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Does Piracetam Make Acid THIS much stronger?

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From erowid experience vault:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=9126
Once again, my tolerance to LSD is rather high, and my normal dosage is 10 to 20 hits, followed by as many in a few hours. LSD is by far my favorite and most frequently used substance, however I do not use it as a party drug, I prefer to use it as a door-to-another-dimension-trance-inducing-out-of-body-experience-god-awakening-turning-myself-into-input-sponge sacrament. The first time I used LSD with Piracetam, I only had 4 hits of blotter left, and was unable to obtain more. So I took a single dose of 2400 mg of Piracetam and followed in 2 hours with my modest reserve of LSD. In 15(!!!!!!!) minutes I began to feel the trip, as a tsunami wave swallowing me In 1-2 more minutes, I was looking at my hands as they became transparent and disappeared. I was gone: for the next 50,000,000 years (or 10 hours) to the sound of Allure, Van Buuren and Camaya Painters I was flying at light speed through the universe, seeing galaxies and insides of cells, flying along DNA of T-rex, traveling through time, reading some ancient accounting books with regard to transactions in cattle among 17th century farmers, confessing my love to my girlfriend, stopping the motor of the world (as John Galt) and laughing at founding fathers, desperately trying to make a candy out of pile of shit. My girlfriend, who wasn't tripping, later told me that I was doing things, like making pizza, coffee, smoking, yet whenever she would ask me something, she would immediately realize how far I was gone.

As I began to come back, we went to the lake, then to walk in the forest. I was feeling so wonderful, so happy. In 12 more hours I went to sleep, woke up after 3 hours, refreshed, fully functional, attended all of my appointments for the very busy day and retired in front of the TV, watching Beavis and Butthead. It was one of the deepest trips I have ever been on. And the happiest one. I have repeated this experience many times since, in different surroundings, and details were different as well. Yet all of Piracetam + LSD trips had one thing in common -- they were profoundly powerful, although LSD dosage was 1/4 to 1/2 of what I usually take without Piracetam.
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I know piracetam does increase the effects of some psychedelics, but I had no idea it could do it to this degree. This happened on 4 hits of blotter and 2400mg piracetam. This experience seems way intense for only 4 hits....unless they were extremely potent.

My question is, does piracetam greatly and positively increase the effects of LSD (and MDMA) like this guy said? Is it just a little boost, or does it really potentiate it that much (the report seemed VERY intense)?

Can anyone help me out? I'm in the USA so I have never really seen piracetamol at the store. Is there a different name for it here maybe? Where would I obtain it? If it increases the effects of psychedelics quite significantly, is it worth investing in an amount of piracetamol? So you can trip harder from lower doses?

Or is this not really well proven or studied?.....anyone?
 
In regards to the MDMA part of your question, though I've never taken piracetam with MDMA, my experience indicates that piracetam increases the euphoria of amphetamines (as well as regular old caffeine and things like 1,3-dimethylamylamine.) The increase is significant, but nothing like the Erowid report indicates. Because of the way in enhances amphetamines, I'd expect it's influence on phenethylamine and amphetamine psychedelics to be greater than on LSD. If it potenitiated LSD as much as the report indicates for the typical user, I'd think we would have heard more about it by now. My guess is that the writer is an atypical case or that he had poorly laid blotters with higher concentrations of LSD on the paper wherever his last 4 hits came from (e.g. the edge where LSD may have accidentally pooled)--as compared to the previous hits they mention they had.

Piracetam is cheap and easy to find and purchase over the internet, just search for "piracetam".
 
it certainly boosts LSA (HBWR) from slightly altered colours to flowing patterns appearing across my entire visual field, massive tracers, i finally found out why people look at mirrors on acid, wow.

MDMA becomes much more clear headed, i find i am more in touch with the effects. I become less "Fucked up" and more pure and lovey.

Never tried acid before but given my piracetam/LSA combos i wouldnt be too surprised by that erowid report
 
^Would this happen with a daily user of piracetam? I'm not one, just curious.
 
Doesn't sound like it in the example case to me. Sounded like the individual had used that batch before.
 
In my experience, piracetam does indeed potentiate psychedelics and MDMA to the degree that the erowid report describes. 2 to 3 fold increase in potency is about right, but one must remember that dose-response curves for psychedelics are pretty steep at the lower levels of dosage. That is to say that piracetam might make 100 mcg of LSD feel like 300 mcg, and 300 mcg of lsd feel like 900 (a 3-fold increase), but subjectively, the difference between 300 mcg and 900 mcg is FAR greater than 100 mcg and 300 mcg.

The dose of piracetam definitely matters as well; 2400 mg is a high dose (same dose you would use as an "attack" dose on the first day of a piracetam regimen, followed by daily doses of 800 - 1200 mg). Piracetam is also remarkably safe in really high doses (IIRC, 9 grams even is very well tolerated).

If you have never used piracetam for the potentiation of say LSD, psilocybian shrooms, or MDMA, try a dose around 800 mg, NOT 2.4 g, and take 1/4 of your usual dose of drug X. Piracetam makes shit WAY WAY WAY intense. It's true. It gives regular life a nice high def, all-pervasive force type of feel. :)
 
Come to think of it, I have used LSD with piracetam. I used over 2g of it on top of 15mg of aMT (IM) and ~75ug of LSD. There was a notable change in the body euphoria but no substantial increases in psychedelia. Maybe it would've been a different story had I taken the piracetam first? Most reports of potentiation involve taking the piracetam first if I recall correctly.
 
I've combined Piracetam with LSD 5 times now and each time have been let down by the effects of it, not the LSD. The LSD was great and I had taken this particular WOW unperfed many times by itself and then decided to combine with Piracetam to see what all the fuss was about. Some people report huge 3 fold increases in potency as posted above but all I noticed was a slight increase in clarity and a little more energy than I normally would have, besides that the trips were the same as before, superb. But in any event try it out and see how it works for you, the worst that could happen is that you have a nice nootropic on your shelf.
 
My guess is that the writer is an atypical case or that he had poorly laid blotters with higher concentrations of LSD on the paper wherever his last 4 hits came from (e.g. the edge where LSD may have accidentally pooled)--as compared to the previous hits they mention they had.
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I thought this might have been the case.
In my experience, piracetam does indeed potentiate psychedelics and MDMA to the degree that the erowid report describes. 2 to 3 fold increase in potency is about right, but one must remember that dose-response curves for psychedelics are pretty steep at the lower levels of dosage. That is to say that piracetam might make 100 mcg of LSD feel like 300 mcg, and 300 mcg of lsd feel like 900 (a 3-fold increase), but subjectively, the difference between 300 mcg and 900 mcg is FAR greater than 100 mcg and 300 mcg.

The dose of piracetam definitely matters as well; 2400 mg is a high dose (same dose you would use as an "attack" dose on the first day of a piracetam regimen, followed by daily doses of 800 - 1200 mg). Piracetam is also remarkably safe in really high doses (IIRC, 9 grams even is very well tolerated).

If you have never used piracetam for the potentiation of say LSD, psilocybian shrooms, or MDMA, try a dose around 800 mg, NOT 2.4 g, and take 1/4 of your usual dose of drug X. Piracetam makes shit WAY WAY WAY intense. It's true. It gives regular life a nice high def, all-pervasive force type of feel.
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So, different people experience different effects/potentiation. One question I have for you guys is -- if it does increase the effects (not even 3fold necessarily, just any amount at all), does it increase the positive effects? Like, does it add/elevate any element of discomfort or negative side effects during the trip? Or is it really a truly positive potentiation/synergy? Like, it wouldn't make me MORE anxious or MORE uncomfortable, instead of increasing the positive psychedelic euphoria? Or does it simply just increase all the effects of the psychedelic (this would be cool)?

Also, I have never taken piracetam before and am not a daily user. What are its effects? Is it psychoactive on its own, at all? And if I'm not a daily user, around what dose should I take before a psychedelic to potentiate it? Also, approximately how many hours before dosing should I take it? I know 2400mg is a lot, so I would probably want to take like 800mg? Or what do you guys think (if I'm just using it once)? Also, it's not one of those compounds that you have to use daily for the effects to become apparent, is it? I could just dose paracetamol one day, and it would potentiate a psychedelic (if that's what it does, possibly)?
 
the use of any nootropic to potentiate psychedelics is not, ahem, a smart move. as noted above the potentiation varies cross the board - one of the 'cetams proposed mechanisms of action is disinhibition of VC neuronal firing threshold and increase in inter-corpus callossum information transfer, as such, there would indeed be strong variance in subjective responses.

personally, i have found that in general, piracetam is indeed a powerful potentiator for most psychs and this is not necessarily a good thing, as the experience is altered significantly in most ways; bring along you passport, foil helmet and shark repellent as you may find yourself in deep and unfamiliar waters alright.

specifically, piracetam and n,n,DMT dont get along in my experience, contrary to expectations, the trips were notedly darker, weirder and less lucid.

also, from data gathered from experiments predating availability of published information on interactions, i cannot urge you strongly enough to please avoid using any irreversible MAOI to potentiate psychs and especially any of the 2C / DO series, lest you place little value on your health and sanity.
 
My few experiences with LSD and Piracetam have been certainly interesting.

On about 1.25 doses of some average 80ug lavender crystal blotter.. so maybe like 110ug all together.. I had a very deep soul cleansing experience where this Aloe plant turned into some kind of healing entity and spirals started shooting out of it directly into my brain where it began its healing transformations.

I did however find the trip to be a little more manic in my mind and somewhat harder edged than LSD is by itself. As such, I haven't intentionally repeated this combination since. I would rather just take some extra LSD.

IMO Piracetam has maybe a 50% increase on MDMA, depending how long ago you took it and what dose you took. A 3-fold exponentiation? Far from it in my case. As for amphetamines... well I have lots of experience mixing these two years ago. My feeling is that it adds slightly to the euphoria and can prolong the peak effects a couple hours. I never noticed that it made me feel like I took a much higher dose.

Also IMO Piracetam mixes best with Cannabis of all drugs. It adds some clarity and sense of wonder to the experience, as well as a bit more euphoria. A must-try for musicians.
 
^I not sure anything has been comprehensively verified about it (there is a B&D Piracetam thread, FYI.) My experience indicates it is definitely a mental stimulant, though that doesn't necessarily mean that stimulation results in enhanced functioning in any mental domain (memory, processing speed, reaction time, etc.). I consider it worth its low price simply for its mood-elevating and drug potentiating effects, though.
 
Reliable and detailed information on piracetam as a psych potentiator is sparse. I can only find bits and pieces of information on this board.

Does one need to take piracetam daily to get the potentiation or can the just do a one-time high attack dose before they take the psych? I was under the impression that it took several weeks for piracetam to begin to make a noticeable difference.
 
I didn't think I felt piracetam on the first few days, but then after a week of taking it and noticing the small changes to sober life and sometimes big changes to high life I defiantly could say it was working on the first day looking back.
 
Yeah, piracetam is subtle but at the same time very evident in its effects. I definitely started noticing it pretty quickly though. In retrospect, I could notice a change the first time I took it (at an attack dose of 2400-3600mg), but I wasn't sure how to utlize it until I had used it for at least a week or so.

As far as potentiation, if you want to go that route, a single dose about an hour before should do the trick.
 
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