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Don't shout at me BL, but I need advice.....

SilentRoller

SilentRoller

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First things first, I know what I did was stupid, and I'm not asking 'will it last forever', as I know full-well everything will go back to normal. I'm just looking for input from people who may of experienced the same thing, and how to get through it.

Long story short, I went on holiday on tuesday to visit a woman I have an interest in, and we basically just partied for 2 days straight. First night, we cosumed (braces onseself for shitstorm) 2.5 'green android' pills (circa 500mg MDMA) each, and had an absolutely incredible night. We partied until 5am, then went to bed and slept until 10am.

Next morning, felt pretty good (obviously had zero desire for food, but managed to force a sandwhich down).This is where I should of stopped.....

Night 2, she got some friends together, and we went to the beach. I was really against the idea of more drugs, but everyone went ahead and dropped some 6-APB, and after hours of persisting, I desided to join them (I know I know!). Throughout the evening, me and the girl must of ingested about 200mg ish (didnt have scales) of 6-APB. Whilst the experience wasn't very loved up or euphoric, It was rather trippy and we all had a great time!

I think you can guess whats coming now....

From about wednesday onwards, I started experiening brainzaps, to the point where if I shut my eyes or move my eyes to the left and right, and can sense a slight jolt and hear a slight ringing. This was at its worst Thursday/Friday, and whilst I still experienced a few brain zaps last night, they seem to be getting less.

However, I do feel rather sick and cloudy headed (although I cannot tell how much of this is down to a possible sinus infection I may be experiencing), and the looking to the left/right zaps still seem to to be there slightly.

Now obviously, I'm not going to ask 'why has this happened', as I know why, its because I was stupid, and if I'm honest, this marks my last party experience for a long while.... However, what I would like to know is, has anyone else ever been a bit silly and experienced the same and recovered?? I feel like shit right now, and whilst I know it won't last for ever, I would at least like some friendly reassurance that there is light at the end of the tunnel!

Thanks

SR
 
MDMA usage seems to increase the likelihood of brain zaps. I only had one brain zap on MDMA and 2c-i
It was fairly powerful though, it felt like my temple got hooked to a car battery haha.
I'd let off the MDMA for at least two months
 
whats with the whole looking out the corner of your eyes, and feeling dizzy and sick :( I feel like I'm screwed for ever.... :P Interestingly though, i don't seem to be suffering from suicide tuesday....
 
If things are slowly improving then personally I would say you'll recover. Plenty of early nights, Healthy diet, exercise, lay off any drugs for a month or two.... Blah, blah blah.... And you'll make a full recovery. How long exactly? Every one is different but the first week or two is always the toughest. Go to a doctor if things don't improve but to be honest they won't be able to prescribe some wonder drug that will cure your ills. Time will cure most things, good luck.
 
SilentRoller said:
whats with the whole looking out the corner of your eyes, and feeling dizzy and sick :( I feel like I'm screwed for ever.... :P Interestingly though, i don't seem to be suffering from suicide tuesday....
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You'll be fine mate. Get some good sleep. Keep busy and active even if you feel physically drianed -get outside. Multi-vits and 5-htp should also help

Brain zaps can last a long time. I ve have them for 4 days after a binge, and its perfectly normal to think "fucking hell, i ve done myself permanent damage"....trust me on this......they will go, and you will start feeling better. Just don't get caught in the mindset of "i'm fucked".

I would not advise going to a doctor until you ve given it at least 2 weeks (doubt it will last anything near that) - You don't want taking MDMA on your medical record for when you want medical or life insurance......you would have to declare you take MDMA if its on your record.

Chin up and go do something

Swedger
 
Thanks for the kind words everyone! However, could someone please shed light on the whole 'feeling an almost ringing like sensation' when I close my eyes? It almost feels like a mild brain zap ( I don't have to be asleep for this to happen), the same thing happens If I look out the corner of my eyes also :(

In regards to supplements, I have been taking 5HTP, Magnesium and Omega 3 every-morning for the last 2 days, and I was thinking would adding some Noopept help mend my serotonin receptors??
 
2.5 androids, dayum. I once did a half and then another half a partyflock (same as the androids) 1.5 hours later and was utterly spangled. Can't even imagine 2.5!

Anyway, you'll be fine as long as you don't fall into the trap of thinking yourself into illness. Just try and forget about it, go for a jog, you know you'll recover soon!
 
UPDATE: I could really do with some words of reassurance here. as I feel like I may of cooked myself. I have what only could be descirbed as slight vertigo, where if I move my eyes left or right, I feel sick....I just feel like im fucked..... :( :( :(
 
SilentRoller said:
UPDATE: I could really do with some words of reassurance here. as I feel like I may of cooked myself. I have what only could be descirbed as slight vertigo, where if I move my eyes left or right, I feel sick....I just feel like im fucked..... :( :( :(
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You're not fucked, I've done FAR larger binges than that. I was fucked for a minute, but now I feel great. If shit doesn't get better and you feel like killing yourself or very depressed, go see a doctor. However, you will be fine. Stay away from drugs for a while.
 
I don't have any issues with mood currently (thank God!), and I actually have a raging appitite today, and haven't stopped eating! Its just the constant vertigo feeling that you move your eyes fast etc, you get a zapping feeling and feel a tad sick.
 
You're not fucked, you will be fine. I've experienced similar long-lasting hangovers from excessive amounts of 6-APB similar to what you're describing: feeling extremely fatigued, run-down, dizzy, nauseated and generally ill, with the brain-zaps and light flashes behind closed eyelids, lasting about 3 days before starting to clear up. Day 1 of the aftermath is usually spent sleeping if I can manage to not jump out of my skin when I close my eyes; if sleeping isn't possible, I try to spend some time outside getting fresh air. Exercising is usually NOT an option; walking can be quite the challenge what with the dizziness and nausea. Driving is out of the picture. Day 2 is somewhat better - the ability to eat returns. Day 3 is when things start returning to normal. By day five I feel human again. It seems like it's a very fine line between what dosage will leave you tired but fully functional, and what dosage will result in this devastating hangover.

Also keep in mind that it has been speculated that 6-APB is a triple monoamine inhibitor as well as a releaser, so it delivers kind of a double-whammy to your system - not only is it blocking serotonin, dopamine, and noradrenaline from being reabsorbed into your synapses, it's releasing a massive flood of serotonin at the same time. (note here that chemistry/ pharmacology is not my field of expertise and I could be entirely wrong in my explanation, but I think I'm fairly close) Maybe the terrible brain-zaps can be attributed to this factor? My guess is that the serotonin system gets a bit stressed - I only experience those terrible zaps with serotonin releasing agents.


One Thousand Word's advice is spot on - get some rest, make sure you eat, try to exercise, get fresh air, and the toughest of them all: have patience. If you don't feel better after two week's time, then you might want to entertain the possibility that something isn't right. But not before then.

About the noopept: I'm not so sure I would add that if I were in your position. Why add another drug to the mix? Stick to the tried and true vitamins.

Best of luck and hope you feel better soon!
 
SilentRoller said:
I don't have any issues with mood currently (thank God!), and I actually have a raging appitite today, and haven't stopped eating! Its just the constant vertigo feeling that you move your eyes fast etc, you get a zapping feeling and feel a tad sick.
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I had this exact thing happen once after an E binge. If I'm correct, when you move your eyes right or left you both feel and hear a slight zinging sound and you immediately feel sick / dizzy. I had this for about 7 days. I think it peaked on the 2nd or 3rd day, and then slowly improved each day. It was pretty rough because I spent a lot of time feeling like I was on the verge of being sick as I carried on with life, work, etc. What helped me was to lay flat in bed and keep my eyes still / closed - the vertigo feeling would slowly subside so I could at least get a good sleep.

I feel for you - of all the come downs I've ever had, that one stands out as the most unpleasant.
 
@Vancbc: You have nailed my symptom dead on! How long am I going to be stuck with it, as I have this fear it will just last forever :(. Everytime I move my eyes left or right, I can almost hear something like a faint brain zap, much like you described. Is this a symptom of perma damage? I've PM'd you mate :)
 
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What exactly do you want us to tell you?


You took too many drugs, that's on you. It's already happened, you decided not to listen to HR and now are dealing with the consequences. It's your own damn fault, and you're just going to have to fucking deal with it.

Sorry, I know that's VERY harsh, but it's the truth. You did this, now you'll have to deal with it. You'll be fine, as others have said people have done a LOT more than that and been perfectly OK... but asking how bad you fucked up on BL isn't going to help anyone.



SilentRoller said:
Is this a symptom of perma damage?
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Could it be? Sure. Why not? Anything can happen.

Is it? No, probably not.

If it was, what exactly do you plan on doing about it anyways? It's in the past, too fucking late now :\




Stop being paranoid. Get on with life, and this will fade in time. The longer you spend worrying if this is "permanent" the longer you're going to have to deal with these symptoms.
 
I have to point out that I remember seeing a thread by you that had some literature in it about how you only use MD ever-so responsibly. Not judging at all, but I think you knew exactly what type of damage you could have been doing to yourself at the time of your use. I hope now you adhere to what you know is 'proper MD use' after this experience.
 
Those are some heft doses. Symptoms will get better, how long it takes no one knows. Some people feel mostly recovered after a month, for others they are still experiencing 6 months later.
I'm too stoned to write out a coherent post right now, but bottom line. You made a mistake by doing careless doses of two strong serotonin releasers, you may feel pretty f'd for a while but best thing to do is not over think it. Things will improve...
 
Folley said:
What exactly do you want us to tell you?


You took too many drugs, that's on you. It's already happened, you decided not to listen to HR and now are dealing with the consequences. It's your own damn fault, and you're just going to have to fucking deal with it.

Sorry, I know that's VERY harsh, but it's the truth. You did this, now you'll have to deal with it. You'll be fine, as others have said people have done a LOT more than that and been perfectly OK... but asking how bad you fucked up on BL isn't going to help anyone.





Could it be? Sure. Why not? Anything can happen.

Is it? No, probably not.

If it was, what exactly do you plan on doing about it anyways? It's in the past, too fucking late now :\




Stop being paranoid. Get on with life, and this will fade in time. The longer you spend worrying if this is "permanent" the longer you're going to have to deal with these symptoms.
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Dr. Folley, Medicine Woman

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Before Folley jumps on me again, I am fully aware I did this to myself and I'm not looking for sympathy. However, what I am looking for are experiences from people who have perhaps suffered something similar.

Its been exactly a week since the MDMA and 6 days since the 6-APB, I am having no issues with mood or depression, but I am still suffering from the vertigo feeling (abeit slightly less). However, It is difficult to tell if the vertigo is caused by a sinus/ear infection as my ears are currently feeling blocked atm.

More so, I have found that I still have significant muscle tension, especially in the top of my back and shoulders (the feeling you get after a heavy gym workout), and a slight trembling in my hands which appears if I attempt to write with a pen. I'm unsure how normal this all is after heavy MDMA use, so if anyone has any input here, feel free to voice your opinions :).

In regards to daily supplements, I'm taking Omega 3, Magnesium, (was taking 5HTP) and just recently, Noopept.

SR
 
Exercise is your friend mate. Seriously go for a jog or a good workout. I did the same a couple of years ago but the whole weekend I hammered speed and etizolam. Left me feeling with horrendous sense of vertigo, nausea and anxiety. It lasted about a week and vastly improved when I finally had the courage to continue my workout programme at the gym. Double your omega 3 intake also both morning and evening. Plenty of good food and try hot spicey meals as well. You will get better don't worry mate.
 
Excercise is out of the question... Great advice but not practical until the Zaps have worn off...

I'd knock off the 5HTP mate, allow the system to recover naturally without adding any other serotonergic compounds into the mix.

... & empty your inbox :)

Word of encouragment! You are enjoying what sounds like a fairly light version of what I went through in Jan. I couldn't move a muscle without setting of a string of dreadful Zaps, & this lasted for 2 whole days, day & night. I couldn't eat or sleep, I couldn't watch TV, read a book, listen to music, nothing! I couldn't MOVE without the most awful, unbearable, constant fucking Brain Zaps!

You WILL get better, & yes, it's perfectly understandable to be paranoid, but you WILL get better!
 
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