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DOM vs DOC

@ blowmonkey: Yes definitely,

it wasn't necessarily the deaths but the unpredictability reported with 2C-T-Xs that prompted me to start lower and slower than with say 2C-C or 2C-D.
I started with a couple of milligrams to check for weird reactions, then did 7-8 mg, then maybe 15 then 25-30 and there may have been one in between there somewhere. I didn't get very linear responses. The few mgs produced a + but the 7-8 comparatively were disappointing. I mention approximate doses by the way. I think 30 mg was not overly intense for me but interesting nonetheless. I also think I did 25 mg later supplemented with maybe 15 mg of 2C-B because at the time I ran out of 2C-T-7. Both experiences were memorable.

I hesitate or refuse to answer your safety question as well.
First of all there is never a 0 chance of death, you can always get a heart attack or whatever. Lame to say but it's true and it blurs safety thresholds. 2C-T-7 increases chances of complications / nasty physical symptoms or death in certain situations. Those situations are for example combinations with MDMA, insufflating the compound, getting overheated from dancing, having an unknown predisposition to serotonin syndrome, possible unknown interactions with perhaps even coffee you may have taken earlier.

edit: about taking one of the 'strong doses' on erowid - let me answer that later for you, no time.. :)

I don't think 2C-T-7 is actually dangerous. A couple of people have died but by the sound of it they treated the compound (and thereby themselves) badly and were reckless, they treated it as if you could take as much as you want whatever way you want and you would only trip harder.

Their deaths proved to me rather that you can not just take this stuff and fuck up a decimal point on your scale. That is dangerous even with 2C-C and perhaps a bad example but let's just say a triple dose. Not sure but I don't think the reason is confirmed that it is or isn't because of MAOi properties but 2C-T-7 and probably also 2C-T-2 and I guess to some degree other 2C-T-X should not be fucked with.

So work your way up from seriously low doses like I did and don't worry unrealistically much about dying from it. Better to not combine it with any stimulant whatsoever and just to be safe also no alcohol and you may want to leave things like nitrous and other drugs as well (although I have taken 2C-B with it like I said, and also 1 time nitrous, and tried ketamine - so do better than I did).

I would worry more about taking a dosage answer from one of us and just randomly starting at that. If you really want to be extra careful that's exactly what you should NOT do.
 
The 2C-T-7 deaths were pretty much all in combination with MDMA and/or insufflated (heroic) dosages. You will most likely not end up in the hospital if you just stay within the recommended dosage range. Worrying about it excessively is likely to induce a panick attack which might result in you visiting the hospital though.

But yeah, like solipsis said, start small and work your way up, as with any new substance you're about to indulge in.
 
If you are interested in a long, intense, purely psychedelic drug with no side effects (other than the possible initial nausea that comes with any psychedelic), choose mescaline. If you are willing to try a mix of psychedelic and empathogenic, try AMT (although be warned jaw chattering/grinding and some muscle twitching are likely).
 
I would not really consider AMT a "deeper psychedelic", although it's particularly good in combinations.

On the topic of the DOx's btw, DOEF is probably one with the least side effects, gathered from what I read in Pihkal anwyays.
 
this sounds like a 2cx to be very careful with.
starting small and then working my way up to a strong does seems like the way to go.
the media has most likely purposefully tried to slander blue mystic,
its popularity and availability made this compounds getting into the wrong hands more likely.
t2 and t7 both are in the magical half dozen, along with 2ce and dom.
so they arnt there by accident.
are they really very similar to mescaline?
the reason i asked for a highest possible dose, was that as i start to increase mg by mg, i dont want to take too high a dose,
60mg might be lethal,
from 0 to 60 is very close. compare to say 100 to 1000 for mdma which is still a very risky lethal dose.
it sounds like this compound is worth some of the risks though, but care must be taken, because it is very dangerous, like DOM, where research needs to be done before diving in to 2ctx land.
 
I found 2C-E to be much more like mescaline, more transparent. But 2C-T-7 was quite extravagant, I'll tell you that's not a bad unlikeness! I found 2C-T-7 to be the nicest of all 2C-X that I have tried and with a careful approach it didn't feel particularly worrisome to me. For that matter 2C-E punished me more, I took it once when I was fatigued and it made me 10 times as tired and gave me one of the worst body loads.

I agree that some extra care must be taken, with 2C-T-7 and DOM sounds serious as well. It seems like all the special ones are in certain ways pretty potent, for transformation but also for things to go wrong if you mess it up.
Take from that your lesson then.
 
2C-T-7 had many years of safe use before there were any "incidents". There was no reason to think it wasn't just as safe as any of the other 2C's until it hit a larger portion of the population and started being used irresponsibly, ie snorting large doses and such. But it does have a smaller safety margin, and it seems to effect more people adversely than alot of its brethren.

That being said, it is one of my favorite phenethylamines. It is possible to have an absolutely glowing, euphoric, spiritual experience with it. Im gonna say it probably has one of the higher rates of +4 experiences out of the simple phenethylamines. Plus the visuals and body glow are just something else ;)
It has a lot more "depth" than the halogenated 2c's, and it way easier on the body (and easier on the mind!) than the alkyl 2C's. A real treasure, that 2C-T-7:D

As long as you approach it with the care it deserves, it is a wonderful and not-to-fear substance.

DOM is a whole nother ballfield. But equally if not more impressive. It is a full fledged psychedelic. If you have your hands on some count yourself lucky, it is a bit rarer than most of its relatives. As is DOC unfortunately. Big and Dandies on both of those substances....good preparatory
reading!

Be safe and have fun <3
 
im going to abstain from the dox i think,
maybe one day il change my mind, who knows
i am purposefully not doing mdma, for similar reasons,
i just like the natural feelings one gets from say mushrooms or im sure dmt.
2ct7 sounds awesome though, and one day i hope to taste it,
i already know of some legit suppliers,
so now all that needs to be done is invest in a 0.001 scale and move out.
no rush though, as said before, these compounds need to be handled with patience and utmost care.
 
I have tried both plenty times DOC is definitly stronger of the 2 and last longer DOM is more euphoric in a traditional psychedelic sense DOC while euphoric at times is more fun DOM is more peaceful less chaotic better for soul searching in it's speedy blissful state with very warm visuals both closed eye and open.DOC is a total amphetamine fueled wtf with a really beautiful glow one of the most vivid and spiritual CEVs i ever had was on DOC neither substance has a darkside even tho i have never went beyond my usual dosage
of 4-6 mg Doc and 5-9 mg of DOM the duration of both can be a bother for someone who likes comedowns to happen suddenly ALA 2c-i 4-aco-dmt

Other then 5-meo-dmt i would say DOC is the best RC i ever tryed matter fact it is the best but the duration will cause one to take precaution when divulging


so in conclusion DOC is better then DOM its more fun recreational and just more WTF i like uppers tho. While DOM is very ego driven a speedy soulful search light something not everyone is looking for it could get more serious mentally if the dosage is pushed i would assume. To me they arguably are in the list of top 5 psychedelics ever synthesized with the LIKE OF 5-meo-DMT AND LSD
 
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i already posted on the liquid measurement thread.
i am wondering how long a rc (2cx) will last in distiled water,
will it last a month or two?
is alcohol necessary for that long a storage.
i am going to weigh 50 mg 2ce on cheap 16 dollar scale.
multiple times, then i am going to measure 50 ml distilled water.
pour them together in mason jar, mix well until no 2ce can be seen,
then store for later use.

if i were to use alcohol in the mix, would it be 10ml alcohol, 40ml distiled water,
and what alcohol should i use, does high concentrate like 50 - 70% alcohol vodka work.
 
I've stored PEA's in vodka (37.5 percent by volume) for years with no loss in potency or other problems. I imagine water would go stale within a week or two.
 
what method did you use, like step by step.
did you use any distilled water at all?
or just alcohol,
i want to do a water alcohol mixture.
alcohol keeps out bacteria, so i am going to use it after all,
so if vodka works, what brand do you recommend, i live in canada.
and what ratio, ive read before that 20% alcohol 80% water should be fine,
should i increase the alcohol content for more long term storage?
 
I dissolved 100mg of DOC in 100ml of Smirnoff vodka. It dissolved very easily with a little stirring. I used a similar method for 2c-e but the concentration of 2c-e to vodka was higher (5mg/ml iirc). There's is still some DOC solution left and it is still just as potent as the day I received it back in 2006 or so. This method should work with any brand of vodka.
 
would chivas royal premium scotch whiskey work? 40% alcohol.
say if i put 50mg 2ce in 25ml of whiskey.
so 1ml whiskey = 2 mg of 2ce.
 
okay thanks for the tips.
i just have some chivas royal scotch whiskey lying around,
if there is some problem with me using whiskey instead of vodka, please let me know.
i wont set this plan into action until after my shroom trip this month.
after i get my ath m50's/

so plenty of time to give me heads up.
thanks .
 
Whiskey is fine, it has water and alcohol and these DOX dissolve in both although I think in alcohol even better. You shouldn't make DOX solutions of a high concentration (like above 1 mg/ml) because overly precise liquid measurement defeats the point of it. And concentrations under 1 mg/ml should be fine.
Whiskey has more dissolved aroma compounds than vodka but they don't matter. That's all you need to know.

I dissolved 2C-I in whiskey once instead of vodka and I found it pretty disgusting. I don't like whiskey normally but it was that much worse and had an impact on the trip (for one, it gave me instant nausea). If you like whiskey I can't think of a reason not to use it.
Though I like the idea of a solvent that has no real character of itself better. For instance if you could use milk for long term storage of chems god knows I wouldn't. lol
 
just bought my syringe at shoppers.
im going to put 12.5ml alcohol (whiskey 40% per volume) and 12.5 ml distilled water.
that way the overall alcohol content will be 20%. which should be enough to kill bacteria i have been told.

would you trust a cheap ebay scale to measure 50mg accurately?
 
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