Buzz Lightbeer
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First off, let me say that this is my second experience with DOPr (first one at 5.5mg about a year ago), and I have also tried DOB, DOC, DOF, DOI, DOiP and DOM. Atypical to other’s experiences with DOPr at the same dose, I only got a small taste of the true character of the drug and I promised myself to return to it sometime. This dose in itself is extreme and completely unnecessary but I had my reasons for it.
The main one is that in my experience the effects DOx (or at least DOB & DOI) settle into something once a certain threshold is reached (I will call this the ‘groove’ later on). It’s like the brain can’t handle all the sensory input and effects at once so it feels like all of the effects are filtered and only offered to you through say 1 channel, as opposed to multiple. The result is an incredible amphetamine induced mindfuck where thinking is much clearer than you’d expect and I believe this is a point where the most amazing things can happen. This is what I wanted to experience with DOPr, to know if there even is a ‘groove’ (maybe everything was just speeded up, uncontrolled chaos) and how it would be.
Throughout this report I will mostly draw comparisons to DOB, which I feel is the most similar to DOPr out of all DOx, even though I only have had one trip on it (but one of my favorite trips ever).
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It’s 7pm and I dose 10mg of DOPr. The decision in itself was planned, the timing wasn’t. I was floating on the remains of a hypomanic cloud because of dosing Rhodiola Rosea earlier that day so all felt good and I was down for a strong ride.
First alerts started almost instantly, I was at a + by 10 minutes and it kept building slowly by the minute. One hour later I could hardly keep my eyes open and couldn’t walk in a straight line. Another hour later I was at a strong +++ and I was getting worried about the intensity, because I knew it would get even more intense for the next few hours. What if it doesn’t settle?
By now the visuals had also started, they encompassed my whole FOV but they weren’t too chaotic or ‘fucked up’ as DOI, they were slower and thus more in line with the hypnotic headspace. I would get very strong rushes of energy going through my whole body, and sometimes a seemingly super intense wave would go through my head so that I would basically fall face down in my couch.
It was around the third hour that DOPr did finally settle into that groove. Alright, this is it, the magic can begin.
For the first time in the trip I felt in control, it may well have been getting stronger but it didn’t feel like it. I remembered this feeling, so similar to my DOB trip, both the come up and peak, but with a different flavor to it. I sat in my couch, experiencing the grandiose effects. At times huge waves would continue to hit me and I’d fight them off, evade or just go with it, essentially playing with the mindfuck as you should do if you don’t want to descend into madness. But in these battles something was missing, I wasn’t getting anywhere with fighting them off, I was doing it out of necessity.
After another large wave the seriousness of the amphetamine part of DOPr really became apparent, I was boiling with energy but had no desire to use it. I knew I had to but I couldn’t bring myself up, eventually I decided to open up Facebook and talk to some friends about how the trip was going. My messages were obviously the product of a severely sped up tripping mind, lacking nuance left and right. Talking to them brought no avail, instead, things got worse. I got frustrated with how both my and my friends’ messages seemed bland and written by their most caricatural versions.
Around 6 hours in I thought it had already peaked and all was under control, then suddenly I started to feel severely ill and was throwing up and dry heaving with my head down a toilet for about 15 minutes. A toilet when tripping that hard does NOT look appealing. When looking in the mirror afterwards I saw nothing, a shell of a man, void of any emotion except disgust. And it really was disgust, disgust for myself, for others, for everything in my house and for the raging amphetamine push. I was thinking that there’s something inherently ugly about amphetamines, but I knew from DOB & DOC that this wasn’t necessarily the case. Still, I dwelled on this and my situation, I tried fixing, changing settings, nothing worked.
Then around an hour later it hit me, I was never out of the peak, it was still going on in full force and all that had passed in the past hour was basically the result of a very strong but subtle subwave. This is how the drug works, you can be so deep into a mindfuck it’s possible you don’t even realize. I laughed for quite a while at how I could have been so stupid. Maybe I and others weren’t so disgusting after all?
Filled with new energy and will I was ready to battle with DOPr again, and I did, but eventually I got to all of the same conclusions. I didn’t care, and I hated not caring. Battling is what got me so in love with DOB, but now I couldn’t be bothered, I did what I had to do while waiting for sleep.
Later on it was pointed out to me that Shulgin had introduced the term ‘Beth state’ (state of uncaring, of anhe-donia and of emotionlessness) in his description of ALEPH-7 in PIHKAL. This is exactly the kind of state I had been in for pretty much the whole trip. Maybe there was more to the drug, and there certainly was more to get out of it, but this prevented me from doing anything with it.
The rest of the trip was spent in the same emotionless haze until I went to sleep about 35 hours after dosing with the help of etizolam.
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Thinking back on it, there were hints of Beth in my first trip, hence my decision to dose 4-AcO-DMT on top of it, to feel something. I wanted to find out what DOPr was really like but a look behind the veil wasn’t pretty, I wouldn’t recommend anyone to dose this high because it isn’t really worth it.
As for pure intensity it was just a tad stronger than 2.8mg of DOB and very similar to it, but much more visual and instead of excitement and love, there was cloudiness and Beth.
This is just my experience on it, and I know several others have had great trips on DOPr but the drug is not for me. I think this is quite exactly what people mean when they started to really dislike DOB after a couple trips, I think they saw the ugly in the amphetamine part just as I did this weekend. All in all, it wasn’t that bad, I think it’s safe to say I have never tripped as hard, even though my ego was always fully intact, and it was certainly an interesting experience, although not very fun. And sadly, with DOx, you’re pretty much always aiming for extreme fun.
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The main one is that in my experience the effects DOx (or at least DOB & DOI) settle into something once a certain threshold is reached (I will call this the ‘groove’ later on). It’s like the brain can’t handle all the sensory input and effects at once so it feels like all of the effects are filtered and only offered to you through say 1 channel, as opposed to multiple. The result is an incredible amphetamine induced mindfuck where thinking is much clearer than you’d expect and I believe this is a point where the most amazing things can happen. This is what I wanted to experience with DOPr, to know if there even is a ‘groove’ (maybe everything was just speeded up, uncontrolled chaos) and how it would be.
Throughout this report I will mostly draw comparisons to DOB, which I feel is the most similar to DOPr out of all DOx, even though I only have had one trip on it (but one of my favorite trips ever).
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It’s 7pm and I dose 10mg of DOPr. The decision in itself was planned, the timing wasn’t. I was floating on the remains of a hypomanic cloud because of dosing Rhodiola Rosea earlier that day so all felt good and I was down for a strong ride.
First alerts started almost instantly, I was at a + by 10 minutes and it kept building slowly by the minute. One hour later I could hardly keep my eyes open and couldn’t walk in a straight line. Another hour later I was at a strong +++ and I was getting worried about the intensity, because I knew it would get even more intense for the next few hours. What if it doesn’t settle?
By now the visuals had also started, they encompassed my whole FOV but they weren’t too chaotic or ‘fucked up’ as DOI, they were slower and thus more in line with the hypnotic headspace. I would get very strong rushes of energy going through my whole body, and sometimes a seemingly super intense wave would go through my head so that I would basically fall face down in my couch.
It was around the third hour that DOPr did finally settle into that groove. Alright, this is it, the magic can begin.
For the first time in the trip I felt in control, it may well have been getting stronger but it didn’t feel like it. I remembered this feeling, so similar to my DOB trip, both the come up and peak, but with a different flavor to it. I sat in my couch, experiencing the grandiose effects. At times huge waves would continue to hit me and I’d fight them off, evade or just go with it, essentially playing with the mindfuck as you should do if you don’t want to descend into madness. But in these battles something was missing, I wasn’t getting anywhere with fighting them off, I was doing it out of necessity.
After another large wave the seriousness of the amphetamine part of DOPr really became apparent, I was boiling with energy but had no desire to use it. I knew I had to but I couldn’t bring myself up, eventually I decided to open up Facebook and talk to some friends about how the trip was going. My messages were obviously the product of a severely sped up tripping mind, lacking nuance left and right. Talking to them brought no avail, instead, things got worse. I got frustrated with how both my and my friends’ messages seemed bland and written by their most caricatural versions.
Around 6 hours in I thought it had already peaked and all was under control, then suddenly I started to feel severely ill and was throwing up and dry heaving with my head down a toilet for about 15 minutes. A toilet when tripping that hard does NOT look appealing. When looking in the mirror afterwards I saw nothing, a shell of a man, void of any emotion except disgust. And it really was disgust, disgust for myself, for others, for everything in my house and for the raging amphetamine push. I was thinking that there’s something inherently ugly about amphetamines, but I knew from DOB & DOC that this wasn’t necessarily the case. Still, I dwelled on this and my situation, I tried fixing, changing settings, nothing worked.
Then around an hour later it hit me, I was never out of the peak, it was still going on in full force and all that had passed in the past hour was basically the result of a very strong but subtle subwave. This is how the drug works, you can be so deep into a mindfuck it’s possible you don’t even realize. I laughed for quite a while at how I could have been so stupid. Maybe I and others weren’t so disgusting after all?
Filled with new energy and will I was ready to battle with DOPr again, and I did, but eventually I got to all of the same conclusions. I didn’t care, and I hated not caring. Battling is what got me so in love with DOB, but now I couldn’t be bothered, I did what I had to do while waiting for sleep.
Later on it was pointed out to me that Shulgin had introduced the term ‘Beth state’ (state of uncaring, of anhe-donia and of emotionlessness) in his description of ALEPH-7 in PIHKAL. This is exactly the kind of state I had been in for pretty much the whole trip. Maybe there was more to the drug, and there certainly was more to get out of it, but this prevented me from doing anything with it.
The rest of the trip was spent in the same emotionless haze until I went to sleep about 35 hours after dosing with the help of etizolam.
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Thinking back on it, there were hints of Beth in my first trip, hence my decision to dose 4-AcO-DMT on top of it, to feel something. I wanted to find out what DOPr was really like but a look behind the veil wasn’t pretty, I wouldn’t recommend anyone to dose this high because it isn’t really worth it.
As for pure intensity it was just a tad stronger than 2.8mg of DOB and very similar to it, but much more visual and instead of excitement and love, there was cloudiness and Beth.
This is just my experience on it, and I know several others have had great trips on DOPr but the drug is not for me. I think this is quite exactly what people mean when they started to really dislike DOB after a couple trips, I think they saw the ugly in the amphetamine part just as I did this weekend. All in all, it wasn’t that bad, I think it’s safe to say I have never tripped as hard, even though my ego was always fully intact, and it was certainly an interesting experience, although not very fun. And sadly, with DOx, you’re pretty much always aiming for extreme fun.
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