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Does the style of animation affect how you like a (cartoon) show?

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One thing that I dont like about a lot of cartoons (and yea, i am pretty fuckin critical when it comes to the cartoons on these days) is the animation they use.

I aint a walt-disney animation purist, all lifelike and realistic and crap, but as someone who does art and appreciates the work it can take, some of the shit today just rubs me the wrong way.

I remember when Hey Arnold came out and i didnt like their style at all, but since then shit really took a turn for the simpler and uglyer LOL. compared to today Hey Anold aint lookin too bad.

For example i actually started to realize that there is a lot of jokes in Family guy that i WOULD find funny, except for some reason the animation of the show is so unbearable to me that i cant watch it. the characters are just so ugly. in a real life show it wouldnt bother me that much but the visual appeal is so low that i cant look at the screen long enough to watch it.

It seems like lately the degree of actual art in animation on especially KIDS shows is just goin down the tubes.

Now dont get me wrong, i aint all traditional like that. i like Ren and Stimpys style, always did, and a lot of other shows, i aitn got a problem with individual and unusual style. even shit liek Aqua teens, which is simple, but the backgrounds and shit have alot of detail in them.

But these kids shows are so hype, loud, obnoxious, with fast moving everything, fast dialog, annoying high pitched voices, its like a train wreck exploding on screen every frame. and the drawing itself is getting very simple, little amount of details, no wonder kids have friggin ADD. Sometimes i sit there like.....is it possible...ONCE...to just make a show, where the characters AINT fuckin DEFORMED looking? like...just a NOSE? not a punching bag? can we have someone with teeth, not humungous buckteeth that take up their whole half of their head? theres so much exaggeration and simplification....peopel dont even look like people no more if you really think about it.

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Theres definately a trend in the style used there....


Anyways, I aint tryina make this my personal soapbox so ill quit talkin about what i like and dont like, just wondering if there is anyone else out there who sometimes pays more attention to the animation than the show even. i know most peopel prolly dont give a fuck, but maybe other people who do art or especially comic book art and animation could give their opinions.

good animation really makes a show better for me. even Boondocks, and i dont like the Anime style at all, has some beautiful animation in it especially in the granddads fight episode. good, detailed, rich animation, i can really appreciate that shit, its a treat for your eyes to see.

Shit like the old walt disney version of Fantasia, other than it being a psychedelic stoner fest movie, is beautiful to me just seeing the degree of artistry and detail in the animation of it, its gorgeous.

Like i said, i dont watch anime at all, but my sister does and one night i saw the ghost in the shell. it was a episode about a abandoned city and going down into the abandoned city to mine for radioactive chemicals and shit.
But the backgrounds, the scenery, was BEAUTIFUL, i was not payin attention to a damn word they said but just soaking in the art of it and the setting whiel i waited for her to leave so i could put my shit on. it was like being in a museum loking at a painting you really really like. i wish there was more of that commitment to making it pleasant to see, with some of these other shows.

Shit over time got more stylized and thats cool..... its interesting to see all different types of animation on shows than jsut one bland ass old style all the time, but at the same time, it seems like they sacrifice skill or good design (making it pleasant to the eyes) for style sometimes.

Ill end this shit now, but I wonder what yall thought about that.
does the style the show is drawn make any difference to you?
do you pay attention to the backgrounds, the characters, the lighting, the style?

anything else you wanna add?
 
One reason I hate anime is every scene looks like they are just flying thru the air and yelling at each other. Maybe you've made me realize why I hate most cartoons nowadays Lacey!

But then again, I LOVE Beavis and Butthead, and that's the stiffest animation I've seen. And I love the Simpsons, and Drawn Together, so I guess the style really has nothing to do with it for me. It comes down to weather or not it's entertaining. Anime isn't for me.
 
smotpoker said:
One reason I hate anime is every scene looks like they are just flying thru the air and yelling at each other. Maybe you've made me realize why I hate most cartoons nowadays Lacey!

But then again, I LOVE Beavis and Butthead, and that's the stiffest animation I've seen. And I love the Simpsons, and Drawn Together, so I guess the style really has nothing to do with it for me. It comes down to weather or not it's entertaining. Anime isn't for me.


LOL...its funny...like

Beavis and butthead is a extremely ugly-ly drawn cartoon, but at least its original. i HATE king of the hill, other than its plot, its animation. its by the same peeps as far as i know but its old now.

and i guess thats what problem i get with shit too....sure...make your own style...a style that may be bizarre and unusual but its original and theres obviously SOME art to it. no matter how simple a drawing may be, you can TELL when thers a certain level of mastery underneath it and that person is just drawing simple cuz they can.

it takes a LOT of talent to be able to render something extremely simple. thats why i admire certain animation so much. they capture the flow and essence of a person or thing in a simple cartoon sketch.

but then people see that...the simplicity of one thing, and latch onto it, without the skills underneath to back it up, which is when you get crap cartoons.

i admit i watch squidbillies and 12 oz mouse, because they are so bizzarre and fucked up, but he animation is fuckin....horrendously bad. lol. i do like the backgrounds in squidbillies, and 12 oz mouse is just crazy in general that i coul watch tha tshit with my eyes closed and it wouldnt matter.

but the Nickelodeon-style animation that kinda took over still sucks IMO.
 
thank god i'm not a kid anymore, I find cartoons these days repulsive. It's not just the looks though, it's the voices and the way the characters act. I just can't stand it. Loney toons are so much better.

I see nothing wrong with family guy though, american dad bothers me some.I'd probably like it better if they weren't drawn how they are. I won't even give drawn together a chance partly because of how they are drawn and partly the voices.

I found ghost in the shell to be the same. For a long time I woulnd't even give anime a chance becuase I thought it was all that aweful looking shit like dragon ballz. Then i watched the ghost in the shell movie and loved it, now i'm able to take some anime seriously. In the second ghost in the shell movie, one five minute scene took them a year to make. good stuff.

but ya, fuck kids and their damn cartoons these days. The only channel to watch is boomerang? I think it's called.
 
Has anyone else noticed how much anime creators try to make the characters look white? They've all got big eyes, not chinked, often having a hair color other than black, and their skin looks white not yellow oriental tone.
 
Ya,what's with that? Only a handfull of characters actually look asian. It took them saying where they are before I realized ghost in the shell was set in japan, although I think the big guy, Bauto?, is supposed to be white. The characters on cowboy bebop I still assume are white.
 
Anime is a whole nother story all together. Aint my shit at all. japans shit is just too damn freaky.

Anyways, thank you! thank you! SOMEONE FINALLY UNDERSATNDS MY HATRED FOR THESE NEW CARTOONS! the fucin VOICES...the everything....

All the characters are like supercharged rubber balls zipping across the screen and so fucin hyperactive and annoying i wanna smash the tv.

kindred TV spirit goat. LOL.
 
Animation style has little effect on how I feel about a cartoon. For instance, "AQTHF" and "Sealab 2021" have completely shitty animation, but their storylines and dialogue are hilarious. My signature comes from an Adult Swim cartoon, "12 oz. Mouse", which literally has graphics that look like a six year-old scribbled them, but with surreal lines. On the other side of the equation, there's anime with beautiful graphics, but pathetic dialogue and stories. What makes or breaks a cartoon for me are the jokes; the crazier (or cleverer) the laughs, the better. The animation quality itself is just a detail.

Re anime:
There's anime I like, but on the whole I'm rather dismayed that it has become a kind of benchmark for animation, especially stylistically. I guess we have nobody to blame for that but ourselves; as long as Americans continue to see cartoons as "kids stuff", we'll never see any serious homegrown animation, IMO.

P.S.--I think GITS is one of the best shows on television right now. ;)
 
yes, the animation style definitely affects how i judge a cartoon. there's this one cartoon, i can't think of the name of it, but i've passed it on tv a few times. all the outlines of the characters vibrate the entire fuckin time! so irritating. i don't know how someone could watch that without getting a migrane or seizure.
 
Generally, the animation style has little effect on me. The only exception would be Hayao Miyazaki's style which (IMO is the best in the world) adds a tonne of depth to the stories he selects which on their own would easily suffice to make great fucking films.

As for cartoons, I used to be put off by the animation of King of the Hill and Family guy too, but once i got to know the characters, i don't notice the style at all now. i fucking LOVE those shows now, and try not to miss them. They are both brilliantly written.

I was obssessed with Cartoon Network cartoons for a while. The first few seasons of The Powerpuff Girls are excellent. I never saw a bad episode of Dexter's Laboratory. Cow N Chicken and I R Baboon are funny as.

Lacey you gotta see Samurai Jack. That cartoon is the most stylist cartoon since Aeon Flux. It takes the medium to a new level. The same creator (Genndy Tartakovski) did Dexter's Lab and the excellent Star Wars The Clone Wars series (which was better than the prequel films).

I don't mind anime, but I really don't have the time to get into them. Some of their stories last decades. I fucking LOVE Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, but that because I've read the entire series and am obssessed with Akira Toriyama (I have a toriyama tattoo around my right forearm).

the only example of bad animation, and i mean really bad animation that i can think of is the last several seasons of the Simpsons. It's become completely paint by numbers and formulaic. When the stories have become so shit and heartless so has the animation. It's what happens when a creative institution simply becomes pure business.
 
<<yes, the animation style definitely affects how i judge a cartoon. there's this one cartoon, i can't think of the name of it, but i've passed it on tv a few times. all the outlines of the characters vibrate the entire fuckin time! so irritating. i don't know how someone could watch that without getting a migrane or seizure>>

That's probably "Home Movies". I have to admit, that jiggling gets to me as well, bad. "Dr. Katz" was that way as well, and it was just too distracting.

In short, put me down as hating the "vibrating cartoon" motif as well.
 
xena said:
yes, the animation style definitely affects how i judge a cartoon. there's this one cartoon, i can't think of the name of it, but i've passed it on tv a few times. all the outlines of the characters vibrate the entire fuckin time! so irritating. i don't know how someone could watch that without getting a migrane or seizure.

dr katz?

i used to like it but the vibrating characters made me anxious.
 
i hate the scribble animation dr. katz type
ack.

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boondocks is simple, vector created looking people. shading is minimal and detail is only used to create shapes and sometimes feeling. nothing is extraneous.

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i love grim.
simple, clean, cute!, stark. really the girl with him is done well too but the only reason stopped don this show or have ever watched is because i really love grim.
 
Edd ed and eddy also has vibrating lines, shit annoys the FUCK outta me. makes me feel liek havin a seizure. i bet someone else said that already too lol.

Anyways, its interesting seeing peoples conflicting views...whats awesome to me is too ___ for someone else, what sucks to me (grim adventures) is awesome to you wanderlust. i gues part of the reason i dont like it is cuz what i mentioned before. everything always gotta be so damn exaggerated, people cant just make a nose look like a nose or hair look like hair, it gotta be 500 times bigger that it should be or made out of pudding cups or some shit.

I agree w/you Belisarius about 12 oz mouse, the animation is horrible but i love that show. the surrealness makes it....what it is. and i still dont even know what it is. lol. when i saw your sig i laughed cuz i saw that episode...its like if a acid trip was a TV show sometimes.

Anyways peeps keep the replies comin :)
 
If the Simpsons stuck with the same animation format as it started with I would not have watched it as long as I did. I didn't like the sharp edges and their voices weren't in sync with their mouths.
 
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I'm with Belisarius (at least with his his initial post).

Just gimme the muthafuckin' jokes.

In fact, the better episiodes of Home Movies and Dr. Katz are so funny, I can even handle Squiggle Vision.

And because Family Guy, by leaps and bounds the funniest show in the history of television, is so hilarious, I would still "watch" it even if my TV was broken and allowed me to observe the audio component only.

If only Stewie and Brian were around to entertain our grandparents during the radio days.
 
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