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Does seeking medical help really help for a Long Term Comedown?
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freesolo123
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I think would be different for everyone, what are the symptoms? Did you have a preexisting mental health problem? how long has it been? How much use?
@ freesolo123
I did about 200mg of n-ethylpentylone (it was supposed to have been molly) . Experiencing LTC. Been almost 2.5 months already. As of right now recovery is erratic. Anxiety, panic attacks, etc. It's pretty much a nightmare. Trying to stay away from caffeine and alcohol. Even a little bit of these things brings back anxiety full force. Most advice I see is about giving it more time. Some advice I see is about seeing a medical professional. I just wanted to know if there was anyone out there who actually benefited from seeking medical help.
I did about 200mg of n-ethylpentylone (it was supposed to have been molly) . Experiencing LTC. Been almost 2.5 months already. As of right now recovery is erratic. Anxiety, panic attacks, etc. It's pretty much a nightmare. Trying to stay away from caffeine and alcohol. Even a little bit of these things brings back anxiety full force. Most advice I see is about giving it more time. Some advice I see is about seeing a medical professional. I just wanted to know if there was anyone out there who actually benefited from seeking medical help.
freesolo123
Bluelighter
Sorry to hear you are suffering so much. Did you have any mental health issues before the LTC?
freesolo123
Bluelighter
How old are you? Sorry for all the questions just trying to paint a picture of your situation in my mind
freesolo123
Bluelighter
Wow! I was expecting 19 year old male.
I thought the drug use could maybe trigger a mental health issue that had not come to the surface yet, it could still be the case at 54.
You will heal, humans are amazingly adaptable, we adapt and heal to almost anything. Your body is sending you signals saying "don't do that again" that's what all the bad feelings are. Everyone gets them you just seem to be feeling them more than others. I got so depressed through drugs I couldn't leave my house for 6 months and I'm fine now
What was your thoughts on drugs before you took it? what sort of emotions did MDMA bring up was it Nerves, Anxiety and Fear? Do you have any other drug experiences?
I thought the drug use could maybe trigger a mental health issue that had not come to the surface yet, it could still be the case at 54.
You will heal, humans are amazingly adaptable, we adapt and heal to almost anything. Your body is sending you signals saying "don't do that again" that's what all the bad feelings are. Everyone gets them you just seem to be feeling them more than others. I got so depressed through drugs I couldn't leave my house for 6 months and I'm fine now
What was your thoughts on drugs before you took it? what sort of emotions did MDMA bring up was it Nerves, Anxiety and Fear? Do you have any other drug experiences?
Nerves, Anxiety and Fear..yup that's what I've been going through because of my LTC. I'm not a regular user.
And every week when I have two days off I end up with anxiety because I either drink alcohol and tea (tea has caffeine). So last week I didn't even go out but ended up having four cups of lipton tea at home over the two days. I believe the caffeine messed me up. I guess as a person is recovering from this their brain might be very susceptible to things that hinder the recovery process. I don't know. I'm just guessing.
And every week when I have two days off I end up with anxiety because I either drink alcohol and tea (tea has caffeine). So last week I didn't even go out but ended up having four cups of lipton tea at home over the two days. I believe the caffeine messed me up. I guess as a person is recovering from this their brain might be very susceptible to things that hinder the recovery process. I don't know. I'm just guessing.
F.U.B.A.R.
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n-ethylpentylone seems to be a reoccurring theme in these reports of LTC. Sounds like bad shit...
freesolo123
Bluelighter
I can tell you are very anxious and its a horrible way to feel. I not 100% thats it is all a LTC, some is but I thing that you are creating some of your own anxiety which is understandable, Overthinking things like if caffeine is making you anxious? Maybe it is maybe not but the fact you are worrying about this stuff tells me are susceptible to suggestion.
I would totally avoid alcohol its a depressant and causes anxiety/depression.
Talk therapy would help for sure, help you think through your problems apart from that get outside and feel the elements, get plenty of rest and stay social.
I would totally avoid alcohol its a depressant and causes anxiety/depression.
Talk therapy would help for sure, help you think through your problems apart from that get outside and feel the elements, get plenty of rest and stay social.
I've seen mixed reviews on going to the doctor, for some it's helped for others it hasn't. I'd say it can't hurt so long as you keep an open mind and NEVER trust the doctors word as 100%. Some of them know what they are talking about but most don't so double check EVERYTHING they say or prescribe.
In my opinion I wouldnt go unless your looking to try out anti-depressants or benzodiazepines for your condition. That's about all they'll maybe do for you.
The cons include marks on your record labeling you as a drug user which could impede medical help in the future.
The more I talk about it the more I say it's a bad idea to go. I've been in and out of the medical system my whole life, it's a joke and sadly all my diagnoses I made on myself were correct and I'd be told it was "anxiety" or "all in my head" only for them to realize later I was right after they dug deeper or my condition worsened. If it were me I'd stay far away, but that's me...
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In my opinion I wouldnt go unless your looking to try out anti-depressants or benzodiazepines for your condition. That's about all they'll maybe do for you.
The cons include marks on your record labeling you as a drug user which could impede medical help in the future.
The more I talk about it the more I say it's a bad idea to go. I've been in and out of the medical system my whole life, it's a joke and sadly all my diagnoses I made on myself were correct and I'd be told it was "anxiety" or "all in my head" only for them to realize later I was right after they dug deeper or my condition worsened. If it were me I'd stay far away, but that's me...
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freesolo123
Bluelighter
If its 24/7 I would definitely go to a doctor and explain what has happened, Why put up with what you are describing as month of Anxiety and Panic attacks, there is no test they can really do but I suspect you would meet the Depression & Anxiety criteria for diagnosis,
No it's not 24/7. It feels like it. But I have periods of calm. But there are days when the anxiety is full on the whole damn day. Today I'm starting to feel a bit calm. Let's hope I can keep this up. I'll be sure to stay away from caffeine and see how that goes for me. Will keep you posted. Thanks for the input...ALL of you. Very kind.
ZeroLuck
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It's certain amount of luck to find a capable doctor, after all those types of issues are troubleshooted with shooting in the dark, our understanding of the brain is highly limited, the damage we've done as well. It's a guess work, after all. We don't have a single solution so far with the hundreds of people going through LTC, half of them have seen doctors and they've shared all their knowledge already. Some people got relief after SSRI's, other from hormone therapy, there's the ones from mindfulness and healthy lifestyle changes.
If you want medical help, best thing would be to find someone who already treated LTC induced patients. But I would give my money for a good psychologist.
What I believe is rewiring your brain through practice to be more happy. It's by far the best thing you can do, put a small smile on your face and think about positive things, the color of the wall, the sound of the birds, the fresh air... whatever. With few months of this kind of mindset, I'm finally happy by default the most of the time. If not happy at least have some amount of peace.
If you want medical help, best thing would be to find someone who already treated LTC induced patients. But I would give my money for a good psychologist.
What I believe is rewiring your brain through practice to be more happy. It's by far the best thing you can do, put a small smile on your face and think about positive things, the color of the wall, the sound of the birds, the fresh air... whatever. With few months of this kind of mindset, I'm finally happy by default the most of the time. If not happy at least have some amount of peace.
lionheart90
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Hello District9. I am on month 8 of my long term comedown and I have been evaluating things for a while now. One trend I've noticed is that no matter how much health practices I do, I never quite feel back to normal. I feel better, for sure, but I never feel back to normal. I haven't felt joy in 8 months man, haha, just shadows of what joy used to feel like. Almost joy.
So what I do is like half and half. I practice as many good health habits as my will power and energy allows (when I first started I was so dead of motivation and depressed that I didnt do very many at all. Now I do a lot, like a total health nut almost) and when I want to indulge I enjoy it.
I exercise most days. I eat healthy most days. I read books and do things I enjoy, etc. And if I'm feeling down and want a cup of coffee then I'll effing have one. Even if I feel pretty fucked up and miserable afterwards haha. I would rather have the LTC ruin my drugs of choice than take them away from me. Weed, alcohol, coffee, everything else, they have all been ruined by the LTC so I do them like 10x less now. I think its a good thing, I get to do them still, but they are so lame its easy to resist them and like I'm not addicted anymore.
If I start to do too much bad stuff and start to experience a decline in health then I go on a mini health spree (healthy eating only, sleeping well, exercise, meditation, etc) for a few days until I feel better.
No matter how many health practices you do, jogging, eating healthy, you won't feel normal until many many months down the road. My young friends say their recovery is as short as 5-7 months, mine (at 28 ) is starting to almost fade at 8 months, so expecting 9-10 months. 12 tops. Do as many health practices as you want but realize you are just making yourself suffer less. Don't expect to feel normal and you won't be let down. expect to feel kind of close to normal but a little bit off.
BTW I would suggest going to the therapist for talk therapy. I wouldn't suggest getting anti-depressants for another few months though, at the very least. From what I hear of them, people feel better but it just postpones their recovery. Like, they dont feel bad while on them, but when they get off their brain goes right back to where it was in terms of the LTC recovery and picks up from there.
I feel like taking anti-depressants during months 7 8 9 might be a good experiment. By that time a lot of the recovery would be done and the anti-depressants might give the brain a good refresher on what it means to be semi-normal again.
Oh and my personal experience, I haven't went to a regular doctor for this condition since it started but if I had the money I would have gone. from what I've read, there is nothing they can do to help you heal or recover, they can just put band-aids on you. Narcotic pills for your anxiety, anti-depressants or anti-psychotics for your mood. I would love to get my hands on some anti-anxiety because I just feel wrecked with anxiety but it's whatever, I'm recovering just fine without them. Like my recovery is brutal, difficult, and shitty, but whatever. Life can get mean like that sometimes. In terms of my actual recovery, I'm doing great, like my body is healing itself very well. In terms of how i experience my recovery, it's fucking brutal and almost every day is a struggle. As long as my body is recovering I don't care if I feel shitty or not. That is why I go without medication, because I feel it makes you feel less shitty but impedes your recovery, and for me personally getting my recovery done fast as possible is more important than enjoying it.
So what I do is like half and half. I practice as many good health habits as my will power and energy allows (when I first started I was so dead of motivation and depressed that I didnt do very many at all. Now I do a lot, like a total health nut almost) and when I want to indulge I enjoy it.
I exercise most days. I eat healthy most days. I read books and do things I enjoy, etc. And if I'm feeling down and want a cup of coffee then I'll effing have one. Even if I feel pretty fucked up and miserable afterwards haha. I would rather have the LTC ruin my drugs of choice than take them away from me. Weed, alcohol, coffee, everything else, they have all been ruined by the LTC so I do them like 10x less now. I think its a good thing, I get to do them still, but they are so lame its easy to resist them and like I'm not addicted anymore.
If I start to do too much bad stuff and start to experience a decline in health then I go on a mini health spree (healthy eating only, sleeping well, exercise, meditation, etc) for a few days until I feel better.
No matter how many health practices you do, jogging, eating healthy, you won't feel normal until many many months down the road. My young friends say their recovery is as short as 5-7 months, mine (at 28 ) is starting to almost fade at 8 months, so expecting 9-10 months. 12 tops. Do as many health practices as you want but realize you are just making yourself suffer less. Don't expect to feel normal and you won't be let down. expect to feel kind of close to normal but a little bit off.
BTW I would suggest going to the therapist for talk therapy. I wouldn't suggest getting anti-depressants for another few months though, at the very least. From what I hear of them, people feel better but it just postpones their recovery. Like, they dont feel bad while on them, but when they get off their brain goes right back to where it was in terms of the LTC recovery and picks up from there.
I feel like taking anti-depressants during months 7 8 9 might be a good experiment. By that time a lot of the recovery would be done and the anti-depressants might give the brain a good refresher on what it means to be semi-normal again.
Oh and my personal experience, I haven't went to a regular doctor for this condition since it started but if I had the money I would have gone. from what I've read, there is nothing they can do to help you heal or recover, they can just put band-aids on you. Narcotic pills for your anxiety, anti-depressants or anti-psychotics for your mood. I would love to get my hands on some anti-anxiety because I just feel wrecked with anxiety but it's whatever, I'm recovering just fine without them. Like my recovery is brutal, difficult, and shitty, but whatever. Life can get mean like that sometimes. In terms of my actual recovery, I'm doing great, like my body is healing itself very well. In terms of how i experience my recovery, it's fucking brutal and almost every day is a struggle. As long as my body is recovering I don't care if I feel shitty or not. That is why I go without medication, because I feel it makes you feel less shitty but impedes your recovery, and for me personally getting my recovery done fast as possible is more important than enjoying it.
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Lionheart90
Thank you for your input. Sorry you're going through all this. I myself feel like my mind has worked out the anxiety part (as long as I stay away from caffeine and alcohol) but now my mind seems to be focusing on the panicky part. Which is tiring as shit but hopefully the panic feelings will also be worked out by my brain. Not sure if this makes any sense. But that's how it feels to me. I'm just trying to deal with it the best I can. Hopefully the panic feeling will subside in time.
Thank you for your input. Sorry you're going through all this. I myself feel like my mind has worked out the anxiety part (as long as I stay away from caffeine and alcohol) but now my mind seems to be focusing on the panicky part. Which is tiring as shit but hopefully the panic feelings will also be worked out by my brain. Not sure if this makes any sense. But that's how it feels to me. I'm just trying to deal with it the best I can. Hopefully the panic feeling will subside in time.