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DOM - Experienced - A Holy War In My Head

Propyl Power

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I recently experienced an excessively strong DOM trip, and I'd like to contribute to the numerous exhortations to start off with low doses when trying any DOx chemical. I consider myself to be an extremely responsible, respectful, and knowledgeable person regarding psychedelics, but after 60 - 70 trips on over a dozen different substances, I finally slipped up.

I received two capsules purported to contain 2 mg each. However, after weighing them on a scale accurate to 2 mg, it appeared that the combined weight was in the 6 - 8 mg range, plus an extra 2 mg (at least) which coated the capsules' interior. Since most of the reports on Erowid and in Pihkal seemed to indicate that 10 mg was intense but not totally overwhelming, I decided to go all the way. Having been previously teased by two weak DOB experiences (sold on the well-known cartoon Hofmann bicycle blotter paper :! ) fortified my ill-advised inclination.

The realization that I had probably taken too much began to dawn when I was tripping fairly hard a mere 50 minutes after ingestion. I reached the peak an hour after that and plateaued for about 5 hours of unrestrained pandemonium. I have no memory of the most intense 2 hour period, save for about 5 minutes when I was granted access to the crystalline, purely Objective, God's Eye View, which I was completely incapable of learning from in any productive way, being entirely absorbed by the exhausting task of preventing my brain from disintegrating into tiny schizoid shards.

In one of the threads on a different DOx compound, somebody describes it as having a "throwaway, cartoonish" character, that nonetheless cuts sharp like a knife. This description is certainly applicable to DOM as well. It was very bonkers, goofy, and looney, but with an incredibly serious, aggressive, and manic edge (as many others have observed). The vibe of the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" isn't too far off. As the trip wore on, the cartoony aspects faded and the psychotic character became more pronounced.

It's "personality" developed into that of Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah - an aggressive masculine god of force and power with an axe to grind. The trip was not personal at all; it simply felt like I had unleashed a righteous demon hellbent on making Proclamations and declaring Fatwas, regardless of who was listening. For a good chunk of the trip all of my internal dialogue manifested itself in Old Testament style language. Later on, the red glow of my space heater transformed my bedroom into a Middle Eastern desert, and I found myself thinking in Arabic (without comprehension) as the neon script of that language wove around my head, blocking my vision with the unyielding opacity of its Word. Throughout these encounters with terrible monotheistic energy I felt extremely short of breath, and my heart seemed to be beating at an alarming rate.

As a finale, I absorbed all of the ambient negative energy of the midsize midwestern city in which I live - the violence, poverty, racial strife, and ignorance - all soaked up like a sponge. I responded the only way I knew how, with compassion, but it felt entirely futile. About 9 hours after I had ingested the DOM, the main part of the trip finally began to relent, and after clinging by my fingernails to the rapidly eroding edifice of my sanity for what seemed like days, I was at last able to take a deep breath and begin to survey the damage.

Psychologically, I didn't really notice any problems generated by the trip, probably due to the fact that personal issues were completely unaddressed. Physically, I felt exhausted, sore, my bones cricked a lot, and my pupils were fully dilated for over 24 hours. A friend who came over at the trip's end observed that I looked as if I had been beat up. My main concern was a nagging intuition that I had inflicted significant damage to my 'astral body', for lack of a better term. As I do not have a reliable method of getting feedback or information about this component of myself, I have no concept of the extent or nature of the damage incurred, and beyond lots of yoga, meditation, and magick, I am not sure how to remedy the situation.

This was the first time in my tripping career that I felt like I was in completely over my head, and I am certainly no stranger to high doses. If I was only moderately experienced with psychedelics, or if I had done this in a social / party situation, things would have become much, much uglier than they did - extreme psychotic behavior and hospitalization would probably be more likely than not.

However, despite the sustained titanic struggle that served as my introduction to DOM, I would not be opposed to trying it again at half the dose I took. There are aspects of its character that I find thoroughly unpleasant, but I have immense respect for its mind-warping power. The visuals were so thick that my room seemed to be filled with an electric fog that I actually had to push out of the way in order to see where I was going. And the few minutes that I was thrust into God's perspective had qualities of 'objectivity' and 'Truth' that were comparable in intensity and conviction to the same qualities as presented by DXM.

I feel like a stronger but less balanced person after this trip, and just because I survived the hurricane relatively unharmed does NOT mean you will too. In conclusion, I will add my voice to the harm-reduction chorus:

START LOW!

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thanks for sharing this, it was an excellent read, and a top-notch cautionary tale at that. I can relate to what you are describing, and I suppose you can consider yourself grateful for the spiritual work you have done in your life so far, it sounds to me like that is what kept you together, ultimately. I have not yet tried DOM, but I now wonder at what dose to enter that realm... too low might also not be great... I might try 5-7mg when I try it. If and when... I haven't been properly tripping for a long time apart from the occasional K venture, as K is so beyond fear. I wonder if anyone out there has ever combined a Dox compound with K? K might help with the freakout... might make it even more incomprehensible but also more, well, acceptable ...
 
Awesome report, thanks a lot for sharing. I had a few DOM experiences as well, at 7mg, 10mg, and 13mg. The 7mg experience was weak but rather profound, and the 13mg experience as well as the 10mg experiences included a period of blackout and just generally an extremely aggressive and manic state of full-spectrum god-like psychedelia, but which was too hectic to get anything from. The 7 and 13mg doses were taken during periods of heavy tolerance, and the 10mg dose was taken during a period of lower tolerance but still in the midst of lots of psychedelic-taking. I wish now that I had saved a dose for when my head is more clear. If I am ever able to get more, I will take a 5mg dose with no tolerance, as I suspect DOM is capable of delivering s truly fantastic and useful trip at the right dosage.
 
Nice report!

I had a DOM experience with 5mgs late last year, and I will be writing a report on it soon. It was some pretty impressive stuff. I can't say I've had too many trips that reached that intensity where you "escape" the realm of time. Very much like moderate to high doses of LSD and high doses of mushrooms, though the feeling of the drug was much more similar to LSD.

I've also tried DOC, and that was a disappointment for me. I was reluctant to try any of the other DO"x" chemicals after my DOC experience, but I figured DOM was the best of the bunch, so I decided to go for it. In a nutshell, DOC, at 2mgs, felt like taking 1/2 hit of LSD with a rail of Methamphetamine that lasted 24hrs+. Don't get me wrong, I had fun, but it wasn't my type of experience. I prefer intense visuals and spiritual experiences. DOC was not going to offer me that.
 
Brief thoughts on DOM & a few notes on the R isomer version

Well well - it's a great report and nothing that's written in it comes as any surprise to me. I've only tried it at 6 mgs ? (racemic) & 3mgs (R isomer, which is reckoned to be about twice as potent as racemic)) both can potentially produce a pronounced manic edge (less so with the isomer) & I can't really stress enough that you really really ought to treat this drug with a great deal of respect & caution. It's good shit yeah, BUT it has the potential to dement you & leave you feeling like you were picked up & mentally shredded. Difficult past experiences of other psychedelics will be of some benefit if you overstep the mark, but I sense there will rapidly become a point where you can lose it completely. :|

That said, if you dose wisely I find it is a very upbeat stimulating drug with a very smooth onset which rapidly picks up after a couple of hours & I had a great deal of fun on it. These days I find I'm always assessing various aspects of psychedelics when I take them ( especially if they're relatively novel). The latest incarnation of DOM I sampled was the isomerised version. This produced a very smooth velvety "upfront" feeling after around an hour (which lasted about 8 hours), with a definite, but subtle, amphetamine/stimulant background (which lasted about 22 hours)which I found was unrelenting & had the promise of delivering trouble if you really pushed it. The smoothness of the drug was rather impressive. I felt as though my very being had been immersed in a sort of atmospheric version of a fluid velvet, it's difficult to find the words to express TBH. Rather like being submerged in Van Morrisons " It's a marvellous night for a moondance" if you follow me? Another attendee described this aspect as being like the "Cary Grant" of psychedelics :D . I was pretty charged up & fairly active, which is unusual for me, my mind was inspired to conceive & create lots of silly ideas which pleased me (& others) greatly. I am a frequent & ardent admirer of my own genius 8) - especially when on psychedelics/stimulants :D . The main effect began to subside at around T+8 hours & gradually wound down to a relentless, but lowish level, stimulation which persisted for many hours. I must add that a goodly amount of ketamine was also consumed & therefore I cannot be precise about anything other than the main event effects. That said I'm pretty (very) confident that the total length of action is around 24 hours with the first 8 being the main event.
At this dose two out of the three of us got no real visuals 7 one did, it may be worth noting that person was using a tricyclic medication & that may well have had a bearing on the subjective effect.

At lowish doses (2- 4mgs) I would think it could be an excellent drug for music festivals/dance events that are going to last upwards of 8 hours. :)

"Start Low" is fucking good advice, I'd add "don't try to reach for the sun either" or you may well get your wings truly singed;)
 
Ive never consumed DOM, however i have taken DOC in varying doses
(2mg, 4mg, 4-6mg, with the 4mg experience repeated for preferablity). From the op's experience, ive notice a few similarities. For my cohorts and I, DOC created a false sense of importance for ideas, events and items. However, this importance had an extremely sarcastic tone to it, to the point that I had to actually put down on paper and discern between the things that were really important (ie shower, food, water, music). For me it was slap-stick psychedelia. I feel fortunate to have tried this chemical and remark about our experiences often as the beginning of "the study" (as with the important or serious tone of the mindset). However, "the study" is no more than a sarcastic catalog of psychedelic knowledge and voyages, meant only for the eyes of those who were there. Sort of like the Saturday Night Live stage of the psychedelic mind's studio.....hmmm

Nice report OP, I really want to go further into the manic, amped up realm of psychedelic amphetamines
 
Another attendee described this aspect as being like the "Cary Grant" of psychedelics

Oh, so I'm just another nameless attendee? =D

Have to say that it is incredibly smooth in onset (took me by surprise), but take heed of B9's warnings as this stuff has all of the ego-battering capacity of the classic psychedelics with a pinch of mania thown in for good luck
 
In one of the threads on a different DOx compound, somebody describes it as having a "throwaway, cartoonish" character, that nonetheless cuts sharp like a knife. This description is certainly applicable to DOM as well. It was very bonkers, goofy, and looney, but with an incredibly serious, aggressive, and manic edge (as many others have observed)

2 or 3 mgs DOC was a lot like this. Out of Mushrooms, Mescaline, LSD, the only psychedelic I didn't like (abhored, poured the rest down the drain).
 
DOM remains one of the few psychedelics that I am actually actively seeking to try out (I can only think of three, the two others being Mescaline and smoked DMT). The "roger rabbit" description sounds right up my alley.

Glad to see you've survived the trip - it seems that phenethylamines are always softer at the aftermath than tryptamines.

I noticed that Arabic is a very psychedelic-friendly and even more so dissociative-friendly language. I tend to especially revert to Arabic (my second primary language) when on Ketamine.
 
Nice Read

I wounder If you you take someone that was raised believing in god and all the baggage that comes with it.

Opposed to Someone that has never been exposed to the god thing, how a trip would turn out.

I think our life experience has allot to do with how we perceive our trips; and people that read these TR's that are still finding them selfs how it will affect there trips.

I have taken DOM too, and can't relate to your TR experiences. Mine have always been peaceful, The black out points are just to me EGO LOSS

Cheers
 
@ Toltec: I was not raised to believe in God, and I have no Christian baggage. I don't think that the monotheistic aspect had anything to do with my issues, it was just how the chemical presented itself to me.
 
I have taken DOM too, and can't relate to your TR experiences. Mine have always been peaceful, The black out points are just to me EGO LOSS

Did you get theturbo-charged colour enhancement? Don't normally get excited about visuals these days, but the CEVs from DOM had a depth of colour and vibrancy I've never seen before

Oh,BTW, DOM is unlike DOC/B/I - you can't just talk about generic DOx compounds as if they're all the same
 
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Yes ^ I like the way Dom enhances everything, collars, shapes etc... Within my visual field; Day time and night time Experiences. Dom for me seems to always give me a feeling of enhanced well-being.

The only thing I don't like; is the come down effects after words, The Old school Fraze would be> "Burnt out" till you get some food and good sleep in you that is. I don’t like using the "Cracked out" Fraze but the feeling is the same any way you say it :-) Still the overall experience is worth the temporary after effects most Psychedelics leaves you with.

Propyl Power
I observe that Indigenous peoples that use psychedelics don’t describe there TR’s, as folks form the industrial world do.

They haven’t been bombarded with the “Christian” images and definitions that come along with them, as the modern world does. Most of these are imprinted on your psyche from the time you’re a baby all the way up to adult hood.

Most of us spent more time away from home (Parents influences)
At school, friends homes, TV etc... Is where a lot of imprinting of those Christian and other Philosophies are created we are a product of our environment like it or not.

The indigenous folks see other things such as Jaguars snakes etc…
Witch is generated from there life experiences; but the over all messages to those that listen to them are the same in away.

Till we understand this confront it and finally toss it out it will or may continue to be part of the trips of many who take the psychedelic experience.

So if I’m wrong about this I’m willing to listen and learn and change.

Namaste
Toltec
 
I guess I agree with what you wrote Toltec, but I still feel like you're misunderstanding something...

For example, in the Christian-based Santo Daime religion, many participants have ayahuasca visions of Jesus, the Virgin Mary, etc... their personal beliefs shaping their perceptions and interpretations of what is going on.

I do not feel that this is anything like what happened with me... the monotheistic aspects felt more middle-eastern/Islamic than Christian... as I have no first-hand exposure to these cultures, I do not think that it had anything to do with my upbringing or psychological imprints. At the most you could argue that I had tapped into a powerful archetype.

It just seems like you want to pin this down to my personal unexamined issues with a God/Daddy figure and that is just NOT the case at all. I didn't really learn anything that I didn't already know about dominator sky-gods... it was just an intense confrontation with that kind of energy.
 
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But; before Spain came and forced those Catholic beliefs upon
South America in the 1400's (lets not forget the other indigenous cultures around world too), these concepts did not exist in the psyches of these cultures.

There are still Places (people) in the world that have never been visited and or influenced by modern world beliefs.

Put yourself back in time 1000 years sitting around the morning fire warming up as the sun rises, suddenly you hear a unfamiliar sound become loader as it comes in view of you and your tribe. What is it that you see in the sky? How would you describe it? How would you verbalize it? To us we see a 747 jet airliner. To them it could be a prophecy coming to light.

When Spain came to South America that’s what the indigenous people of that time though was coming to light. They trusted the White Man because it somehow related to there own written prophecy



The Christian era began in the New World in 1492. The Spanish introduced a different moral code, baptism, the Mass, new concepts of good and evil, the idea of Heaven and Hell, the Virgin and saints, a new constitution of the family and the concept of the crucified Christ. The arrival of the Church in the New World terminated human sacrifice and cannibalism. Christian concepts suffused native art, Indians were forced to occupy a secondary position in the social structure and eventually became servants of the Spanish king and members of the Church’s “flock.”
It is important that students recognize that the history of the Catholic Church in Latin America was not merely an adjunct to the conquest or a side issue in the later independence movement but, rather that the history of the conquest and the history of the Church, itself are completely intertwined. The Inquisition in Spain became a reign of terror in the New World. Temples were razed and idols were destroyed as aboriginal cultures were viewed as manifestations of the devil.
An examination of the history of the Church in Latin America is necessary for today’s student to understand liberation sympathy in Latin America since the 1960’s. The student must understand the long history of the Church in that area. She must understand the role of the Church in the eras of the conquest and independence. She must be familiar with some of the dominant personalities of those periods, the treatment of the Indians during and after those periods and why the Church is so heavily involved in liberation today.

Click onto Link for further reading>

http://academic.sun.ac.za/forlang/bergman/real/mission/h_rcc.htm



Like you and me and many others we need to clean out our attics of all these superstitions and fears etc... after all isn't this in a sense the reason why we take Psychedelics.

note:
(DOES NOT APPLY TO EVERYONE)
 
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"but with an incredibly serious, aggressive, and manic edge " ha, great description. Man, i OD'd on at least 20mg of that "shit" and ended up in the hospital. In retrospect i could of survived it...maybe. When you overdue it with DOM, it's far too late and you're in the "holy fuck I over did it maybe for the last time ever" zone. ..But then things winde down and in retrospect DOM is one of the most kick ass psychedelics in existance (imho)..but only for the very very serious and strong hearted. Then again if one got their person dose of this compound right, then there'd be no worries. DOM is oh so fucking interesting...shamanistically...like eating datura and swearing to never do it again but "something" echos it's call to you once more...to see what you can now handle the 2nd time around. People say I talk in tangents too much............................................

Thank you very very much for your DOM TR contribution...there is definately not enough knowledge first hand on this shit floating around the net..in the serious heavy +++/++++/+++++++++ (;) ) matter that DOM tends to shit people into all the time...because "it's acid bro...don't worry" 8-)
 
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