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Heroin Double vision and heroin

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RTrain

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So when I get real high, like nodding or near nodding high, I will see double (diplopia to the medical commmunty) rather easily. I can fix it by blinking and prevent it by putting more effort into focusing or blocking/closing one eye. It typically happens when I am looking at something close.

Anyone else experience this when they are high on opiates? In the case you do suffer from this, have you ever looked in the mirror to see what your eyes are doing when you are having the double vision?
 
Well I seem to be able to also make myself go into double vision by focusing on things, too. Its especially easy for me to do when high. I decided to look in the mirror to see what my eyes did when I was having double vision and what I saw was rather interesting. My double vision seems to be from me suffering from what is known as exotropia, when one eye remains looking at what it is suppose to and the other drifts off laterally. It has me somewhat concerned.

I have read one study with a very small sample involving heroin and eye disorders such as exotropia that are called strabismus. It notes only 7 people, 5 of whom has the opposite of what I have, where one eye turns in and the other stays straight, they were withdrawing from heroin. The other 2 experienced exotropia, alike myself, when using heroin. So it does not seem impossible that it is caused by the heroin. But I would like to see if anyone could do what I did and check out their eyes in the mirror when they have double vision and see if they notice this exotropia I speak of.
 
yes, just cuz your muscles relax and your eyes go out of focus, obviously you can fix it if you just concentrate and look at something
 
It's not actually double vision. This happens to me every time I do a decent amount of dope. It just relaxes your eye muscles, causing your eyes to stop focusing parallax on shit thats immediately in front of you. They automatically retract to direct their gaze exactly parallel, which is the normal state when you're sleeping. When you're staring at a computer screen, you're actually kind of cross eyed because your computer is so close to your eyes. When you're on dope, your eyes are just like "fuck that shit i'm goin to sleep" so you end up seeing 2 computer screens. This effect is not permanent and it's not harmful. Actually it might even be good for your eyes; these days eye strain is a big problem that contributes to poor vision.
"Staring at a computer all day hurts your eyes? Try heroin today! Immediate Relief!"
 
i also believe this is a common side effect. I remember many times having to drive with one eye closed because of it.
 
Doing a lot of dope made my eyes lazy too. If I shift my eyes one would struggle to keep up with the other. I noticed it mostly when brushing my teeth: id look down to spit in the sink and when id look up, one eye would still be looking down. Double vision meant good dope though.
 
Pretty much the same as getting very drunk, double vision occurs. The difference is by the time that occurs when im drunk im very much over it and about to get sick, but with the opiates its an indicator of good times ahead.
 
Hmmm, yes I was pretty well aware of the occurrence of double vision when using opiates being quite common, its really the etiology of the condition that I wonder about. Like I said, when its happening and you look i the mirror, where are your eyes going?
 
vajeeh said:
i also believe this is a common side effect. I remember many times having to drive with one eye closed because of it.
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Same here.

Sometimes it would get so bad I would think the cars on the other side of the street were actually in my lane. Luckily I did know better not to swerve in order to avoid the head on collision.

A bit of a mental paradox there..

(ofc I wish I didn't drive in this condition.)

I also questioned whether something like quinine could intensify this effect.
 
this thread's title makes me think of foreigner. for the sake of harm reduction, avoid that band.
 
^You take that back, foreigner is a great band. "Urgent"? "Juke Box Hero"? Now those are some good songs, you can't argue that.

Also, since quinine was mentioned, I have had the assumption my current H is heavily cut with quinine. The taste is rather stronger than usual, that is the chemically quinine taste is stronger.
 
I don't get this at all, but I do too much and I end up doing the fuckin gangsta lean.....

Was too fucked up last week and ended up smashing my face on the counter and broke my nose....grr!

Wish I'd get diploplia as a warning, haha.

<3
 
I guess you guys know this but..

quinine is very dangerous. There is evidence that a lot of so-called lethal "overdoses" of heroin were possibly caused by quinine. (acute pulmonary edema) I don't know how often its used as a cut nowadays though.

quinine toxicity produces symptoms of blurred/loss of vision, defective colour vision, and constricted visual field
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The majority of deaths," Dr. Baden told the AMA physicians, "are due to an acute reaction to the intravenous injection of the heroin-quinine-sugar mixture. This type of death is often referred to as an 'overdose,' which is a misnomer. Death is not due to a pharmacological overdose in the vast majority of cases."
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^1970's

The Doc is the guy from that old show autopsy on HBO
 
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Zerrr said:
I guess you guys know this but..

quinine is very dangerous. There is evidence that a lot of so-called lethal "overdoses" of heroin were possibly caused by quinine. (acute pulmonary edema) I don't know how often its used as a cut nowadays though.




^1970's

The Doc is the guy from that old show autopsy on HBO
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So its the combination, seeing as in most cases of overdose in which the person is a apneic or breathing like 4 or less very shallow breaths a minute, they will come to from Narcan. So injecting the amount of quinine alone in the heroin would not be a cause for morbidity, nor would the heroin on its own sans the quinine cut?



I have done some research that seems to show quinine in high doses potentially capable of inflaming the optic nerve, causing issues like diplopia, possibly a result of eye movement disorders(termed stabismus, like I seem to have. Specifically in my case intermittent, pupil-sparing exotropia) as well as more serious vision issues like blurriness and loss of vision. This could be the cause of my issues, I guess I will find out as I am stopping my current use of heroin and switching to Suboxone in the next few days. So I will have to see how things go after the quinine leaves my system (if it is the case), its got a long half life (~18 hours) so it will take a while to see as even after it clears out the inflammation might be gradual in its reduction. I hope this is the issue because otherwise its time for a trip to the hospital and I do have insurance but to get any type of definitive diagnosis I am still going to be paying a lot out of pocket regardless of a copay.
 
RTrain said:
So its the combination, seeing as in most cases of overdose in which the person is a apneic or breathing like 4 or less very shallow breaths a minute, they will come to from Narcan. So injecting the amount of quinine alone in the heroin would not be a cause for morbidity, nor would the heroin on its own sans the quinine cut?
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I should have said the combo could be responsible for some of the deaths that have been attributed to a lethal "overdose" of heroin.

I have read that quinine alone can cause acute pulmonary edema (fluid accumulation in the air spaces and parenchyma of the lungs) I believe the patient in the article did survive tho. I assume A.P.E would be more likely to happen when both drugs are injected simultaneously.

Also, that was technically an assumption by the Doctor, a reasonable one imo. I'll link the article.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/cu/cu12.htm

I find it interesting regardless of it's relevance today.
 
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