Hi people,
I've been reading the thread and would like to add a couple of 2 cents. I've mixed facts and opinions a bit, but you can probably spot what's what. If you don't like wordiness you can TL;DR to "Regarding this thread".
Purity of street speed
- The average sample of street speed here in The Netherlands has 36% amphetamine (source: Trimbos Drug Monitoring System).
- Since "pure" speed is 73% amphetamine and 27% sulphate, an average sample is 50% speed and 50% cutting agent.
- The most popular agent (by far) being used to cut amphetamine sulphate is caffeine (again Trimbos).
- Since a lot of illegal amphetamine is produced in The Netherlands and Belgium, I would expect a lower average purity in other countries:. More middle men, more crap in your
- Although your speed may be further cut with anything that a middle man came up with, there's good reason to expect caffeine in it.
Amphetamine base and amphetamine sulphate
- Pure amphetamine base is a brownish oil.
- Pure amphetamine sulphate is a white, bone dry and
completely odorless powder (yeah I was shocked too).
- Racemic amphetamine sulphate contains two optical isomers, levo (or left-) amphetamine and dextro (or right-) amphetamine. Think of it as the same molecules but mirrored
- (Simplified): Dextro amphetamine is a stimulant that works mainly on the dopamine system (focus, motivation), levo amphetamine works on norepinephrine (physical restlessness, raised pulse, jaw clenching, etc).
- "Dexies" are pills containing only dex amp, Adderall is 75% dextro and 25% levo.
- The typical stink of speed is actually the smell of solvents and precursor residues, most notably phenylacetone.
Amphetamine paste
- What is sold as wet speed or speed paste can be anything really, from the actual stuff to wall filler
- In a good case, it's a mix of amphetamine sulphate and some remaining solvents. It dries really fast and the remaining speed can be chopped to a very fine powder easily
- Some reason people are selling paste instead of powder: (1.) it might suggest that the stuff is fresh from the lab... (2.) It weighs more, 10 grams typically dry to 5 - 7 grams... (3.) For a manufacturer, drying speed in large quantities means a longer time-to-market. And it smells ungodly of course (4.) I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that caffeine will not turn yellow as long as it is mixed into speed paste.
What to do with paste
- Snorting paste is a mistake you'll make only once (*)
- Parachuting paste is not a good idea either. You wouldn't drink acetone or thinner, so don't eat whatever is in your paste either. - If your paste is any good, it'll dry very quickly, so just have a little patience
- If it dries slowly you probably bought stuff from a dealer how wetted the speed with water to make it look like paste. You probably don't want to know what else is in it: get rid of it and read up about the onion network and its amazing possibilities to order things online
- You can dry your "couple-of-grams" stash in one go: amphetamine sulphate is quite a stable substance. People reporting that their speed has lost its kick after drying are probably unknowingly reporting that they've been building a tolerance, I guess.
In general, don't snort your speed, eat it. It would be a waste if it was cocaine, but bioavailability of ingested speed is just as good as nasal administration, especially if you have a Tums before. The onset is faster when you snort it, true, but if you ingest it you get a longer high, so that evens it out. Moreover, chronic sinusitis really sucks: apart from the headaches and the difficulty breathing through your nose (which indirectly leads to tooth decay), it looks really shabby to have a running nose all the time, and loss of smell = loss of taste up to 80%. If you can't smell fresh bread anymore, and you disgust other people because you have to chew it with your mouth open you'll regret thinking so highly of a fast onset.
Caffeine or amphetamine?
- Caffeine is a white powder that will turn slightly yellow and lumpy after time.
- If your speed is yellowish and you can't chop it to a very fine powder, it is probably cut and not very fresh
- A lot of people get jitters, anxiety and hangovers from using speed. Although this can be caused by the levo amphetamine, a highly likely culprit is caffeine. Pure speed does not make you all that jittery, and dexamphetamine even less. Your hangover is actually largely caused by the caffeine, that bottle of scotch that went down so amazingly well, poor hydration, poor nutrition and no sleep.
Regarding some things mentioned in this thread
- If someone would ingest 2 grams of speed and not feel much more than a raised pulse, it would mean their dopamine system is completely downregulated (I hope that is proper English). Speed tolerance builds fast and there's also cross tolerance with about every other stimulant, but to get to a point where 2 grams does nothing much, you'd have been using ridiculous amounts of speed (or meth or cocaine) for some time. Ingesting 2 grams and not ending up in the hospital is one thing, but a tolerance where you hardly feel anything from it is something else.
- If these 2 grams were actually 2 grams of caffeine ( = 20 cups of coffee), you'd feel really bad if you don't have a caffeine tolerance to a bit overstimulated if you're the mugs guzzling office jockey type.
- "Speed" is either methamphetamine or amphetamine. It doesn't really matter what method of synthesis was used or wether it came from Poland or from the moon: these molecules aren't aware of it and will do what they do regardless.
- It is possible though that adulterants change the effect of a drug, but that is seldom for the better. (Funny thing: on MDMA.ch I found various reports of pure meth underwhelming IV users, whereas meth with a bit of epsom salt in it makes them rush much harder -
http://chemistry.mdma.ch/hiveboard/crystal/000480728.html - no idea how factual this is).
How to get a reasonably good product
- I've tried a couple dark market contacts. I sticked to Dutch ones with good reviews and a high order #.
- Lab test results varied from 50/50 amphetamine sulphate vs caffeine to (about) pure amphetamine sulphate.
- If pure, you already have a good quality product I guess.
- If not, clean out the caffeine with anhydrous acetone. It's really easy and cheap. You'll find how to do it if you google it. Don't forget: use 100% acetone and use a new bottle, in any other case it will have water in it, and your precious goods are solvable in water...
- When you're done and the acetone is evaporated, enjoy the stuff in small quantities. Chances are that 2 x 50 mg will make you Blitzkrieg your way through the next 24 hours. You might want to set reminders for nutrition, hydration, and you should probably time box activities such as cleaning, sorting stuff and downloading porn.
(*) In general, don't snort your speed, eat it. It would be a waste if it was cocaine, but bioavailability of ingested speed is just as good as nasal administration, especially if you have a Tums before. The onset is faster when you snort it, true, but if you ingest it you'll get a longer high, so that evens it out. Moreover, chronic sinusitis really sucks: apart from the headaches and the difficulty breathing through your nose (which leads to tooth decay), it looks really shabby to have a running nose all the time, and loss of smell = loss of taste. If you can't smell fresh bread anymore, and you disgust other people because you have to chew it with your mouth open, you'll regret thinking so highly of a fast onset.
