"Dr. Ecstasy" laments the rave drug's notoriety

Meanwhile, Shulgin, whose involvement in psychedelic drug research spans 40 years, is at work compiling his encyclopedia on 1,000 psychedelic compounds. It is modeled on the Merck Index of chemical properties.
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If this is his book on simple plant isoquinolines then, yeah, this article is a couple of years old. that book is already out
 
Chronik Fatigue said:
If this is his book on simple plant isoquinolines then, yeah, this article is a couple of years old. that book is already out
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The author is talking about the Psychedelic Index, Shulgin's upcoming work.
 
I agree with Shulgin. Seeing young sixteen year old kids puffing on their cracky and dumping 5+ pills in a night, along with god knows what else, is really fucking up, or no... better said, has really screwed up the little chance MDMA has as being used legitimately for those that really need it.
 
^^^ Mark my words ( I know you won't but had to say it):

MDMA (or a derivative) will be used to treat clinical post traumatic stress disorder. Some people will need it to live better lives.
 
I agree with you fruitfly.

Sphinx (Afterlife) said:
No one needs ecstacy, what kinda crackhead would beleive that.
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This crackhead for one. my hubby and i use it occasionally recreationally, but aside from the enjoyment, it is therapeutic. we can go over recent issues, and see them differently. i can readress problems i see differently while overloaded on that beloved seratonin.

any "crackhead" who has been on here for a while should be familiar with maaps and shulgin and know that MDMA is in fact quite beneficial therapeutically.
 
Sphinx (Afterlife) said:
The fact that hes even lived to be 80 after all his trippin is miraculous enough, let alone that he still has the ability to think at that age.

If id done even 1/10th the amount of psychs hes done id be in an asylum guaranteed.
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Perhaps you should reaize the problem may be you, and not the drugs. A healthy brain is the only kind that can safely utilize psychadelics, IMO.

The more I do, the better I get. But then again, i use responsibly, and don't abuse the drugs. I also don't use for pure recreation, and for me it is spiritual every time.

sorry for dp.
 
lol no problem ff. as some of you know, i was one of those "stupid" people who did drugs on national tv, for a documentary on x, and one of our friends during the interview told how he used it to kick a bad heroin addiction. of course, that shit doesn't make the cut, lands on the proverbial cutting room floor, *sticks out tongue* but it really is a beneficial drug. really has literally saved the lives of people, and I can't wait for more people to embrace this chem for what it really can be!!
 
DarthMom said:
Perhaps you should reaize the problem may be you, and not the drugs. A healthy brain is the only kind that can safely utilize psychadelics, IMO.

The more I do, the better I get. But then again, i use responsibly, and don't abuse the drugs. I also don't use for pure recreation, and for me it is spiritual every time.

sorry for dp.
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Also, there is a big difference between how Shulgin does drugs, i.e. working up to a safe dosage, not mixing different compounds together, etc..., and the heavy doses, and mixtures that a lot of people take. Plus he knows that his compounds are pure and not cut with god knows what, wish we could say that for most of the substances available to the average BLer.

Oh, and I agree with you wholeheartedly about the therapeutic effects of MDMA. It's not one of the compounds at the top of my list as far as for partying etc... But I've used it on occasion as an aid in confronting the things that are bothering me, or to deal with whatever issues in my life that I feel I need to address.

The most impressive effect it had for me was clearing up severe depression, I went through a period where I would only get out of bed to go to work, sleeping 14+ hours a day, and occasionally having suicidal thoughts. It's been ten years since that period in my life, I still have a "down" day now and then, but nothing different than you're average healthy person does, and I can trace the change back to the first time I meditated on MDMA. I now occasionally use it to make sure my psyche is staying healthy.
 
<<lol no problem ff. as some of you know, i was one of those "stupid" people who did drugs on national tv, for a documentary on x, and one of our friends during the interview told how he used it to kick a bad heroin addiction. of course, that shit doesn't make the cut, lands on the proverbial cutting room floor, *sticks out tongue* but it really is a beneficial drug. really has literally saved the lives of people, and I can't wait for more people to embrace this chem for what it really can be!!>>

No shit? Did they cut the footage with you in it?
 
Nah, it was mostly me, and the commercials show me in my grand etardedness. they of course, cut the good stuff and only show the siliness, which of course is goign to happen through out the night. I really expected more since one of the station execs of programming actually came too, along with the show producer.they really seemed sincere, knew their stuff. trie dto meet whith shulgin, but he turned them down. but in the end, the doc wasn't very good IMO.
 
what they should do is allow for pure mdma to be produced and purchased here in the u.s and wherever... tax it and have laws on it! come on now.... the increase in recreational use keeps going up, so why not be healthier and have the good stuff rather than all the drama involved in getting it and all the bad mixtures and other drugs cut with it... guess i live in a fantasy world.... but it would be nice though.......
 
^^^ Mark my words ( I know you won't but had to say it):

MDMA (or a derivative) will be used to treat clinical post traumatic stress disorder. Some people will need it to live better lives.
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In one sense, this has already happened. The SSRI's that are so commonly prescribed today for depression work very similar in your brain to the way MDMA works. They both elevate the level of serotonin by inhibiting reuptake in the brain cell synapses.

SSRI's raises serotonin levels gradually over a period of weeks and as long as you keep taking them they keep serotonin at a slightly elevated level giving you a consistent feeling of well being. You might consider them like tiny doses of MDMA that take a couple of weeks to work.

MDMA causes a massive release of serotonin, thus giving you an overwhelming feeling of empathy and euphoria. The problem is it takes a while for your brain to replenish the supply of serotonin that was released. And until then, you can feel depressed.

If somehow your brain was able to replenish the serotonin supply quickly, then there would likely be no depression after the MDMA wears off and you would have a nice afterglow! Cmon you chemists out there... give us something better than 5HTP to help us use MDMA more often without the bad comedowns!!!
 
fruitfly said:
It doesn't sound like Dr. Shulgin disapproves of recreational ecstasy use in and of itself. It seems to me like he's pissed off that rave culture has raised the alarm level in government and created a drug hysteria that's ruined the potential for MDMA to gain recognition as a viable treatment option for those in therapy. What did he expect, though? Shulgin himself described his first encounter with the drug as a "very delightful experience." Why wouldn't people seek that out as well?
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Shulgin doesn't dissaprove of the recreational use of any drug. In fact he has argued MANY times that all drugs should be legalized and their use allowed by consenting adults. If drugs were available in purer composition and more economical ways, it could end a lot of poverty, crime, and health problems.

That said, really MDMA only works for therapy in a group way. Meaning at least one other person has to be there as a sounding board to help you make emotional progress. Also the other person also really needs to be on MDMA as well so that you feel the bonds of empathy and love together. I have never felt anything like a profound insight or empathy while rolling alone.

I believe that for use in a meditative way, more traditional psychedelics cannot be surpassed. As in one person by themself, can make the same sort of progress mentally and emotionally. In this case a kind of internal dialogue occurs and you can actually develop a kind of self empathy. The challenge to this is actually thinking about emotions you are having and the causes and effects of aspects of your life. Traditional psychedelics can also be used as MDMA with two or more people counseling together with similar effects to those of MDMA.

The main problems with traditional psychedelics as mental health aids are the distractions. Most people (myself included) have trouble forming sentences during certain phases of the psychedelic experience. there is so much overwhelming your senses that it distracts.

In both cases the profoundness of these revelations can be rather overpowering. I have seen many people make positive changes through the use of both empathogens and traditional psychedelics. For it to work that has to be your intention from the start. Otherwise it's just another way to get fucked up... which is ok too sometimes! =D
 
MildKandy said:
What do you mean w/ that last sentence??^^

But. . . anyways... I personally dont think E will be accepted medically ever. The government puts so much work into making drugs look bad that they wont want to admit they were more than partially wrong. Same with the war on drugs . . .
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True but w/ the medical industry evolving rapidly like it has been.....I see a big push and a possible reclassification of some powerful chemicals that are obviously very valuable in the medical community.

As time goes one, the general public has become more accepting of the medical uses of some illegal drugs.

I mean think about it, the people who lived in the big psychedelic explosion of the 60's......are now almost in their 60's.....

and the 40 + people are the ones who make policy. The people who prob only experimented only a few times know that psychedelics arent as evil as the gov't makes it out to be.

I think its a slow, gradual fight and it will continue to be but i believe psychedelics and other medically benefical drugs, that are now illegal, will be given a second chance sometime in the future.
 
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