does withdrawal intensity vary from different roa's?

[deltajessie]

Real straight forward. I am coming off 200-230 mg daily oxycodone after a year of absolutely non stop continuous use... Meaning, *wake up* "oh I feel like absolute death, *rails a 30* "okay I can take a shower now."

I took 0 mg yesterday and by 1:00 am I had shaken them so well that I actually left my house to go star gazing with a girl. After passing out in her car, I awoke at my front door this morning covered in sweat, so I went inside and went back to bed.
I just woke up at 2:30 and took 10 mg to get rid of the sweats from hell.
Aside from that though.. all I've had is 1/2 of a .1 clondidine, and 1 klonipin, and my withdrawals seem to be a cake walk compared to when I came off 130ish mg.

The only difference is this time, not once did I ingest any of my oxycodone... Which leads to my question.


DOES YOUR ROA HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE INTENSITY OF YOUR W/D?

Like, since I've only insufflated I would expect runny eyes, nose, and yawns, to be my main complaint.

Eating, I assume it would be stomach cramps, shits, etc..


But this is all merely speculation. If anyone has any factual information or even personal experience on this subject that would be awesome.

I also considered that since there's a lower intranasal ba, I'm only getting 65% of that 230mg, and am expecting a way worse w/d, making this seem easy.

I am not taking any more today. I have 3 5 mg left for emergency purposes but aside from those I'm never touching the shit again.

Thanks for all your congratulations in advance

 

[switchtop]

Dude (or dudette), you're awesome. Good on ya for dropping such a heavy habit. Anyways, on to my input for the question at hand:
When it comes to addiction, a lot of the psychological portion comes from the behavior you must do to achieve your fix.
Think about it. Cigarette smokers are addicted to more than the tobacco, but the whole ritual of taking the cigarette out, holding it in your hand, bringing it back and forth from your mouth, watching the smoke you blow out, etc. It has been well proven that a big factor of cigarette addiction is this whole behavioral fixation that comes with smoking. That's why a lot of ex-smokers use toothpicks.
The same goes for any drug.
Another example: cocaine. Coke users love getting high, but they also romanticize the process of chopping up that line and rolling up that dollar bill.
Another example: Heroin (or anything injected really). A lot of drug users who IV are also subject to the whole fixation with sticking the needle in their arms. Hell, one of my buddies told me that when he quit his IV oxycodone habit, he would inject small amounts of just pure water, just to fill that psychological void.

This leads me to my next point. Think about how lackluster just swallowing a pill is. There's nothing to it. There's nothing to romanticize. This is why I believe that any ROA other than oral would increase the PSYCHOLOGICAL effects of withdrawal.

 

[Kittycat5]

Other than the runny nose, I doubt it. Once the drug reaches the blood, it goes everywhere so other than how much actually makes it to the blood, you will have effects whether you snort, shoot, or swallow it.

 

[deltajessie]

I get that the psychological aspect plays a part. The amount of stupid shit that's been up my nose due to that is ridiculous. Same goes for people shooting bupe cause they have a needle fixation.

My question was more so leaning towards the physical though.
Swallowing a pill, means as it dissolves it smears all over your intestines into your first pass metabolism and then sits in your stomach to be broken down, meaning more of the body has been touched by the drug than say... IV use.

SO during detox, your stomach (theoretically) would be trying to cleanse every part of itself leading to immense diarrhea cramps etc.

Although the same thing happens from the drip when insufflating, it is a lesser amount, already powdered, and already half broken down by nasal mucous which is why I feel I'm not getting too many stomach problems which behind the sweats are the worst for me.

In the same theory, I would bet IV users sweat a lot more during detox because of the fact it was in their blood going through their limbs.

Or pluggers theoretically would have worse diarrhea etc. You get the point.

Also pretty sure it's not as bad as expected literally because if nasal BA is 65% and I'm taking 230/day. That's really only 150ish mg.

Or am I just completely wrong and the grace of God himself is making this easy?

Every other time I've come off these, you couldn't pay me to get on BL. So that says something based on how much I'm writing.


And thanks for the props. I'm a dude btw. Lol

 

[Kittycat5]

You are thinking a bit wrong. The dissolution of the dosage form and absorption are more affected by ROA. But for most drugs, it needs to reach the blood and be distributed throughout the body to have effects. You have opioid receptors all over and once in circulation, the drug will reach them. Sure, BA is affected, but at your doses it is unlikely to feel much of a difference.

 

[deltajessie]

Bingo. Totally forgot about receptors.

Well it is day three now. Had to take 1/2 of a 5 mg 2x as I was losing my mind with these cravings. That's the worst part though. Its 95℉ outside so I keep attributing my sweating to that and it's done a relatively good job of keeping my mind off the detox. Just like quitting smoking though, there's so many triggers around my house that make me remember and feel everything real intensely. Honestly though this is 10/10 my biggest habit and 4/10 my worst detox. Hopefully I'm not just prolonging hell with these 5's but I really doubt it. I have my medical marijuana card so I've pretty much just been blunted eating edibles nonstop with a fan on me and some clondidine. Never touching this shit again. God forbid I hurt myself with my tolerance this high.

Thank you for your thoughtful, informative responses.

 

[Kittycat5]

No prob. Good luck man. Ive been through it at a bit higher doses and had no comfort meds other than loperamide and ibuprofen. You will get through it. In a week you will be functional. In a month, nearly the same as before you started. In a year...??? It depends but if you stay off them and keep your mind and body active, you may feel better than you have in a long time.

 

[deltajessie]

I fucked up. I didn't do the 'delete your dealers number' because I still make a large part of my income and one of my boys gave me a care package of 10 10s cause he hated seeing me this way (lol) and of course I wasn't going to refuse... I mean come on I feel like I'm fucking dying.
I took 2 of them and feel little relief. Just temptation to take more to feel normal. Which is intensified by the fact that I only have 8 more (so if I do another one ill only have 7 and that's not enough bla bla addict thought processes)
I'm not deleting any numbers. I am not going to na/aa. Nor will I go on MMT/suboxone. I am not taking any more tonight. I am carefully tapering this last amount myself as I do not want to reset this withdrawal in full force.


If any ex users see this (including kittycat5) : what gave you guys the will power to not go out and get more? My brain does NOT enjoy envisioning a life without these. The only thing that is getting me through this, is the thought that once I am drug free long enough I can take less and feel the same high, however my plan is not to relapse as I have a lot of fucking will power. I can go on 4 day cocaine binges and stop and never once think about getting more. I feel bad about relapsing but it only assists in my taper (that was very rapid due to no supply) and I know beating yourself up doesn't help, so I'm chalking it up as a loss and moving forward. No sense crying over spilt milk while simultaneously celebrating.

So yeah, any tips (maybe even things you learned in NA that aren't part of the 12 steps or that you find in a basic Google search of addiction recovery strategies) I would greatly appreciate. I'm simulating rock bottom before I'm there. I'm making statements, not saying things like "I'm trying, or I might". I'm going to quit and never touch this shit again. Just gotta grindddddd it out.

 

[wezface]

There's more discrepancy involved with duration than intensity, in my experience. Oral drugs take a bit longer to process, linger a bit longer, which can stretch out the unpleasantness.

 

[deltajessie]

That was my initial thought too. Hmm. maybe we can get some more input. maybe some links?

 

[Kittycat5]

Oral drugs tend to have longer duration overall than other ROA's but chronic administration will cause some accumlation regardless.