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Opioids Does the body heal/repair itself onits own after a drug like Tramadol? Giving up

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I have been equally mentally drawn/exhausted the past few days as I have been a few weeks ago when I got off tramadol CT. The worst depression imaginable I feel like my body is still waiting on tramadol to bring it back to homeostasis. I feel like I am not building any new serotonin receptors or whatever tramadol jacks up. If this continues I feel that I may give in and start Tramadol again. My life has been hell I have never been this socially awkward, depressed, lonely (by my own choice). I just wish I had the answers knew the science knew what drugs can help me build my receptors back that tramadol destroyed.

If anyone here is by chance knowledgeable on anything that could possibly help me in this predicament I thank you.
 
How long had you been taking tramadol and at what doses?

Forcing yourself to get back into your routine will go a long ways. It will become natural again soon enough. A good diet and exercise are going to help immensely.

Feel free to PM me if you need to unload.
 
All of thee above. CT is not the way to go. Eat healthy, excercise, vitamins, minerals, etc.
 
do not give up!!!!! it will be over before you know it!!
 
Other than what's already been mentioned, have you considered a nootropic regimen? Not just any one or two, but the right stack might help aid in your quest to replenish those neurotransmitters.

This is in addition to diet/exercise, tho; those are really key to finding the way back.
 
crisler said:
I have been equally mentally drawn/exhausted the past few days as I have been a few weeks ago when I got off tramadol CT. The worst depression imaginable I feel like my body is still waiting on tramadol to bring it back to homeostasis. I feel like I am not building any new serotonin receptors or whatever tramadol jacks up. If this continues I feel that I may give in and start Tramadol again. My life has been hell I have never been this socially awkward, depressed, lonely (by my own choice). I just wish I had the answers knew the science knew what drugs can help me build my receptors back that tramadol destroyed.

If anyone here is by chance knowledgeable on anything that could possibly help me in this predicament I thank you.
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It took me about 6 months to feel completely back to normal. I'm 90% sure it's mainly the seratonergic activity that makes it terrible.

Are you taking any other drugs? Other things (even coffee) can be making it worse. Tramadol is a really shitty drug
 
OP, please remember the 3 components of serotonin:

- Everlasting Illusion/Delusion (acquiring a new serotonin level makes you relate to how you feel like it's meant to be, it cannot be any other way, it will never go away, what's done can't be undone and you'll stay that way forever)
- Spatial-Temporal Awareness (enhanced perception of reality, increased level of comfort in discussing topics like Death and Meaning of Life, along with a felt disbelief that Death is the End, irrational attachment to concepts like God)
- Sufficiency (transforms pleasing elements into irritants by changing the way the brain perceives the stimulant-nerve interaction, undermines compulsion, stops binges and removes wanting/longing)

You are mislead by the first component. I know that you could sware on the Bible right now that you've caused permanent damage and this will never go away, but that's the serotonin dictating to you to believe in this way. Nothing could be further away from the truth. Withdrawals will be over and you'll be like new lol.
 
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where did you get that from KSa?
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Just combined knowledge from many papers books and accounts. For example, if he was withdrawing from Heroin, even if the pain was excruciating, he would be persuaded that it would go away. Serotonin withdrawals, you feel like nothing is ever going to change.
 
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Ksa said:
OP, please remember the 3 components of serotonin:

- Everlasting Illusion/Delusion (acquiring a new serotonin level makes you relate to how you feel like it's meant to be, it cannot be any other way, it will never go away, what's done can't be undone and you'll stay that way forever)
- Spatial-Temporal Awareness (enhanced perception of reality, increased level of comfort in discussing topics like Death and Meaning of Life, along with a felt disbelief that Death is the End, irrational attachment to concepts like God)
- Sufficiency (transforms pleasing elements into irritants by changing the way the brain perceives the stimulant-nerve interaction, undermines compulsion, stops binges and removes wanting/longing)

You are mislead by the first component. I know that you could sware on the Bible right now that you've caused permanent damage and this will never go away, but that's the serotonin dictating to you to believe in this way. Nothing could be further away from the truth. Withdrawals will be over and you'll be like new lol.
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Dude that is actually so powerful and true, thank you for telling me this Ksa you've always been a knowledgeale and helpful member of bl community. This is actually very true and I never saw it this way, the first thing you bolded. The tramadol did for the past 9 months cure my depression because it brought me to a better understanding/acceptance/outlook on everything I got back with my wife, I actually started working again which I love my job now. So many things have been going well, I look in the mirror and I see a person Im comfortable with, I see me. Last year at the height of my depression before tramadol I saw a loser, an underweight, failed marriage, no motivation, pointless sad person in the mirror. Tramadol allof that disappeared I then thought Im going to use this tramadol not to get high, but to cure my own depression, because my source isnt going away ever.

So I got carried away I loved tramadol I used it not to get high but to function as the person I always wanted to these past few years. My younger days were filled with joy this depression is something that came about the past 2 years. "acquiring a new serotonin level makes you relate to how you feel like it's meant to be, it cannot be any other way, it will never go away, what's done can't be undone and you'll stay that way forever" that is truth and I need to write that down and look at it everyday. Why cant I mentally be the person I was on tramadol. I have to continue to be that person if thats who I want to be, can;t let depression come back.

Thanks for the good advice to everyone else too.
 
Tramadol is a bad one, once you build up that tolerance it almost becomes an anti-depressant. I always enjoyed the physical effect, limiting the synapses between body/mind; once your off it and your receptors start picking shit up again it's horrid, although not really the worst of withdrawal symptoms vs the heavy hitters - just long and agitating + physically demanding.

Took me about 6 weeks to start to feel okay last time I went off.
 
Vitamin B daily. Try to eat lots of fish/salmon if you can. Diet will play more of a crucial role in healing your brain and body now.
It'll take a while to heal those receptors, but don't give up. Hope you feel better.

I've taken Tramadol to help ease withdrawal symptoms in the past. While a weak drug, it boosted my mood, almost an adderal effect on my brain. Never took it more than a week, though.
 
This may sound like a random question, but were you taking any anti-depressants in the SSRI family as well? The interaction can produce some truly awful side effects, including potential Serotonin Syndrome.

I was very surprised to learn that a specialist in Pain Management that I respected, who is well trained, had actually suggested to several of his patients who were on SSRIs that they take Tramadol for break-through pain. Not very responsible advise.
 
Tinker55 said:
This may sound like a random question, but were you taking any anti-depressants in the SSRI family as well? The interaction can produce some truly awful side effects, including potential Serotonin Syndrome.

I was very surprised to learn that a specialist in Pain Management that I respected, who is well trained, had actually suggested to several of his patients who were on SSRIs that they take Tramadol for break-through pain. Not very responsible advise.
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How did you learn about him prescribing the combination to other patients, did the doctor confess that to you as a potentially good route for your pain management? How do you know what he prescribed to other patients? Also, with some pain patients, high serotonin can work really well, actually some of them even watch porn to help with the pain. Recreationally, it is a dangerous combination, but in regular treatment, some patients can benefit, hope it answers the question.
 
Without giving out private info, the information came to me by way of my job. Not that that alters the issue.
 
Ksa said:
How did you learn about him prescribing the combination to other patients, did the doctor confess that to you as a potentially good route for your pain management? How do you know what he prescribed to other patients? Also, with some pain patients, high serotonin can work really well, actually some of them even watch porn to help with the pain. Recreationally, it is a dangerous combination, but in regular treatment, some patients can benefit, hope it answers the question.
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I was prescribed the combination, but I did not not take it. I've had weird side effects from tramadol alone nevertheless in combination with an SSRI
 
I would be willing to bet that your symptoms of depression come from the antidepressant component of tramadol as opposed to your opiate receptors being altered, as you mentioned in the OP.

Although, yes, there's always PAWS, you tend to see that with the strong opioids like heroin, oxy, fentanyl, etc, etc


Have you considered going on a traditional antidepressant for some time, at least until you feel completely clear of any possible opioid related "healing" ? I think maybe you responded well to the antidepressant component of tramadol? The issue with stopping tramadol cold turkey is you're withdrawing from both an opioid and an antidepressant. Plays havoc with your brain. I've heard of people having success taking an antidepressant for a while (or even remaining on it), letting the body go thru PAWS, then tapering the antidepressant


Just some food for thought. It's better than getting back on tramadol because of your mental state....
 
I went through a week or two of straight or maybe three. unlike other opioids you also get that HUGE dip in serotonin. Overall I stayed clean, but couldn't stand the effects of low serotonin - insomnia, arrhythmia but basically ended up on a low dose celexa(anti-depressant. Which has worked well especially week for me. I'm sure there's better answers but I hope you make the best of a shitty situation thanks bl family!!

Anti-depressants can be a wonderful mood stabilizer!
 
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