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Dosing on a broken heart

I recently broke up with my first real love, and girlfriend of roughly 5 years. A few days afterwards I found myself, almost against my own will, packing DMT and smoking it.

It brought an unbelievable sense of life, and excitment. All my pain and suffering became an exploding/imploding (not sure which) star and I felt alive, despite the fact I hurt perhaps more than ever.

Since then I've been a little less of the walking dead, and a little more myself. I'm still angry, hurt and working through my emotions but I found such a brief and profound reach into psychedelia did me well. I had some more the day after however, and that felt redundant and perhaps even damaging.

I was considering taking perhaps 70ugs of LSD tonight to try and work through my thoughts and feelings, but I'm still slightly hesitant so I'm not sure.

Hope this information can help you some OP :)
 
Reverend Random said:
Interesting that all of you would choose a phenethylamine. I would think that mushrooms could be very helpful as well, but maybe too confronting? What is about tryptamines that you guys feel is harsher?
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Trypts are, IME, just very "rough" teachers, they're a bit more "crazy." This is their strength because it can make you see things you weren't able to see before. Phenethylamines, on the other hand, aren't really teachers but change your thought in a certain way which allows you to think about things differently. Obviously, that's not the same for every chemical and not everyone's trip is the same, but that's the mayor difference I've noted between the headspaces.

What you prefer for different purposes is entirely up to you, some people (you?) feel the ass-kicking of a good tryptamine is much more productive. I don't think that's really for most people in rough situations, zn13bt put it nicely as an existential terror ride. I guess it boils down the same old "psychedelic vs. psycholytic"-debate

This is only a big deal when in a negative mood though, tryptamines and phenethylamines can be equally fun.
 
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bidkillmax said:
Trypts are, IME, just very "rough" teachers, they're a bit more "crazy." This is their strength because it can make you see things you weren't able to see before. Phenethylamines, on the other hand, aren't really teachers but change your thought in a certain way which allows you to think about things differently. Obviously, that's not the same for every chemical and not everyone's trip is the same, but that's the mayor difference I've noted between the headspaces.

What you prefer for different purposes is entirely up to you, some people (you?) feel the ass-kicking of a good tryptamine is much more productive. I don't think that's really for most people in rough situations, zn13bt put it nicely as an existential terror ride. I guess it boils down the same old "psychedelic vs. psycholytic"-debate

This is only a big deal when in a negative mood though, tryptamines and phenethylamines can be equally fun.
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IMO this isn't true at all. People consistently get oh Phen's as if their nothing more than psychedelic toys, but I have the feeling that most of you have only touched the surface of the 2c's, which are a bad example of Phen's as teachers/guides, with the exception of the thio 2c's and 2c-E. I'm not calling you out specifically or anything so sorry if that is how it feels, I just get tired of how often Phen's are misrepresented. I don't have the time to get into it now, but hopefully will later....but here's a gem to make you think...DOC/DOM? Those are a simple thought changers/and/or enhancers....please(once again not calling out or anything, I just think this is an important discussion matter....!8)?
 
I wasn't saying the phens are weak at all, it's just the manner in which you work with "a problem" is done very differently. Now I haven't done 2C-E, 2C-T-x (so sad these are illegal over here, though I have my eyes open for a source) or DOM, and Mescaline is often talked about as a "gentle teacher", so I could certainly be wrong. But from what I understand so far, it's all much less a slap in the face than the tryptamines. That doesn't mean anything about the strenght, deepness or whatever, just that the way they influence you is very different.

Maybe a good analogy that with phenethylamines, you're having a bit of a discussion, but with tryptamines there's no arguing. Does that make sense?

And if I say something that's wrong, then please do call me out. That means I've got a misdirected understanding of things and that's something I try to avoid.
 
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Swim have taken mescaline and 25c- and shrooms after a bad break up and all Swim can say is that Swims experiences have shown that you could either have a good trip and work threw your problem one way or another or have a break down lol Swim has never had a negative reaction and has always come out of the experience feeling somewhat beter than Swim did before going into it. But psychedelics affect everyone differently every time so its all a personal thing
 
Skidklimax said:
I wasn't saying the phens are weak at all, it's just the manner in which you work with "a problem" is done very differently. Now I haven't done 2C-E, 2C-T-x (so sad these are illegal over here, though I have my eyes open for a source) or DOM, and Mescaline is often talked about as a "gentle teacher", so I could certainly be wrong. But from what I understand so far, it's all much less a slap in the face than the tryptamines. That doesn't mean anything about the strenght, deepness or whatever, just that the way they influence you is very different.

Maybe a good analogy that with phenethylamines, you're having a bit of a discussion, but with tryptamines there's no arguing. Does that make sense?

And if I say something that's wrong, then please do call me out. That means I've got a misdirected understanding of things and that's something I try to avoid.
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I wouldn't call you out because it's your opinion and your most certainly entitled to it! If you for instance said "Dosing 55mgs of 2c-E on a broken heart will mend it right quick!", then yes I would most definitely call you out on that but......saying how you feel something is.....nawwww!

It also has nothing to do with depth, I just simply tire of people pretending tryps are something more than phens. We don't pretend chocolate is always more flavorful than vanilla, even though most people may just agree with that statement. It just isn't how things work.


Also that analogy is the opposite, at least for me, taking tryp's is like a roller coaster ride I haven't seen much of or any before, where as most phen's are like a roller coaster that's been riden before, but possibly modified without your knowledge. Like say they add an extra loop at the end.


P.S. I like your moxy kid, most people get pissy when their ideas are even viewed upon with a differing opinion!

P.P.S. Haha funny you bring up mescaline, every always speaks of its gentle nature and such, but take 750mgs+ or even pass a gram and mescalinaity's(my own made up word....play on masculine for those not quick on the draw....)power swirls into a whirlwind every bit as potent as say 350+ug's of LSD.
 
imo, theres no such thing as bad trips, just hard experiences that will make you into a better person, and make you realize things you never knew before.
 
I<3Hallucinogens said:
imo, theres no such thing as bad trips, just hard experiences that will make you into a better person, and make you realize things you never knew before.
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IDK I would have to gander a guess that those who left windows believing they could fly, or ran down the street nude, or were tased/encountered police intervention would beg to differ but ah well... C'est la vie!
 
As Solipsis advised I will stay away from releasers, the crash seems a bit much right now. Even though, I do have some aMT laying around somewhere in the Freezer...

I will get some Ketamine too, never been in that K-hole, about time to pay a visit (not for mixing ofc).

I'll find a day where I'm on top, and then take a dose, probably 35 mg. And I'll bump this thread when it's done

Good luck. We're with you.
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Thanks :)
 
Help?!?! said:
IDK I would have to gander a guess that those who left windows believing they could fly, or ran down the street nude, or were tased/encountered police intervention would beg to differ but ah well... C'est la vie!
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Although I disagree with I<3Hallucinogens, as I have had a bad trip before on psilocybin, but who said jumping out of windows and running around naked constitutes a bad trip?
 
Personally I would not trip if I was upset. Swim got in a fight with boyfriend, later in the day swim and boyfriend took 4 grams of mushrooms. Had a BAD TRiP. Swim has tripped a lot, and never had a bad trip before this one!
 
Harpadarp!1!? (I can go that route too you know? =D):

That one works too, and it's pretty great, but it talks more about the general space you find yourself in rather than the pure thought process. So let me try my analogy again: I feel that with tryptamines some sort of being is trying to brand a message in your brain with a hot, multi-dimensional iron whereas phenethylamines will force/allow (the difference between the 2C-E and 2C-C?) you to do the branding yourself.

And well, Mescaline is in my top 3 of psychedelics to try (the other 2 are 2C-T-7 and DPT, btw) so I'll probably get to experience it's true power someday. Working with cactus seems too much of a hassle now though
 
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Urbanmetamorphosis said:
Although I disagree with I<3Hallucinogens, as I have had a bad trip before on psilocybin, but who said jumping out of windows and running around naked constitutes a bad trip?
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I would really have to guess pretty much everyone..... Would you not constitute that running nude or jumping out of a window sober to be a bad time(streaking and first floor windows not allowed!)? I would. I certainly don't think most people would like that unless it was in a contained environment and even then....jumping out of windows.....?
 
That went quite well. I'm glad I took 2c-c, 4-ho-mipt could have been a bit too much.
 
Glad to hear that. Could you elaborate a bit further? Curious to how you experienced your trip with 2c-c. How much did you end up taking?
 
35 mg.

It was very gentle. Reminded me of Mescaline (being a phen.). Anyway, already on the comeup the the trip started revolving about her. A bad day to run out of tissues lol. But I came to some good conclusion. About taking one day at a time, which I think is incredibly gay (which is an issue of mine) . But if I don't I'll snap like a dry twig. That's why I tripped, to move on, rushing it. That's just not how it works. So, being selfdestructive is okay right now (that coming from a psych. lol)

My brother, however, noticed that I was not that "off" as I had been. Could be a coincidence that I'm getting better, no way to tell. It could be that the act of crying actually has some function. Not something I would/could do sober (it's just so gay).

4-Ho-MIPT could have been a bit much. With 2c-c I felt very much in control. A bit too short though! 3 hours maybe less. Alot of the trip was also just having "fun". I was not incapacitated ya know

BTW, I have nothing against gay people. "gay" is just the best word I can use to get my point across (english is not my 1. language)
 
Crying is gay? Sorry, I have to disagree. I personally hardly ever cry but wish I could do it more often. Masculinity is overrated if you ask me. It's just a nonsensical block that gets in the way of experiencing true emotions. Although I suspect that (on some un- or subconscious) level also suffer from it.

Also, I am absolutely convinced that crying helps. It can be very cathartic and useful.

Thanks for clarifying the 'gay' bit btw. I do realize that it's not meant as derogatory, but I still find it somewhat offensive, because it implies something negative and that inherently reflects back to gay people. At any rate, what you mean is that you've gotten a bit 'soft' and 'fluffy' and since you're a hardened alpha male, you didn't feel like you ought to feel soft and all emotional and shit. ;) However, it's all good man.

Glad that you seemed to have gotten something of your trip. (:
 
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