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DOI (unknown amount) / Valerian Root - First Time - "An Ending"

Anony5000

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DOI (2.4?mg) / Valerian Root - First Time - "An Ending"

Material - DOI, 2 and 1/3 blotters

Setting - My apartment mostly.

Background - A drug user for less than a year, am 21 now. I have done a whole host of substances, legal and otherwise. Previous psychedelic experience includes ethocin, miprocin, ipracetin, 5-MeO-MiPT, DMT, 2c-i, LSD, salvia, and HBWR seeds.

+0 - From nowhere I found myself in possession of a 100 sheet of 1mg DOI blotters (I am sure that this material is what it is). I had not been planning on tripping too hard tonight, but my plans to hang out with a friend had fallen through, so I decided to try a decent dose of DOI. Hearing from other people that the drug takes a few hours to kick in, I drove out to the movies (Corpse Bride), and dropped slightly less than 2 and a half hits as I walked in.

+1:00 - There seems to be some definite activity going on. Colors blurring, oddities in the screen, patterns. This seems to be taking hold much too fast.

+1:30 - The movie ends and I am at a heavy +2. The world seems a very bizarre place right now. I rush out of the theater and into my car; the ride home is stressful. I am very surprised and grateful now that I was able to make it home safely, in retrospect.

+2:00 to +12:00 - There is a big blur here, and a lot of amnesia. From what I remember at certain points, I am curled up on the floor rocking with a pillow urinating myself somewhat uncontrollably. At another disconnected memory, Jesus Christ shook my roof, tore it open, and began speaking to me. The visuals were second to none.. This stuff made LSD look like the light beer of psychedelics. As Shulgin noted in PiHKAL, everything is completely delinearized; not a single straight line can be seen, everything bubbles out and patterns, grows, vibrates, flashes, breathes, transforms, and shifts colors endlessly. Trails hang in eyesight for periods of ten seconds or more. Simple arithmatic is impossible. The body load was incredibly painful, as well. There was numbness all over a lot of my body, and aches in my muscles and joints (as people seem to note moreso with DOB).

At some point during this time (towards the end I'm pretty sure, I must've been completely out of my head because I would never have otherwise made this decision) I consumed 3-5 450mg gelcaps of Valerian root, in hope that I might be able to bring myself down a little because I was tripping insanely roughly. I think this only added to the insanity, though. It's also perhaps responsible for some of the amnesia, but I really don't know.

+12:00 - The sun has now risen, and the daylight is even more bizarre than the night. People walking past my porch leave trails a mile long, and make bizarre hops between movements, sometimes teleporting across my visual field great distances. Everything is alive and moving, bubbling, growing infinitely. My body is in extreme pain; nausea and joint pain grows worse as time goes on. The Valerian root seems to have added a heavy tiredness to the trip, too. There seems to be very little drop in intensity from 8 hours ago. I want nothing more than this trip to be over. It is mostly traumatic to the nth degree. I call a friend and he takes it upon himself to make sure I survive this trip okay. At some points I am sure I am overdosing because of the pain my body is in, and very nearly call the police/911. My friend, thank God, manages to convince me that this is a poor idea. I flushed all my research chemicals, a half ounce of marijuana, and the remaining 97+ hits of DOI down the toilet in a bout of paranoia.

+16:00 - There is a lot of crying, and no end to the pain, or intensity. I roll on at a +3 in the most extreme sense. I want nothing more than for this trip to end. I am afraid at some points that I might die because of how bad the pain my body is in. The closed eye visuals are absurd, wicked fantasies and imagery of some of the most hideous sights I had ever witnessed (piles of melting eyeballs and rotting flesh, among other weirdness). This stuff has an evil, schizophrenic edge.

+20:00 - Zero drop in intensity. Closing my eyes then opening them seems to make the world dissolve and then reintegrate. Immense paranoia and body discomfort. I try to watch some television, but it is nothing but a blur of color and light, completely incomprehensible.

+25:00 - Still going and going and going and going. Pretty much still no less intense than it had been before. Same terrifying CEVs, psychotic fantasy. I try to sleep, but it's still absolutely impossible, as it has been throughout the whole trip. I want nothing more than this nightmare to be over. If my friend wasn't there to talk my down, I would surely be in a hospital by now.

+30:00-32:00 - It was at this time that the drug bottomed out, almost as quickly as it had come in. I am nothing but glad it is over. I manage to sleep for a few hours. The next day I'm still at a +1, but aside from being a bit colorful and bizarre, I'm able to manage fine. At the end of this experience, I have decided that I no longer wish to consume drugs.

Conclusion: This was one of the most traumatic experiences of my whole life; the shortness of the entry cannot begin to describe some of the the things experienced during the trip, nor do I believe words could ever be adequate enough. Did I overdose? It sure felt like it. Maybe by body is sensitive to DOI. Who knows? My relationship with mind-altering substances is over. I have no desire to fuck around with this stuff anymore.
 
Wow, damn man. Thats shitty.. I truthfully dont think 2.4 mg could do that to someone, even if they were sensitive. That chemical is so much more gentle than that until you reach the really high doses (such as what BD said - 8).. It sounds like you're sure that its DOI - i wonder if each hit has more on it than you thought.
 
I would expect 2 1/3 blotters of DOI to be more in the range of 4-6mg. Most people seem to be able to tolerate this chem up to 10mg and higher, but some seem to feel kinda shitty on lower doses.

But yeah, it takes like 9mg+ to last that long. Maybe they were some good DOI blotters =D
 
It's possible that the blotters were laid wrong -- I got them from a friend who was an amateur at laying and it seemed like the blotters at the corners were slightly saturated to the point that little whitish spots could be seen on it, that wasn't very apparent anywhere else on the blotter. When I dosed, I started from the corners, assuming that they maybe had slightly more DOI (I was aiming at 3.0mg, so I took less than 3 hits). I don't know. It's very possible that I had far more than I thought I did.
 
bluedolphin said:
I would expect 2 1/3 blotters of DOI to be more in the range of 4-6mg. Most people seem to be able to tolerate this chem up to 10mg and higher, but some seem to feel kinda shitty on lower doses.

But yeah, it takes like 9mg+ to last that long. Maybe they were some good DOI blotters =D

I also bet whatever's in the sewers is thanking your random attack of flushing everything.

it doesn't hurt to say you're not going to do drugs anymore. give it a few years and you'll not only thank yourself for it, you'll be grateful for every single moment. :)
 
Anony5000 said:
It's possible that the blotters were laid wrong -- I got them from a friend who was an amateur at laying and it seemed like the blotters at the corners were slightly saturated to the point that little whitish spots could be seen on it, that wasn't very apparent anywhere else on the blotter. When I dosed, I started from the corners, assuming that they maybe had slightly more DOI (I was aiming at 3.0mg, so I took less than 3 hits). I don't know. It's very possible that I had far more than I thought I did.

Was it thin / normal / or thick blotter? (relatively speaking)

Thick blotter can soak up like 3-4mg DOI each 1/4" square and not "show".
Thinner paper can hold less than half that amount.

It sounds like an amateur "lay"... there's a good chance it was dosed so that in the opinion of whoever laid it, 1 hit is a solid +++ trip. Especially if you can see the material on the surface of the paper.

Perhaps you (or a mod) would want to change the title of this post to reflect the likely higher dose than your guess of 2.4mg? And just say "unknown amount" or something...
 
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Mean Girl said:
I also bet whatever's in the sewers is thanking your random attack of flushing everything.

it doesn't hurt to say you're not going to do drugs anymore. give it a few years and you'll not only thank yourself for it, you'll be grateful for every single moment. :)

You lost me on that one Meanie ;)
 
bluedolphin said:
Was it thin / normal / or thick blotter? (relatively speaking)

Thick blotter can soak up like 3-4mg DOI each 1/4" square and not "show".
Thinner paper can hold less than half that amount.

It sounds like an amateur "lay"... there's a good chance it was dosed so that in the opinion of whoever laid it, 1 hit is a solid +++ trip. Especially if you can see the material on the surface of the paper.

Perhaps you (or a mod) would want to change the title of this post to reflect the likely higher dose than your guess of 2.4mg? And just say "unknown amount" or something...

It was on really thick white unperfs, I think watercolor paper. There were 1/4" squares penned in and it looked like they'd been cut prior along the lines along the top of the one side (I guess to help absorbancy?). The taste it left on my tongue when I consumed it was bitter, but not extremely so. I guess it's possible that the person who sold me this didn't know what amount was actually in the tabs and just made something up too.

If what you say is true, my dose could've been 10+ mg... Yikes. Well. Glad I'm alive, at least.
 
i'm hypothesizing. i haven't given up on them yet :D

i'll change it to unknown amount for posterity.
 
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No worries. There was a bit of DOI around my area for a while and I watched several people eat 15-20mg and survive. Most of the time these dudes were having a blast too. I think that is Dexter's preferred dose actually... lol.... well personally I only tried 2mg of the stuff and found it a bit weak and boring and too long. (but only like 16 hours... still too long for me though)
 
Wow, hefty experience.

I have also recently tried this material for the first time, and it also convinced me to give psychedelics a rest . . . for an unknown amount of time. I am unsure of the exact amount as some of it was stuck to the bag and the amount in the bag was also only approximate, but I believe that I had between 3 and 4.5mg. I found it extremely visual and consistently of the same nature, mindspace-wise more benevolent than, say, unpredictable shaky LSD, but I found it physically more uncomfortable than most psy's I have tried, especially in terms of circulation and lowered pain tbreshold/sensitivity, and despite some intuitions about How I Handle My Life and How I Am Not Doing As Well As I Could, the stuff didn't really reveal anything new to me or offer any insights to me in completely new terms, and it also lasted way too long, making me a bit high-strung after a number of hours. Over time, I just kept being torn round in circles and got stressed out and gradually a general physical as well as mental discomfort took over. Some grass (smoked) made matters worse and I felt pretty low and paranoid and vowed to give psy's a break for a bit. At the T+12:00 I opted for 1mg Xanax, which helped. At T+15:00 I must have slept, but I still felt at a +1 the next day upon waking...

Despite the intense colours and strong visuals the material procured me with little true insiggt and little sense of wonder. Add to that my discomfort both physical and mental . . . how much of it is dosing the chemical possibly to high, and how much of it is the nature of the material itself, and how much of it is a poorly prepared trip with the wrong mindset, I don't know. But recently many psychedelics have been hitting home the same message to me over an over again - that I won't learn anything new but keep being bothered by the same personal issues if I don't start acting and integrating what I have learnt into my life instead of just dosing psy's out of boredom and lack of will to create, every two weeks and more . . .
 
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