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Don't smoke 2C-I, kids

so if there was iodine left in the mixture from the 2c-i not being washed properly,
would it still be safe to snort? what consequences does iodine have?

Surely there can't be much present since working in such small amounts & there still obviously being enough of it made up of 2c-i to actually be active.
 
Yes and why would smoking be more dangerous than orally ingesting it,
and how sure are we that iodine can't be split of an aromatic ring?
Speculative guess? And why would it still be present, it's not like it's hard to get rid of Iodine impurities? Or is it?
 
2C-I does not break down into iodine.
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Not in vivo, I've heard. But certainly there are circumstances in which it does, perhaps smoking would be one. Another possibilities are that there's Iodine in there, or that the colour is something else than Iodine (what could it be?).


you're simply not going to see the presence of 5mg of iodine as it would sublime (turn directly from solid to gas) way before the melting/vapourization point of 2C-I
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Are you sure? How much Iodine should there be, then, if 5 milligrams isn't enough? Perhaps there really was more Iodine in there that wasn't actually bound to the 2C-H which was probably used in synth. Is it certain that unbound or seperated Iodine would undergo sublimation, and if so, why wouldn't it solidify and become visible in the pipe like the pictures suggest?

t would be potentially fatal if that were true
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Hm, didn't one of the mods here know someone who inhaled elemental Bromine by accident? That's the heaviest naturally occurring halogen next to Iodine, and should be quite toxic. I guess similarly with Iodine. Surely it would be fatal at some point, but even smoking this bad product may not have brough enough to cause a toxic reaction.
 
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how sure are we that iodine can't be split of an aromatic ring?
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Well you can make organometallic compounds and then react them with water & that'll remove any halogen, but getting an iodine atom away from an aromatic ring with heat would involve totally destroying the ring (to produce alkenes) and at that temp, elemental iodine would instantly react with any non-aromatic double bond ie alkene (combining elemental iodine with double bonds - at room temp - is the basis of a test to meausure the degree of saturation of fats)


Perhaps there really was more Iodine in there that wasn't actually bound to the 2C-H which was probably used in synth.
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Even if iodine was present as an impurity from the synthesis, it would have to make up 10% of the total weight purely to have 1mg present in 10mg of drug and anything that's 10% iodine would be noticably purple in colour even before you start
 
"I'm just pretty positive that iodine does not break off from the 2C-I molecule when it breaks down."-just wanted to say this sounds funny...

Further,I just don't want to make a guess what will happen in a pyrrolyse.We don't even know the temp..The small purple ring,it COULD be 2-3mg jodine,it might have re-condensed after the sublimation,the rest of the molecule is evaporated (the alkenes are light and volatile,jodine is heavy) or plain charcoal (the black residue).

Altough I would lean more towards HJ from the degradation (go burn polyvinylchlorid or the chlorofreons in old spraycans,I used to kill moskitos with this flamethrower,it was stinking of HCl and the lke...).HJ degrades always into jodine.

Best would be to dissolve it in a small amount of chloroform,if a violet solution results,it will be jodine.

Well,posted this just to keep the brain creative.Okay,I just hoped to get approval for f&b's smartass club =D

As to toxicity,its not that bad,it was used as desinfectant.I used to smoke jodine and I'm still alive (okay,just took a good smell test breath)...Surely a few mg won't kill you.
 
My cat told me about a dream she had in which 10-15mg of 2CI HCl was smoked on aluminum foil, producing threshold effects felt 20-30min later, and leaving a brown/black (re: NOT purple) residue behind.
 
a friend of a friend has smoked 2C-I several times without negative effects. he said he has also seen others do it... nothing special but ok... dont make a habit of it and youll probably be fine:)

edit: stop buying 2C-I from where ever you got that crap because my friend said he has NEVER seen some shit like that happen... it might be pretty unhealthy whatever it is
 
Halogens

***THIS POST IS NOT ABOUT DRUG MANUFACTURE, ONLY ANALYSIS OF METHODS AND STREET SAMPLES****

First, I have accidentally inhaled small concentrations of Br fumes, i could feel the effects of it for a little while, sort of a slight sedation with a headache. The smell is WORSE than chlorine, way way worse. Made my eyes burn as well, but it all went away.

Ive also had iodine containing molecules injected into veins before, though thats not EXACTLY the same thing as iodine since its part of a larger structure. I could feel that shit though, it was definitely CNS active.

Iodine is not a harmful molecule to your body, most things dont stay in elemental form in the body, especially halogens. You wont find elemental chlorine floating around in your blood, Br or I either.

There is, however, sodium Iodide in some kinds of salt sold at the store, this is NOT elemental iodine, however when NaI is disolved in water you have I- ions, which happens in your stomache but you arent getting a lot of it. And i highly doubt that the I- ions stay in that form very long considering all the acids etc in the stomach. It still is not elemental iodine in your table salt.

You wont have elemental iodine in the final product of 2CI because its NOT the last step in the manufacture, and usually the elemental form isnt used, though it can be. In one case, the protected phthalamide with the iodine already on it must be reduced back to the amine to make it 2CI. You would end up washing each step with IPA or similar and usually extracting with methylene chloride as well.

In the process you will destroy any iodine left if there was any, since in most cases something like sodium dithionite or thiosulphate would be used as a wash to react with the iodine to make it removable easily. hence , there shouldnt BE any iodine.

By the way, the halogens are all fairly large molecules, so since were playing with the idea anyway, hows this:

Phenethylamine weighs 121 amu
Iodine weighs 126 amu
the extra groups on 2ci weigh ~60 amu
2CI weighs 307 amu


so 181 amu of 2ci is the base molecule, while 126 amu of it is the iodine alone, so it makes up a LARGE part of its total size and weight. Hence for every molecule of 2CI, if the iodine DID break off you would have roughly 2/5ths or 40% of the original weight in iodine, IF IT DID break off, not saying it WILL, but if possile, you would have a substantial amount of it.
 
the protected phthalamide with the iodine already on it must be reduced back to the amine to make it 2CI.
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^That was quite an informative post. I don't about other manufacturing routes, but it seems that most sensibly made 2C-I should have very little risk. Well, I don't know what the purple haze in your pipe may have been, but I think we agree that you shouldn't smoke any more of the material. I suggest you don't take it any other way, either. :)
 
I used to smoke 2c's all the time and it worked beautifully. In fact I often preferred this to oral or other types of usage. I would pack a little into a bowl of marijuana and smoke it with the lightest possible flame. 2-ct-7 in particular was AMAZING when smoked.....you get rapid titration-by-feel capability, and the effects are very nice.
 
why smoke phens that are active orally.I'ts pointless to put yourself in more danger than needed.
 
Iodine can be fatal? :(

I've definately injected very impure meth before, which I belewived to have iodine left in it.
 
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why smoke phens that are active orally.I'ts pointless to put yourself in more danger than needed.
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I never noticed any negative side effects -- in fact, I found that with 2ct7 the effects were better and side effects were less when using tiny doses smoked on top of MJ than when using it orally or insufflated. Back in the day, under another name on BL, I was like the guardian angel and evangelist of smoking phens =D
 
i had very similar purple residue in my pipe after burning 5meoDMT recently ... i think this may be a vendor specific problem (see undrug butane). has anyone else come across this phenomenon while burning RCs recently? :(
 
Edited. I've heard there might be some impure product going around.
 
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