Dose, tolerance, side effects and safety question.

[Justlooking529]

Hello BL,
So just figured I'd run something by you guys.
Basically my friend found a local hookup for some cheap pills a while back, and was doing them quiet frequently. After doing them about three times a month for two months, she had a really bad night. She was all paranoid and anxious, and it lasted a couple days. Testing revealed that the pills only contained ~15-25mg MDMA and the rest was caffeine and amphetamine.
So she took a month break, then scored some Molly. After testing, she took ~100mg to test and had a very minor roll. About a week later she took ~180mg and had an amazing roll. She repeated it again 5 days later. Now, 5 days later, she's wanting to roll again and finish what's left.

So here's where my questions come in.
1. Does neurotoxicity still occur from sub-recreational doses, such as 30-90mg?
2. I know most say the once a month rule, but if it is very clean MDMA, and there are no crashes occurring, no hangover, and virtually no side effects, does this reflect how your body is handling the chemical?
3. Can anybody speculate as to the safety, both physically and mentally, of what my friend is doing? It is rare that she uses this often FYI.
4. How much does pre/post loading and a regular, healthy vitamin intake help reduce harm?

Thanks in advance everyone.

 

[Darksidesam]

the neurotoxicity will probably be significiantly less,
however so will the experience at low doses , below 80mg id say

 

[Folley]

People say it's safe to roll once every 3 months. She is taking 9 times that amount.

People say you can get away with rolling once a month.. she is still taking 3 times this amount.



What do you think? Just because you don't get a comedown doesn't mean damage is not being done. This is a MAJOR mistake most rollers make, I know I did.

 

[Justlooking529]

Thanks for the replies guys.
So it looks like I should try and talk her out of it. Should I be worried though, that something could happen?

Folley, you say you made that mistake. At what cost?

 

[Darksidesam]

i think it will be damaging but not as damaging however i am not condoning mdma safe to use for any period of time, id just advise 1 month if you can wait it, or 3 months i understand some of you come from drug addiction areas but please understand this isnt really a dopamine drug, you cant use and use and use mdma its not as forgiving.

 

[Folley]

Folley, you say you made that mistake. At what cost?

An AWFUL month long comedown that turned into a year of extreme depression, with me almost on the brink of suicide several times. This is no doubt attributed to my MDMA abuse, it set off a vicious Manic-Depressive cycle that I'm still struggling to over come, likely the damage that had been caused will follow me for the rest of my life in some way, although I've mostly overcome it these days. This was from rolling every week and often times more for a good 6-8 months, however.


Almost everyone starts with no comedown in the beginning.. this is normal, it means you are healthy. By the time you get to the comedown the damage is already done, but you may be so ingrained in the "MDMA doesn't hurt me" way of thinking that you even ignore those and keep dosing. Try and get her to look over the "6 Simple Rules to MDMA" thread, it has a ton of great information for beginners.

 

[Justlooking529]

Thanks again for the replies guys.
So she decided to bomb that night, and had a decent but diminished roll. She also experienced her first crash, and it sucked. She has finally been getting her life together and has been very happy lately, and that was the most down and negative she's felt in years.
So needless to say it did a good job scaring her and she learned her lesson... Couple times a year as a rare treat, and that's it.
Thanks again