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Does prayer work?

Mariposa420, you just contradicted yourself.
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I would very much like to believe in an omniscient, omnipresent being that watches over me for a benevolent purpose.
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If it is something that you would really like to believe, how then is it a hard decision.

Then you confirm my criticism of this statement by adding
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The evidence hasn't been persuasive enough, but I remain optimistic
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In other words believing isn't just a choice, its something that has to naturally add up and support itself in your own eyes. Something you admit you think it doesn't quite do.
 
works,but it wants consistency.prayers of some are more powerful...just like God can hear them...pure people some kind....prayer must keep evil away...prayer is a practise some sort...prayer exist in all religions from the time of pagan believes...and from personal experience i can tell-it works,but no always
 
Work in what sense? It helps me stay humble, keep perspective, be grateful for what I have, it helps me unshoulder certain burdens. Expecting a quit pro quo is not how I go about it.
 
Yes - in the sense people that pray are generally more healthy and less stressed out (ask for the link I'll retrieve it).

Scientifically -- I'm also going with yes

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6027017/ "The Power of Prayer on Plants" by Franklin Loehr are two of the more cited sources for such -- here's a summary I lifted --

This book is written by the founder of the Religious Research Foundation of America Inc. in an attempt to prove the scientific fundamentals of religion since the author who studied both felt there was a need to prove “there is reality in religion”. The studies used in this book and the concepts are so simplistic for today’s standards but, I am sure, they were ground breaking studies in their own time in 1959. (The book
I read was the second edition from 1969) The first part of the book is about the studies where the growth of the prayer and non-prayer plants are compared. The second part of the book is about the power of prayer and how to pray. In my opinion, a person’s belief system doesn’t need to be proven since it is based on faith. Also it is a known fact that any living being thrives when he or she is paid attention to, cared for, and loved and it doesn’t have anything to do with religion.

I could sware I remember a study about bread rising where the bread prayed over rose x% more often than the bread not prayed over

If you don't believe in faith do you believe in Observation Effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)

Could be a possible connection?
 
Does prayer work? If you believe prayer works for you I’m not here to tell you otherwise. Is god real? If you believe god is real, it’s not my place to tell you otherwise. Personally if god does exist I doubt his existence is anything like the Christian god in my opinion. I’ve had prayers answered however, I don’t attribute them to god per se it’s more like a cosmic request or concern that materialized based on want and need.
 
Cosmic request --- Prayer. Tomatoe Tomata? (That prolly wasn't worth posting)

Def not a quid pro quo deal but that'd be dope (ala Flanders on the Simpsons)
 
Does prayer work?


The world's religions got together a month ago to pray for peace. Has the planet seen any impact - and is there any evidence that praying works anyway?

There was certainly no shortage of good intentions, or of symbolism.

Just a month ago, the Pope led 200 religious leaders from round the world in prayers for peace.

The venue for this landmark occasion was Assisi - the place which, fittingly, gave the world St Francis and his prayer "Make me a channel of your peace".

And yet a month on, peace seems as elusive as ever. Dozens of Israelis and Palestinians have died. Worshippers at a Rawalpindi mosque have been gunned down. Fears of further conflict rose after President Bush spoke of an "axis of evil". Zimbabwe grows further from the world community.

The impact of the day of prayer is on the agenda in the House of Lords on Wednesday as crossbench peer Lord Hylton asks the government what conclusions it draws from the event.

It could scarcely conclude that prayers had been answered in any miraculous way. And it goes without saying that non-believers would not be surprised by that.

But for believers, whether there is any point in praying can be a complicated issue, crucially taking in two distinct aspects:

Can praying change "external" things, for example the weather?
Can it have an "internal" effect on the person who is doing the praying?
Believers can answer the latter point for themselves, but the former point is more open to debate.

Crude methods

Some of the first experiments to try to answer it came in the 1800s, when the worlds of science and religion began to eye each other uncomfortably.

The tests used crude methods, concluding for instance that prayer was proved by the long lifespans of royals - people who were much prayed for. These methods have been superseded by more rigorous trials.

But, remarkably, many modern tests have reached similar conclusions. Professor Leslie Francis of the University of Bangor has studied 31 experiments (conducted to the "highest professional standards") into the effectiveness of prayer.

The trials would typically take a group of hundreds of patients recovering from heart surgery, randomly divided into two groups, one of which is prayed for. None of the patients would know they were or weren't being prayed for.


It depends on God being an intervening God

David Laws
"The findings are quite staggering," he says. "Studies show that patients in hospital who are being prayed for (even when they do not know they are being prayed for) are more likely to recover."

But according to Dr David Laws of the University of Manchester the kind of prayer which asks God to do something is only relevant if you have a particular understanding of God.

"It depends on God being an intervening God who breaks into our world and mops up our mess whenever we make one."

That is a kind of God that Professor Francis says he would be uncomfortable with, since it raises questions that if God can intervene, why does he not do so to avoid more human suffering?

But former cancer patient Mary Ligertwood, from Milton Keynes, believes prayer did play a part in her recovery.

When she was found to have cancer in her breast, kidney and lymph gland at the age of 50, she was given a year to live. And yet within six months, she walked away free of the disease.



Mary Ligertwood
Now 13 years on, she puts her recovery down to a combination of the power of surgery - she had five operations - and the prayers of her friends. But she does not consider herself to have experienced a "miracle cure".

She does though consider it a miracle that the whole experience of diagnosis, surgery and recovery was for her such an enjoyable - and spiritual - one.

"Again and again, people visiting me in hospital would say: 'Why are you so happy?' For me it really was a very wonderful time... There was no element of fear there at all."

Peace prayers

The inner effect on praying people has a bearing on prayers for world peace such as those said at Assisi, says Dr Laws.

"For me it's not a matter of persuading God to do something, but of people praying for peace looking to become peaceful people. It starts with the internal effect and that, hopefully, will have an impact on the outside world."



I'm not surprised research shows an impact on people who are praying. But the studies also show an impact on people who are prayed for

Leslie Francis
Lord Hylton says the fact of the religious leaders praying together was a significant statement in itself, and one which has made its own contribution to a more peaceful world.

In particular, he says, a declaration the leaders made that their religions should not be used as pretexts for violence or wars could have a huge impact. He believes that even now, the religious leaders in the Middle East have become more inclined towards engaging with each other.

Professor Francis suggests that should another day of prayer for peace be organised, subsequent levels of fighting should be monitored, as should people's perceptions of peace.

Many religious people may feel however that having tangible proof is not really what prayer is about, and that - believe it or not - they rather enjoy simply believing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1844076.stm
how can there be peace when all of these religions are in conflict. they are at war with each other. Each of them beleives that if they dont believe i the same god they do then they are doomed to hell and so on and so forth.
 
^Only fools I think. I am catholic, last person that should say this but if you think YOUR GOD is THE GOD and other people worshipping other gods offends you -- you are a fool.
Most religious people (quite possibly including leaders) are not good examples of faith -- they have agenda's and priorities, "False Christians, Muslims, Jewish etc". Like that psycho politician actively trying to bring back the second coming of Christ.

True religion in my mind is not a lot more than treat others the way you would like to be treated and have faith there is SOME KIND of benevolent higher being -- that perhaps rewards such acts.

Which is hard to see when all the sociopaths rise to power and seem to have everything. I do not think they are happy people though.

The thought of any possibility of seeing those you lost grows a lot more endearing with age and acceptance you have a turn coming as well. (Check out the % of old people who have faith compared to young people)

I did present some studies that prayer has some scientific affects --- and if you don't wanna go with the god angle "Observation effect" allows plenty of room on the science side.
 
In my experience, prayer works. It's trust in God's power that does the work. We merely direct his power at a target and when our will is pure, it works almost mechanically.

I have been healed by others of various problems. My son prayed for me and my back pain went away instantly (the purity and faith of children).
I strive to pray for those around me who need it. Many times headache and minor pains can be prayed away easily. Longer-standing health problems are more difficult, because the person experiencing them believes in the reality of the pain a lot more.

But yes, on a local level, prayer is very effective. I think prayer for cities, countries and larger things also works, but it becomes an issue of free will and the mass effect of faith. Meaning if a lot of people in an area are evil, they are allowed to act out their own will, even if we pray against it.
 
Not in a sense where some supernatural being makes things happen in your favor. There's no actual proof or evidence for anything supernatural. And don't hand me that "God is everywhere and proof and evidence is everywhere" because it's NOWHERE. It's literally nothing outside of a human idea. It's made up. Let's not be dishonest about reality and the origins of the universe. At the end of the day, we don't know for certain, no need to making up nonsense and claim you know for certain. That's dishonest and delusional really. Credibility in zero when you do that...no matter how many other idiots believe that pink elephants can fly.. they can't.
 
Not in a sense where some supernatural being makes things happen in your favor. There's no actual proof or evidence for anything supernatural. And don't hand me that "God is everywhere and proof and evidence is everywhere" because it's NOWHERE. It's literally nothing outside of a human idea. It's made up. Let's not be dishonest about reality and the origins of the universe. At the end of the day, we don't know for certain, no need to making up nonsense and claim you know for certain. That's dishonest and delusional really. Credibility in zero when you do that...no matter how many other idiots believe that pink elephants can fly.. they can't.
lol you're totally wrong. god is everywhere because through observation you can see things like the marvel of the human body, the duality of life, the habitable zone etc. it's an obvious tailoring that denotes an intellectual engineering, not a big bang.... or whatever they say. you'd have to be a complete fool to think a random explosion happened (from nothing) and we ended up in this uber specific scenario because of it. a bang obviously did occur the way of the expansion of space, but perhaps god did it? the only counterarguement to the existence of god is that its ridiculous or the people are mental. you don't have to see direct evidence of something to understand it exists. does social intelligence dictate that people in the past, who en masse, participated in religious ceremony or sacrifice, and it was just bullshit? or what, people just agree to engage in a psychosis together? have you witnessed any of this in your human experience? you haven't seen god like you probably haven't seen a lion or stingray in real life but i don't suppose anybody is rushing to say their existence is ridiculous. people are just stupid and selfish and assume that because you don't see a literal physical god before you its not there, and if my prayer isn't answered, he's not there. it's a free will world, meaning i am technically permitted to harm you if i want to. it doesn't mean a hand of god is going to swoop down to stop it. if you're going to not be "dishonest and delusional", then if you don't know for certain, you shouldn't cast judgement that if they believe in god they must also see pink elephants
 
lol you're totally wrong. god is everywhere because through observation you can see things like the marvel of the human body, the duality of life, the habitable zone etc. it's an obvious tailoring that denotes an intellectual engineering, not a big bang.... or whatever they say. you'd have to be a complete fool to think a random explosion happened (from nothing) and we ended up in this uber specific scenario because of it. a bang obviously did occur the way of the expansion of space, but perhaps god did it? the only counterarguement to the existence of god is that its ridiculous or the people are mental. you don't have to see direct evidence of something to understand it exists. does social intelligence dictate that people in the past, who en masse, participated in religious ceremony or sacrifice, and it was just bullshit? or what, people just agree to engage in a psychosis together? have you witnessed any of this in your human experience? you haven't seen god like you probably haven't seen a lion or stingray in real life but i don't suppose anybody is rushing to say their existence is ridiculous. people are just stupid and selfish and assume that because you don't see a literal physical god before you its not there, and if my prayer isn't answered, he's not there. it's a free will world, meaning i am technically permitted to harm you if i want to. it doesn't mean a hand of god is going to swoop down to stop it. if you're going to not be "dishonest and delusional", then if you don't know for certain, you shouldn't cast judgement that if they believe in god they must also see pink elephants
Whatever you say . You attach the supernatural to everything in hopes it lends validity and credibility to something that's otherwise not backed by proof or evidence. Epic fail. "God" is nowhere and nothing but a human idea. You don't need to try and glue everything together. That's absolutely ridiculous and pointless. The last thing some of you need is other people validating your fallacious and distorted ideas, poor logic and reason, and absurd assertions. That's something a bad parent does to a kid.
 
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