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DPT (55mg) - Experienced - Turning Back the Second Seconds

psood0nym

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The sun is lower than I had wanted it to be when 55mg of Dipropyltrypamine sinks below my skin. That's no problem though, since time will soon be happening twice I'll both be leaving this park when I planned and staying longer than I hoped.

I've used DPT in this grove of eastern white pines or others like it five times before this—there's something profoundly graceful about their gilded green clusters swaying against a sky that drips with blue—and more times than not it's been revelatory. This time will be no different, but not in the same way I'm thinking it might be now.

I've found a reclining rock to trip out on three-fourths up a moraine composed of massive boulders—a nice isolated place. It's about 150 vertical feet to a trail that runs along a ridge up top that I'll have to high step it to once I've come down enough from the DPT.

There was 55mg of DPT loaded in that barrel, 5 to 10 more than is usually needed to launch me into my sweet spot. I'm a once a month tripper, but finishing school projects early this spring has afforded me a window of opportunity that has been closed for 3 months before now, and so I've tripped 3 times in the past 2 weeks.

I loaded that dose because I figured I'd need a little extra oomph to blast over psychological tolerance. But I'm wrong.

20 minutes into it and I'm sure I've overshot my mark. I'm dislocated from my sense of my body and miles away from being able to walk. I'm feeling a bit like I did before the first and last time I achieved ego death with DPT years ago. It's fine though, I'm blocked from sight and all I need to do is wait here with a grin so persistent it aches listening to music until the pieces fall back into place. But they don't.

It's a good 50 minutes after injection when I attempt to sit up. I'm way past the peak, but I'm definitely not ready to climb the boulders. I decide to do an inventory of my stuff to make sure it didn't fall out of my pockets and into that hole to oblivion I was dancing around earlier.

I look to my right and see my headphones … I look to my right and see my headphones … Did I just do a double-take? … Did I just do a double take? What? ... What?

I'm unable to realize it explicitly at this this time, but I've begun to consistently experience partial echoes of my emotional reactions, thoughts and interior monologue—even the inner impressions of perceptions—approximately two seconds after they occur.

To understand the nature of what I'll be describing more clearly imagine walking into a quiet empty room at 1 pm. A cuckoo clock whirs to life, startling you, and you twist your head to see it. It gives one quick “cuckoo.” Giggling at yourself, you watch as the tiny bird snaps back behind the doors of the clock. At 1 pm. and two seconds the clock's doors have just shut, yet suddenly you're struck with the same sense of surprise you had when you heard the mechanism first start 2 seconds ago. Less than half a second later the sensation of twisting your head to see the clock recurs. You experience vertigo because in truth you haven't physically moved a bit. Still standing there looking at the cuckoo clock’s closed doors you can almost see the bird pop out and almost hear it's chime. It's more than a vivid memory. What you're experiencing is so transporting that you feel at a far distance from the image of the clock that is actually present an arm's length before you now, like you're a step behind yourself and trailing in time. Expressionless, you feel a mild sense of relief followed by a short spike of elation and a blush spread across your face. This is what that laugh you had at yourself a moment ago would have felt like if you hadn't smiled. You're getting the first hints that something's seriously wrong. Now the muffled echo of that 2 second old laughter is mixed with brand new confusion, which will soon mount to dread. You turn to leave at 1 pm. and 4 seconds, yet as you take your first step you feel a part of you is still standing still, looking at the just closed doors of the clock... This is what's just happened to me.

“What the hell is this? ... What the hell is this?”

I sit for a while in the grove disbelievingly, looking around like I've just woken up in a strange place and don't know how I got there. I don't want to leave until I figure out what's going on. I keep thinking it'll just stop on its own. But it doesn't.

This is frightening. The trip has been rapidly declining, (at this point I can easily stand up, walk, and focus visually) yet this phenomenon—a glitchy state of mind I'd only expect to encounter briefly during a dizzying psychedelic overdose, if ever—seems unwavering in its intensity.

I look at the sunlit trees, seeking something of the enveloping warmth and beauty I saw brimming at the edges of their leaves just minutes ago. But now their lyrical shimmer seems flat and tepid. And then, once more, it seems flat and pallid. The sublime and the beautiful are no refuge for me now. I feel a twinge of panic, but it's as though the fear's emotional cord is plucked with the soggy corner of a sponge. … Then the the same fear comes again, indistinct and without pain, just trickling down my back with the chill of stagnant water.

This should be over now. I'm down, but I'm not out. Stretched over two seconds, between two styluses scratching the same groove of time, I continue to find that all I experience is faded and degraded, and everything is twice.

In over a decade of psychedelic experiences and reading other's reports I've not encountered or heard of anything like what's happening to me now. It’s not an eternal tailspin into the recesses of the psyche or LSD's thought loopty-loop psychosis. It’s not something I can’t stop thinking about because it’s just so damned intriguing or a perseverative behavior spurred on by compulsion. For 30 or 40 minutes I try to tell myself it's one or a combination of these things and that I'm just still too fucked up to recognize it.

Throughout the episode I most often tell myself that what I'm dealing with is my own obdurate conviction in the pursuit of a question. I want what I'm experiencing to be the result of following a mystery so irresistible that I've placed myself as a character in its ongoing story to figure it out. The question:“if a person suddenly re-experiences everything even as they continue on with their life, what can they do to make the repetitions stop, and how do they catch up (or slow down) so that the two aspects of themselves once again track their experiences at the same point in time?”

I'm fooling myself and I know it. I just want the problem to be something I recognize so that I can know it will end or can at least imagine a way that it could end. I need to know this is something people come out of. But the second seconds are just there— unapproachable and indelible like a brute fact.

I want to cry, or I expect that's what I should want. That’s what’s supposed to happen when things are desperate and you don’t know what to do. That’s the one outlet we always have. But I can’t feel anything strongly enough to cry. Feelings occur in our immediate experience, but in this labyrinthine echo chamber they cannot scale any sharp emotional crescendos because they’re constantly garbled and misdirected by the stirring of the just passed past. My thoughts and their echoes share the same breath as they stifle each other in endless error. I can’t understand what’s happening or escape it, only persist as a subject of its vague horror.

It's a simple horror, too, consisting of just this world, and just one repetition. This is no dimethyltrypamine temple, whose grand vault and ornate fixtures can only be maintained by the rapid influx of high concentrations of psychoactives. No, all this needs to maintain itself is what it already has: the independent reality of quotidian existence. Its hell is economical. It really could last forever.

I repeat the same rationalizations about what is or isn't happening repeatedly because often I can't tell if the the echo of these frantic thoughts is the second, third or the first time I've gone over them. Degraded experiences like the ones I am encountering now don't make much of an impression, so I constantly forget.

I'm flailing in a swarm of sensations. It's extraordinarily difficult to tell when I first INITIATE any action because often my sense of initiating some thought “B”' will coincide with the echo of my sense of initiating some previous thought “A”. The result is a sense that I experience starting to think about two things that are not necessarily related to one another at the same time. In this way even simple statements about myself can cascade into cacophonous congregations jostling with slick-tongued strangers.

I start to worry I could get rolled into a snowballing maze of ever-more-convoluted re-experiences of re-experiences. A few times I think that a positive feedback loop is forming, but the loops truly seem limited to just one iteration. My misperception of second or third repetitions, or repetition intervals of greater than two seconds, owe to forgetting what's been thought already and how long I've been repeating it, or repeating something to myself in order to comprehend it by rote and forgetting that repeating things to myself is what I'm TRYING to do, or pretending that my fear of being caught up in endlessly overlaid repetitions of shuffled experience intervals has actually come to pass but forgetting that I started out just pretending. Yeah, it's damned confusing.

Of all the things I re-experience my interior monologue is the most resonant, so it is it that I try to quiet. I hope that the real time and delayed tracks of my experience will be pulled back together if I can create a vacuum of mental silence. If no experience fills time, I hope, there is nothing to separate the copied experience from the original, nothing for the horror to orient its consistency.

Staring wide-eyed I see, and try only to see, something outside me: tree bark ... tree bark, lichen on granite ... lichen on granite, cloud ... cloud ... . It's futile. I can't empty my mind of thought because the echo is, itself, thought. It is automatically layered, it is always already inside.

I want to talk to someone. I want to hear a voice that isn't my own.

I feel almost completely sober in my body now. Why hasn't this stopped? This has to be because I've been tripping. But I'm not really tripping now. Is this nightmare really self-sustaining as I feared?

OK, last resort: When I make it home … somehow, I'm taking a knock out dose of GHB. A lack of consciousness cannot be divided. That will save me. I have to believe that will save me.

But for now: Walk, jump, keep your balance, find the trail, read the map, be busy. You're here now, this is happening now. You're the one behind your eyes. If your world is muffled turn up the fucking volume!

I find the trail and start heading towards the park's exit. Its up around a few more bends. I try to laugh at all this. How can it be? It's all so absurd. It can't be my fate if it's absurd.

You can't split and drag a clone of your ego behind you in time!

You can't be happening twice … you can't be happening twice.

Whatever is happening can only be happening amid the swirl of living symbols that is you. You cannot be stuck in a mystery of logic. You cannot lose yourself forever in a question. Your ego was unraveled during the trip, and when it started to spin back together the exact same length of thread was double spoo…

Here I'm not sure if I experience double-vision or if it's a hallucination, it's too quick, but for about two seconds the rightward bend of the trail in front of me divides in two and appears to curl back on itself.

“That's it!” I laugh out loud and for the first time in over and hour of feel a sensation resonate through my whole being. It's joy.

“... Wait. What?” I forget what I just figured out. For about half a minute I'm not even sure what's happened in the past hour or so, but I feel like crying. And I finally feel like I could cry. It's stopped.

Suddenly I'm tripping again. With elation that's bold and clarion, an amber-hued rhapsody resounds through the full breadth of my sensorium. It's partially the sheer ecstasy of being whole again, but truly I am tripping harder (perhaps a light +2 on Shulgin's scale).

Over the next half hour I figure out that what has probably happened is that earlier I mistook the sense of detachment from the world I was experiencing during the time of the repetitions for a substantial decline in the trip's intensity when in fact the trip had been declining far more slowly.

I check the clock on my cell and see I'm only a little over two and a half hours past dosing. I expected this to last three hours before fading into residual stimulation. But even so, the fact that I was still tripping harder than I realized at this point does not account for the great severity of the phenomenon I experienced.

Because the “eureka event” that ended the repetitions was followed by a brief period of quasi-amnesia it is difficult to say for sure, but I think I remember the essence of what the realization I had was.

Just before the realization I had suspected that towards the end of the DPT's peak I experienced something akin to ego death, but it was incomplete, i.e. some components of the ego remained “online” while others de-patterned. The part of my ego pattern that was disrupted (whose fragmented form perhaps took around two seconds to synthesize its degraded experiential gestalt) may have re-established itself nested within the the part of my ego pattern that survived the trip intact in error. This erroneous fragment followed the “ego-reassembly instructions,” but as it carried out those instructions it was chemically partitioned by the DPT from the surviving portion of my ego pattern that it would have otherwise been integrated within—that is, the fragment of the pattern that continued processing sensory information in the relative present. (This idea of a degraded nested ego is similar to but distinct from the simultaneously active egos shown to exist in the brains of some people that have undergone corpus callosotomies.)

In any case, what was happening was a lot more complicated than a localized muscle spasm or a vocal tick! Something needed to continually orchestrate the activity of a diverse array of neural sub-systems into a partial reiteration of whatever pattern was expressed in my brain two seconds before.

I see something intriguing about the duration of the trail hallucination “eureka event” that ended my experience of the repetitions—that is, the hallucination of the path curling back on itself. I estimate it lasted just two seconds, which is the same duration as that of the delay between my experience in the present and its re-experience in a lesser form. To me the similarity suggests that two highly similar egoic brain processes, each partially capable of generating the essence of my usual personal conscious experience of the world, were synthesized and looped in succession. If this is the case, it might explain the degraded sense of self and the environment I noted during the experience. If mental resources needed to be reallocated to sustain both the ego that shaped my initial experiences and the echo ego that re-experienced them, I imagine the bio-electrical patterns that each of the two consisted of would need to be of a significantly lower fidelity than those of a single ego pattern free to utilize all mental resources available to it for itself.

It's also fascinating that throughout the episode I was trying to gain perspective on the problem by describing it to myself, but it was only when I came up with an interpretation of HOW the repetitions might have originated that the episode finally ended. My best guess is that by thinking of a theory that roughly explained the problem's origins consciously I provided some non-conscious maintenance intelligence a diagnostic solution that was “close enough” to the actual problem to correct whatever was happening and re-establish my normal unified ego pattern. The symbolism of the path curling back on itself may indicate that, on some level, such a non-conscious intelligence was aware of what was happening and chose to communicate it to me through the hallucination, but the symbolism is too vague to draw conclusions.

Of course, that a powerful ego-dissolver like DPT was decreasing in concentration at this point during the trip likely also played a role, both in my ability to make the realization about what was occurring and in the ability of my brain to reestablish and sustain the signal integrity that I believe likely underlies the functioning of my complete ego. I'm sure I didn't absolutely need to give an explanation for the problem's origination in order for it to end at all, but because the nature of the problem was so severe even at a mild +2 level of intoxication I also have no doubt that the repetitions would have continued for far longer independently of the episode's concurrent DPT concentration levels if I hadn't.

After almost 13 years of use even familiar psychedelics continue to surprise me. I think it's terrifying that an episode like this one can happen at all. To tumble endlessly through a labyrinth of myself unable even to summon the indignation to scream is a terror worse than I could have imagined. But it is also a profound testament to the facility of our minds that something so seemingly catastrophic as a looped ego pattern can be corrected though conscious understanding and epiphany. DPT taught me a psycho-philosophical lesson I had never read of or heard hinted about, and provided it through incomparably valuable first-hand experience.

As self-aware beings, I can't imagine being charged with a more natural or pressing responsibility than to use the complete repertoire of our material and cognitive resources towards expanding the limits of those aspects of our awareness that make us unique within the full breadth of the experiential realm. What tools today could be more valuable to those ends than these non-endogenous bridges of psychomatter we continue to lay across moribund voids to new and great expanses of the mind that are physiologically impossible to reach without them? I will not let horror dissuade me, not least a revealing horror. I won't fear such opportunity.
 
^Very interesting. I must say, I've had similar experiences with insufflated DPT; though only really during the peak. I find that symmettry seems to be enhanced or inversion of "things" when on DPT. For example, if I shut my eyes, an image would appear on the left, to be countered by the inverse isometric image on the right (or the other way around, I cannot remember). Also, things like stereoscopic vision and sound seem enhanced to the point where they actually seperate.

I'd wondered if it was a breakdown in communication between our left and right hemishperes.

Nice report, and very detailed :)
 
Caustic echoes, absolutely incredible. psoodOnym, you have a wonderfully powerful mind. I feel certain it could manifest anything.
 
^Thanks BreakingSet. Your comments on my reports are always flattering, and I need an ego boost after that trip!
swillow said:
Very interesting. I must say, I've had similar experiences with insufflated DPT; though only really during the peak. I find that symmettry seems to be enhanced or inversion of "things" when on DPT. For example, if I shut my eyes, an image would appear on the left, to be countered by the inverse isometric image on the right (or the other way around, I cannot remember). Also, things like stereoscopic vision and sound seem enhanced to the point where they actually seperate.

I'd wondered if it was a breakdown in communication between our left and right hemishperes.
Could you elaborate on your comment on stereoscopic vision and sound seeming separate? I'm not sure in what sense you mean "separate," but anyway you do mean it is interesting!

The peak is certainly where I'd expect to encounter a phenomenon like the "second seconds." Perhaps it occurs briefly and fairly frequently during other people's DPT trips at the peak, maybe even my own, but there's just too much else going on to really recognize what's happening in time to describe it explicitly to oneself. The fact that in my experience such a severe phenomenon persisted during the far more mild comedown makes me think the DPT was responsible for whatever event initiated the "error," but that, once established, the error pattern was to some degree self-sustaining independently of the DPT. Still, I believe DPT's presence, however small, was necessary to sustain that error pattern since I'm not aware of any mental pathology that closely resembles my description.

DPT may influence communication between the hemispheres, too. It's an interesting thought and I wonder in what way it might, and how other psychedelics might do the same.

The repetitions required the orchestration of faculties of both hemispheres, so that possibility doesn't look like it played a large role in my particular experience. I don't think it was the work of a memory glitch either, because a wide array of experiences recurred--sensory, intellectual, votive, emotional, etc.--and memory typically records certain types of experiences better than others (I might, for example, expect that a smell would recur but my sense of the orientation of my head would not). I still suspect it was a degraded re-creation of the pattern that underlies access consciousness that took two seconds to manifest its experiential gestalt.
 
Psoodonym, that report was incredible. :) I really felt like I was there in your mind... as much as not being you could anyway.
 
Or you were having a strong precognitive episode. The "second seconds" were actually your now time. I would be willing to bet something more valuable than money that it had nothing to do with the actual splitting of the hemispheres of your biological brain in any empirical way, and much more to do with the complexity of imagination and hallucination coupled with a keen intellect and extraordinary wit.
 
BreakingSet said:
Or you were having a strong precognitive episode. The "second seconds" were actually your now time.
Ha, that was one of the things I thought that first started out as pure imagination and that in the midst of the confusion I forgot I was pretending. It's one example of the metaphysical horrors I was referring to.

I suppose I can never know for sure, but the idea that I was hallucinating/imagining the condition was one of the things that I tried to tell myself I was doing (something I could recognize would have been comforting) but that just didn't cohere as an explanation to me.

I didn't have the idea first. It took me a long time to recognize what was happening at all. The episode preceded anything I imagined about it. It seemed much more mechanical; it was incredibly consistent and invariable in its timing and intensity. At one point I started glancing around quickly. I would look to the right and wait for the re-experience of the sensation of glancing to my right. Upon the re-experience I would look to the left, and wait for the re-experience again. I continued in this pattern until I "got the beat" of the repetitions and started tapping my foot along with them. I did this a few times at different points in the trip with different movements to try to understand something about what was happening and there were always the same number of foot taps between the segments. My imagination is far too capricious and impatient to produce and maintain something so disciplined, with or without the help of a psychedelic, and so I couldn't accept it as an explanation.
 
Understood. By the way, I did not intend to sound like I was doubting or trying to add to or change the perception of your experience. I personally respect the point of view(s) you've presented, and make my comments in reverence.

I mentioned the precog thing because its something I've experienced. The episode was similar in nature to what you've describe, but we being two individuation's of the great ineffable, if you will allow me to be so pretentious, came to different conclusions.

It confuses me when I hear people ask, repeatedly, about hallucinations and visuals, likening psychedelics to console video games. My hallucinations are lke what you're describing here. Always. The visual aspect is kiddy cotton candy enjoyed after the real thrill ride is over, or like the cigarette after the sex: it ain't what I came for. This, your TR, sounds like a real hallucination, to borrow from McKenna.
 
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^It's perfectly fine, I only meant to further explain the reasoning for my conclusions in case I left ambiguities in the original text.

As disconcerting as my experience of the "second seconds" was, it embodied precisely the type of profound experience I've hoped, and continue to hope, to take from these experiments with consciousness.
 
Wow, that is seriously remarkable!
Thanks for the extended tale man.

Personally I don't think I'll try DPT, from what I read it seems too brutal and while I can handle intense experiences somehow this substance sounds dangerous to me. Like it opens up realms that should be closed if you aren't already familiar with the territory. And I've heard many times before of psychological effects so heavy that I can easily see it dislocate something. DMT would be over the edge as well but apparently it's more like a therapeutic journey with a force behind it that is in the end a benevolent one. As I understand it there is something dark about DPT and I don't want to test if there is something too extreme lurking in the shadows of DPT-land.

Though it keeps fascinating me a lot, it scares me a fraction more.
 
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Personally I don't think I'll try DPT, from what I read it seems too brutal and while I can handle intense experiences somehow this substance sounds dangerous to me. Like it opens up realms that should be closed if you aren't already familiar with the territory. And I've heard many times before of psychological effects so heavy that I can easily see it dislocate something. DMT would be over the edge as well but apparently it's more like a therapeutic journey with a force behind it that is in the end a benevolent one. As I understand it there is something dark about DPT and I don't want to test if there is something too extreme lurking in the shadows of DPT-land.
Up until this point DPT has been one of the most yielding and benign substances I've ever used. It often produced profound experiences, but it conducted those experiences in the most graceful possible way. I personally don't assign any malignant or dark properties to DPT itself; to me, this is just one more of the many totally unexpected events that I've experienced using many different psychedelics.
Thanks for the extended tale man.
I'm glad you appreciate the length. To me, it's simple necessity. I don't think all that much about a unique experience involving something so strange as a psychedelic can be captured in less than 1000 words. When I read short reports I rarely feel as though I know anything substantial about the writer's mental experience of the psychedelic beyond what the reports' brevity, by necessity, often relegates to re-hashed and over-generalized cliches (which make it way too easy for the reader to project whatever they want, factual or not, into the experience--in fact, maybe that's the other major reason why short reports are so popular!). I just end up knowing the basics of what happened, which is of course a story, but it's not something I think of as a trip report artistically and informatively. I'd prefer to just get the stats on dose, onset, duration etc. in a lot of these cases...
 
Fascinating report … trailing seems to be a fairly consistent effect of 5-HT psychedelics, and flanging with dissociatives, but the dual styluses “scratching the same groove of time” is an altogether different phenomenon it seems, and an unreported one as far as I'm aware.

From my high-dose DPT trip, I distinctly remember proprioceptive trailing to the extreme, so much so that if I were to move my arms even slowly, they would seem to occupy all the space along the trajectory of the movement. I’ve also noticed this sort of trailing to lesser degrees with other psychedelics, but I don't have any recollection of a punctuated re-experiencing phenomenon. From your description it seems it would be a difficult experience to forget.

That being said, just the other night I experienced what might be a similar phenomenon. Luckily it was spurred by DMT, so the disturbing effect dissipated in a matter of minutes. I injected 20 mg DMT and 5 mg ketamine IV while listening to Sigur Ros on the tail end of my LSD trip. When I opened my eyes after 5 minutes of DMT-inspired awe, the degree of sensory flanging was somewhat disconcerting. It was not as severe as is possible with dissociatives, but it was more prominent than anticipated. What made the flanging unique, however, was that the individual visual frames were not entirely discreet ... think 15 fps, but with blurring between each frame. Then I experienced something completely different; I started to notice double and triple drum beats in the music. My memory is not crystal clear of this event, but from what I remember, if I focused my attention on the music, it would cohere into a unified stream. If I relaxed my focus on the other hand, the music would become dismantled, and I would begin to recognize stray beats, a temporary dual stylus phenomenon where a single sensory stimulus was perceived in duplicate (or maybe even triplicate?). The “second” beats were separated from the first by only a fraction of a second. It was not a steady, consistent duplication of my experience, rather it seemed to come and go as the DMT effect wore off. The experience was accompanied by a difficult to describe feeling of disintegrated thought processes as well. The brevity of the experience prevented deeper analysis of the state. I can't say I wanted to revisit it either though.

Solipsys said:
Personally I don't think I'll try DPT, from what I read it seems too brutal and while I can handle intense experiences somehow this substance sounds dangerous to me.

Perhaps you should reconsider. ;)<3

I sent these and a few other glowing descriptions of DPT to a friend not too long ago.

Per Psood0nym:

"I find DPT's CEVs--and perhaps 2C-E's--to be the most beautiful of the many psychedelics I've experienced. For me, they are overwhelmingly feminine in character, constructed of grand ethereal plumes, silky tessellations, and delicate, luminous wisps. Their tactile dimension is velveteen and profoundly yielding--almost liquid-like--yet despite all this finery there is an undeniable power and majesty alloyed with their designs."

"Yes, it is the most tactile and synaesthetic psychedelic of my collected experiences. There is an overwhelming sense of a yielding aspect, as well as an almost immaterial limpidness in its character. Every stride sails by spider’s silk. Innocence, majesty, and mercy become the highest qualities.

Its metaphysical myth-making faculties are second only to 2C-E in their prolificness. Through the portal of this quality I have seen two men, small, wizened and wise, pursuing one another eternally on bicycle-like contraptions across the exposed root system of titanic Spirit Lifting Pylon Trees. Their infinitely contented laughter soaks into the vault of leaves, and raises the branches and their spectral burden endlessly toward the sun through the mere sound of its levity. (It is not just a vision, but a whole surrounding narrative, complete with nascent taxonomies, that it imports.) In short, DPT is like a fairytale for happily schizophrenic children."
 
Could you elaborate on your comment on stereoscopic vision and sound seeming separate? I'm not sure in what sense you mean "separate," but anyway you do mean it is interesting!

Kinda hard too....Basically, besides an increase in symetry, there appears to be an intense breakdown in input to seperate organs ie. eyes and ears. We have two ears and can hence tell the direction of sound; when on DPT I would find myself completely hearing the original sound (whatever it was), processing it and then re-hearing it, on the other side.

With vision, I seem to have seperate "hallucinations" enetering each eye; meh, my explaining is shit, but it "feels" like everything is divided in two, and what enters my left eye is placed in the right of my brain, and vice versa- if I concentrated, I could almost focus on one "direction", yet whichedver I focused on (ie. left eye) seemed to correspond to a physical position on the opposite side of my skull. :\

I don't know if DPT creates any biological severance of hemispheric communication- either it enhances it, so each "brain" can be witnessed processing data seperately ad rapidly, or it slows transmission, so each "brain" has time to input data and process it to conciousness before aamalgamating the two.

I tried...;):D

As I understand it there is something dark about DPT and I don't want to test if there is something too extreme lurking in the shadows of DPT-land.

I think the 'darkness' of DPT is an illusion. The real fact is that, whilst mightly weird phenomena can occurr when on it that appears to be of a sinister nature, high doses are extremely joyous. I almost think the dark parts are aspects of a little joke DPT is playing :)
 
What made the flanging unique, however, was that the individual visual frames were not entirely discreet ... think 15 fps, but with blurring between each frame.

The first thing I thought of when I read this was Jan Svankmajer's "A Quiet Week in the House." Click the video over to 4:30 to see what I mean.

Yeah, the experience would've been far less disconcerting if it had been a purely visual or somatosensory phenomena. It's easier to imagine a small change in "syntax" leading to a processing loop in such a case since perceptual coding is presumably much more similar within perceptual faculties than between them.

I'm glad you were able to put some of my old posts about DPT to good use!

swillow said:
I don't know if DPT creates any biological severance of hemispheric communication- either it enhances it, so each "brain" can be witnessed processing data seperately ad rapidly, or it slows transmission, so each "brain" has time to input data and process it to conciousness before aamalgamating the two.

I tried...
Thanks. I do get what you're saying. You did a good job!
 
Intensely intriguing to say the least. Thanks for replying Dondante and Psoodonym, I have indeed reconsidered - DPT came on my path recently and while I didn't make a priority of the stuff out of simple anxious procrastination, I decided to acquire it anyway and its in my posession already.
Now to find the right time and place and I will go on a magical journey or two of my own!
 
This is a very well written trip report. Your ability to clearly articulate the experience of a psychedelic like DPT is enviable. You've certainly sparked my interest in DPT, to say the least.
 
^Thanks for the compliment and for bumping this; it reminded me to check back at Erowid. The report just made it on today and is currently the first listed under "Difficult Experiences" in the DPT Vault.

It is interesting indeed. When DPT makes a move on the psyche it's tectonic.
 
somehow somewhere your experience reminds me of a key structure in Derrida's discourse on iteration. you might want to look into that, having experience firsthand this structure of consciousness (or thought, more precisely) he is trying to describe. If you do, stick to his original texts, interpretations are garbage when you have already experienced it yourself in its unspeakable Presence. The beauty of a great philosophical text is that it can come so close to wording this, all while accepting it predestined failure to do so, and as such leave an 'open space'; a 'lichtung', wherein It can manifest itself before ones eyes.

"the structure of iteration implies both identity and difference. The iterability of an element divides its own identity a priori. It is because this iterability splits each element while constituting it that the remainder is never that of a full or fulfilling presence."

(pertaining the difference between a symbol/sign/word and the actual experience of its referrant in the ungrabbable (lol) 'now')
 
somehow somewhere your experience reminds me of a key structure in Derrida's discourse on iteration.
I think this is where it might remind you of Derrida:
I can't empty my mind of thought because the echo is, itself, thought. It is automatically layered, it is always already inside.
"Always already" is a Derridean phrase. Thanks for the recommended reading. Iteration was certainly a central theme of the experience!
 
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