the trip again for what felt like some minutes before the next beat brought be back again.

I think I might have puked on ayahuasca+DMT one other time, but actually I think I just dry heaved a few times and then gave up. Any other time I got close to puking on a psychedelic, I've often managed to alleviate the urge by simply going through the physical motions but not actually expelling anything. This is what happened on my last ayahuasca+DMT experience, and the effects of that one were still super powerful.

On another note, I introduced someone to ayahuasca who insisted that she would not puke because she never pukes and couldn't even recall what puking was like. The aya turned out to be strong, and she turned out to be hypersensitive. She turned down the Jurema drink with the DMT at 15 minutes because she said she was already feeling the aya strongly. She ended up purging repeatedly for something like 2 hours in my bedroom, and we foolishly didn't have any kind of receptacle. She then had an intense dream-like visionary experience which stayed with her as she fell asleep and continued dreaming intensely.

 

[Pfafffed]

I've only ever puked from mescaline, I believe, and that was just one time. I have been fortunate with my couple of trips on a peganum+mimosa brew. Total physical stillness seemed to eliminate the nausea for me.

 

[JackARoe]

Morning Glory seeds are the only thing that ever made me puke. I can take 12 g of kratom powder, then take 30 g of cactus powder. Have a bagel with cream cheese, and then take a few tokes an hour later and be fine.

My few DMT/harmala mixes did not make me nauseous. I have to be honest, mushrooms are always available too, and I like that better than the DMT brew. Then of course as Ismene said 4-ACO-DMT is similar to ayahuasca. Although ayahuasca is as variable as mushrooms.

 

[red22]

I like that better than the DMT brew. Then of course as Ismene said 4-ACO-DMT is similar to ayahuasca. Although ayahuasca is as variable as mushrooms.

There was recently some arguing on The Shroomery over whether or not 4-PO-DMT (psilocybin) is the equivalent of DMT (when both are used orally). Dennis McKenna seems to think so: Dennis McKenna, "Psilocin and DMT same thing."

 

[iom]

I haven't had pure 4-PO-DMT, 4-Aco-DMT, or DMT. I have had ayahuasca and mushrooms, and I think the effects are totally different. If the DMT dose is relatively high, then it will tend to overwhelm the aya vine effects and work more like an oral DMT would, yet I think even that feels quite different from mushrooms as both do from the many other tryptamines out there.

Of course a more traditional aya will more likely have smaller amounts of DMT which greatly amplify and synergize with the effects of the caapi. The caapi effects on its own are essentially oneirogenic but they generate rich dream sequences whether or not one is asleep. Adding the right amount of DMT imparts more lucidity and makes the dream sequences vivid and colorful. IMO the effect is absolutely distinct compared to either plain old serotonergic psychedelics or dissociatives.

 

[suckerbunnie]

Doesn't anybody remember when 5-MeO-DiPT was widely available? It was a lovely substance but it made me puke my guts out almost every single time, especially if you railed it