DPT Hydrochloride - Beginner

[FractalStructure]

I've never used this substance, and never conducted any real "kitchen chemistry", though I'm not new to being careful with rc's, milligram dosing, etc.

But if I hypothetically decided to acquire some DPT, it would be in HCL form, as its harder to transport oil. I do not want to do "propylhuasca" yet, but I would like to experience it the way DMT (alone - smoked/railed) is experienced, as I know this substance is used in much the same way and is a very similar chemical.

I don't want to smoke the HCL, so its down to really just two options: railing the HCL form, or converting to freebase.

Both seem to have their downsides, because I've heard mixed reviews about insufflated DPT, and also because I dont really want to be cooking anything up with baking soda and then smoking it, and on top of that, I dont know much about chemistry (though I can follow some simple instructions, I'm just not good at deciphering Tihkal and all that)

SO my two questions really are:

1) What is it actually like to rail the hcl form as is? how does it compare to smoking, anything to be aware of? Is it worth it? Is it unpleasant?

2) Whats a good tek that doesnt take much knowledge of chemistry or hard to acquire ingredients that will leave a PURE product behind? maybe 100mg at a time, not large scale. Also, will it destroy the chem at all?

And lastly, people with experience... which would YOU choose and why? Thanks SO much. I find this to be such an interesting sounding chemical but didnt know about this little snag.

 

[B9]

Plays havoc with your sinuses - I can deal with but many other people cannot - I'd advise that once you've tried it on its own to mix it with ketamine - using an MAOi with DPT is a viable option if you want to go the oral route - obviously be aware of the potential health implications of using MAOi

 

[sekio]

I'd probably go for nasal or plugged administration. That's just me, though.

Doing a wash of a DPT.HCl water solution with sodium bicarbonate will turn the tryptamine to an oil which should seperate out from the water. That's the way I've seen it done.

 

[Solipsis]

Personally I don't see a real problem in converting to freebase, even if you don't get it completely dry and there could be a residu of baking soda, you can't really burn it so I wouldn't worry about it.
The only DPT that I have had is brown and turning it into freebase made a mess. I still have the oily stuff in the freezer, nasty.

Snorting the salt does hurt, not as sharply as something like 2C-B might but it takes longer to go away and combined with the dose it repels me to do it again I think.

Now plugging or oral might be good ideas. Should be orally active without MAOI but the dose seems to vary a lot between people.

 

[pharmakos]

snorting DPT HCl is indeed far less painful than snorting 2C-X HCl.

the taste of the DPT drip was actually kind of pleasant to me.

i've only had one full experience with snorting DPT, and a few lesser experiences that were tainted by cross-tolerance with 2C-I. it was a really big dose of 2C-I... it was either 50mg or 100mg. my failed DPT attempts were about 36hours and 70hours after i took that 2C-I dose. i attribute the tolerance to the 2C-I because i have heard other people say that you can dose DPT on consecutive days and experience little to no tolerance development (due to the short duration i think?).

if i had a freebase pipe i would have done the freebase conversion... just mixing up my DPT HCl and some baking soda in the pipe and then vaping. i don't trust myself to not make a mess doing it with a straw and aluminum foil... plus smoking/vaping anything from aluminum foil bugs me out... i don't want alzheimer's!

 

[shishigami]

Snorting DPT was incredibly easy on the nose for me (at least compared to Ketamine, the only other thing I've snorted). It didn't really sting and the drip wasn't chemical tasting like K.

From what I've read, taking DPT orally requires large amounts of material and is highly variable between people.

 

[Chemical Wizard]

Last time i snorted DPT, I did it with two friends, we all did 120 mgs up the nose. And boy was that unpleasant. It's quite a lot of powder, and it's not really THAT bad, but yeah it is. It's pretty much the worst thing i've ever snorted - i've never snorted 2C's, but DPT at that dose was pretty disgusting. The drip was VERY potent and chemically, irritated mucous membranes, and took forever to go away. Even the next day I could still feel a spot where the DPT hit my sinuses and slowly dripped down my esophagus. Bleh. It really put me off of using DPT intranasally.

I did have a very worthwhile DPT trip from that experience though. My other two friends thought the dose was a little bit weak. We all agreed it was absolutely terrible to snort. I had completely pure white, extremely fluffy DPT hcl.

 

[any major dude]

i'd go with converting to freebase & smoking. i found insufflation rather unpleasant, but i'm not a very big fan of snorting things to begin with, so take that for what its worth. It certainly isn't as acutely painful as 2c-x, but it does seem to linger a bit longer, & given the relatively short duration, your face may be somewhat uncomfortable for most or all of your trip. One friend did have success with administering a topical anesthetic intranasally before insufflating DPT. Dunno if you've got access to lidocaine & proper apparatus to locally anesthatize your nose though.

 

[Chemical Wizard]

I'd say go with smoking.

Snorting DPT is prettttty rough. The taste itself isn't tooooo too bad, but the fact that it lingers, and is quite irritating to your sinuses.

Also, I think it will be easier for you to titrate a dose if it is smoked. When I snorted 120 mgs, it took about 10-15 minutes before I even started feeling it. And 120 was a little bit too much for me. At least if I had tried smoking say 70 mgs, and then after 50 mgs or so realized that I am nice an toasty, then at least you can stop. If you insufflate it, you gotta get it in ya, and then hope for the best.

 

[FractalStructure]

^So far, it seems like the best thing to do would be to FB it. Thanks for your help

If one did 25mg nasally (to be safe, I guess, and I'm a psychedelic lightweight, 4-aco-dmt at 12mg is actually pretty damn strong, but that batch made people freak out from 6mg, no joke), I can't imagine that being too bad? Whats it like compared to railing the same amount of ket, since thats something I can easily, uhm, compare.

 

[shishigami]

Having railed 30 mg ket and 30 mg DPT HCl I would say the Ket is much worse. I thought that the Ket stung more (albeit the Ket sting isn't for long or particularly bad) and the drip was significantly worse. The Ket drip made we want to throw up because it was so chemical in nature and lasting. The DPT drip wasn't unpleasant and was easy to ignore.

25 mg DPT is probably a good starting point. I've heard lots of things about people gung hoing it with 50+ the first time and being overwhelmed.

 

[pharmakos]

I'd say go with smoking.

Snorting DPT is prettttty rough. The taste itself isn't tooooo too bad, but the fact that it lingers, and is quite irritating to your sinuses.

Also, I think it will be easier for you to titrate a dose if it is smoked. When I snorted 120 mgs, it took about 10-15 minutes before I even started feeling it. And 120 was a little bit too much for me. At least if I had tried smoking say 70 mgs, and then after 50 mgs or so realized that I am nice an toasty, then at least you can stop. If you insufflate it, you gotta get it in ya, and then hope for the best.

for my first and best experience with DPT, i snorted small amounts of DPT every half hour until i hit a good point. i was eyeballing my doses, so i am unsure of the amount that i ended up insufflating. this method worked well though, and i ended up having a very immersive experience.

 

[Chemical Wizard]

I snorted 60 mgs of DPT Hcl and didn't feel much of anything. 120 mgs blew my head off.

90 mgs of was nice for me though.

 

[Survived Abortion]

Rectal.

DPT insufflated isn't bad at all, and I'm not even that fond of insufflation with any drug. The only issue I found was that it seemed to be quite less efficacious than other routes. The other routes I have tried are: intramuscular, intravenous, and rectal dosing. Out of all these, rectal is the best. Intravenous is harder hitting, but rectal administration requires only slightly more material, and comes on much like intramuscular with a smooth curve up to the peak.