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Douchebag selling TMNT Doses as LSD.

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LSDreamer13

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Where is this going around primarily, the US, Europe, elsewhere? We don't discuss batches in PD, we do in the separate continental forums. So I don't particularly want to close this, I want to move this.
 
If you know who the person is, and they are knowingly doing this, consider reporting him to the cops anonymously. Fuck people who do this.
 
Transcendence said:
If you know who the person is, and they are knowingly doing this, consider reporting him to the cops anonymously. Fuck people who do this.
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No do not do this. Law of unintended consequences. EVERYONE who is buying "doses" is deliberately knowingly doing something illegal and risky. Involving the cops is trampling peoples' rights to engage in voluntary vicitimless crimes like drug use.

You, Transcendence, are apparently having an attack of assholeism for suggesting this.

You are a "Shit." And a snitch. We "Johnsons" despise people like you. (see http://ashejournal.com/index.php?id=32) And I thought you were one of the good guys, but apparently you are a collaborator with the fuckheads who want to destroy all rights to alter our own consciousness. Go splash your face with cold water and snap out of it.
 
Transcendence said:
If you know who the person is, and they are knowingly doing this, consider reporting him to the cops anonymously. Fuck people who do this.
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look, most people THINK about it, I gotta say i did when i got robbed by one of my dealers for 500 bucks, the difference is that I didn't, I wouldn't, thats just fuckin dumb. We all play the game, how would you like it if cops busted you because some kid thought it was a good idea.
 
Involving the cops is trampling peoples' rights to engage in voluntary vicitimless crimes like drug use.
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Selling potentially deadly research chemicals as LSD is a victimless crime? I know several people (including myself) who almost died because some asshole sold DOB as LSD. So I'm part of a conspiracy to "destroy all rights to alter our own consciousness" because I'm against people selling DOx or NMBOe as LSD, or fentanyl as heroin, or bleach powder as cocaine? LOL, okay, I'm a pig then.

As for all of us "playing the game", the difference is this isn't a fucking game to me. I might be irresponsible with my own life on occasion but I don't play games with other people's lives or have any sympathy for people that do. You guys are too immature to be doing psychedelic drugs if you play into this juvenile gangster fantasy.
 
^ Incidentally, (apologies for off topic diversion) Burroughs final trilogy, Cities of the Red Night / The Place of Dead Roads / The Western Lands, to which the above article about Johnsons vs Shits refers is absolute pure unadulterated genius, his swan song, the crowning achievement of his career and even of all of human literature. Seriously. It truly transcends fiction into the realm of genuine mythology, filled with sparking brilliant language, imagery, situations, and concepts. Actually hopeful and cautiously optimistic. If you were turned off by the more famous but EXTREMELY bitter and gross Junkie or Naked Lunch (or worse the horrible derivative Cronnenberg film version crap) then you owe it to your self to read these... the EDUCATE you... put in contact with a whole other level of thought about existence... they will blow your mind and expand your soul.

Here's a quote:

I want to reach the Western Lands - right in front of you, across the bubbling brook. It's a frozen sewer. All the filth and horror, fear, hate, disease and death of human history flows between you and the Western Lands. Let it flow! How long does it take a man to learn that he does not, cannot want what he "wants." You have to be in Hell to see Heaven. Glimpses from the Land of the Dead, flashes of serene timeless joy, a joy as old as suffering and despair.(p257)​

Here's a post/review/adulation I wrote about it for the Psychedelic Books topic here http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...Books-Thread?p=8677665&viewfull=1#post8677665
 
Kick the shit out of him and take his money, or go around and tell everyone that hes selling bunk shit.


dont send him to jail. Thats fucked up man. Your ruining his life, because he (probably with out knowing!!!!) sold some bunk shit?

naahhh....



^.... What? I fail to see how that relates LSD :\
 
This isn't bunk shit. There's a clear difference between selling weak or inactive drugs, and maliciously misrepresenting one (potentially physically dangerous) drug as another (physically safe) drug. With the former, the worst case is a disappointing evening. With the later, the worst case is losing a limb or dying.
 
Transcendence said:
So I'm part of a conspiracy to "destroy all rights to alter our own consciousness" because I'm against people selling DOx or NMBOe as LSD, or fentanyl as heroin, or bleach powder as cocaine?.
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This does not come from any "juvenile gangster fanatasy". I probably have far more years of experience buying and doing drugs than you do. I didn't criticize you because you are against selling mislabeled drugs. But because you advocated turning the dealer into the cops.

I'm sorry for your experience, and I totally understand your anger, but that does not obviate one of the responsibility to CAREFULLY TEST ALL SUBSTANCES AT LOW DOSES (OR BY OTHER MEANS) WHEN A BATCH IS FIRST PROCURED. ***ANY*** drug of any kind, from blotters, to research chems, to cocaine, to weed COULD TOTALLY AT RANDOM actually be something else substituted or misconstrued by your dealer or his supplier AT ANY TIME!

DUH!

The solution is NOT to go turning Pig, darling. It's for **YOU** to check the veracity of the substance, via testing by lab, kit, low-dose-escalation usage, or asking close trusted friends who tried it. Its YOUR responsibility, understand? When you almost died by eating multiple doses of blotters that you really had no idea what was on them, YOU almost killed YOURSELF by FOOLISHLY gobbling up a bunch of something based on some profiteer's word because you were in a hurry and greedy for a quick buzz, got it bucko? The answer is to be MORE CAREFUL AND RESPONSIBLE not to snitch to the pigs because YOU failed to exercise proper cautionary measures.

Or take measures into your own hands as outlined by the above poster. What if turning him in results in him loosing his job, ad his wife & kids ending up dying on the street due to becoming homeless? Because you were too lazy to exercize blatently obvious cautions and properly test an illegal recreational drug acquisition before consuming it. Yea, right, that's the proper ethical formula.
 
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Yes, everyone is responsible for testing their drugs. I take responsibility for what happened to me. But the weird thing is, you and several other people here seem to consider a drug dealer to be a protected class. So let me get this straight: a drug dealer should be able to do anything, including selling deadly chemicals as innocuous drugs or rob someone, and they shouldn't go to jail simply because they're a drug dealer?
 
Only if you are willing to sign a confession that you bought and consumed an illegal drug and also go to jail as well. I never said drug dealers were a "protected class." Obviously, according to the law, he should have been in jail even if it was the purest cleanest LSD on the planet, or in the US even if it was blank but he merely represented it as LSD. Selling something as something else is in no way more illegal. Just more unethical.

(Oh, is there evidence that 25i-NBOMe is "deadly"? If so, we would all be interested it that... I had not heard that. So I really dont think this is on a par with like selling rat poison as coke or something like that, which is what you seem to be implying. Just because people can eat dozens of hits of LSD without physical harm does not mean they SHOULD do so just because some dude they dont know they bought SOMETHING from in a crowd somewhere told them that its LSD)
 
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"i don't know how a stool pigeon can live with himself"
drug dealers may well be a 'protected class' around here - without them, many of us would be unable to explore our own consciousnesses in the ways we choose.
you do not go to the police if someone misrepresents a substance.
that is fucking low. i hate to simplify this, but we're in a war here - who's side are you on?
there's a reason why rats are more hated than rip-off artists. think about it before you go advocating snitching on a drug forum, jesus.

ps - dwayne i've been meaning to read that book for years now. thanks for the glowing recommendation : )
 
spacejunk said:
"i don't know how a stool pigeon can live with himself"
drug dealers may well be a 'protected class' around here - without them, many of us would be unable to explore our own consciousnesses in the ways we choose.
you do not go to the police if someone misrepresents a substance.
that is fucking low. i hate to simplify this, but we're in a war here - who's side are you on?
there's a reason why rats are more hated than rip-off artists. think about it before you go advocating snitching on a drug forum, jesus.

ps - dwayne i've been meaning to read that book for years now. thanks for the glowing recommendation : )
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Good points, all. BTW you can enjoy The Western Lands without reading the 2 in the trilogy that come before it, but it's highly recommended... really deepens the experience.
 
You're either with us or against us eh? You sound like Bush. The world isn't black and white. There's a clear difference between snitching to avoid jail time and "snitching" to prevent people from getting seriously hurt.

I consider a drug dealer to be a merchant, nothing more or less. If I went down to the deli and bought a sandwich and the store owner took a shit in it, I would do everything in my power to make sure he lost his business. "Oh b-but what if he's supporting his family by selling people shit sandwiches? That's low man". Yeah alright, I'm supposed to care?
 
SO basically you are utilizing the cops, the DA, the judges, the prosecutors, the evil evil evil DEA and taxpayers money to act as your personal illegal recreational drug quality control department?

To do so is to lending strong support and highly inflammatory tools to their agenda about ALL drugs. Strengthening their arguments that even honest dealers selling pure real things are dangerous menaces to society who should be given life sentences. Oh and also users like YOU who aid and abet and support them as customers. Just by being a customer seeking to buy LSD *YOU* have called the dealers selling these misrepresentations into existence, hence YOU are partly culpable for anyone who is damaged by any truly dangerous substitutions... <<< I won't argue that myself - though it is strictly true in an academic macro economic analysis way, it clearly does not really apply to the shit-sandwich shop example.

Apparently you are not thinking about the unintended consequences of snitching very deeply. The moral thread casts a wide net, and it WILL ensnare YOU eventually as well.

Oh and no answer about references for your claim that 25i-NBOMe is "deadly"? Gotcha.
 
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