Does mood, mindset and/or attitude affect your roll on MDMA?

[DriedBeans]

Before anything else, I'd just like to mention that I am brand new here and this is my first post - I apologise if any of these questions have been answered already in existing threads. (I have searched very hard already but I am still looking for clear cut answers)

So a couple of months back, my friend's cat started to get into MDMA and Ecstasy.. He's had many many great rolls over time - going out to clubs, spending the night with his girlfriend.. and even going to the movies with friends. Double drops in particular have always hit especially hard with an amazing roll.. However, lately it's come to his attention that any time he overthinks the drug or anticipates the roll, it just never comes or hits a lot less harder than usual.

For example, two of the best rolls he's ever had were when he completely forgot he had even taken the MDMA - both times he was very distracted by what was going on before realising it had hit him full bore.

He understands that there are a number of variables that play a part in how good the roll is - the purity / quality of the drug, the dosage, the administration, had he eaten before hand etc. however, these factors never seem to add up when it comes to when he's had a good roll or not.. and it doesn't seem to be discussed as to whether just his mindset, or maybe the thought of "being attached to the outcome of a good roll" could actually hinder it completely.. now, while it seems completely ridiculous to him that thoughts could actually affect a roll.. there seems to be no other explanation from his point of view. Could negative thoughts, nervousness, anxiety over anticipation etc. cause some sort of physical, mental or chemical block to the effects of MDMA?

There have been times he has taken mdma on a full stomach where it has hit the same if not harder than that on an absolutely empty stomach just because of his mindset at the time.. even mdma from the same dealer has hit twice as hard with the same dosage when he doesn't care and isn't anxiously anticipating the roll / thinking when will it hit / how hard will it hit / if it will hit at all.. does nervousness / anxiety somehow block the release of seratonin or desensitize him to the roll in some way? Is there a variable affecting his roll that he's forgotten or missed?

The most recent example...

About a week ago he went out with some friends.. he popped his first cap on an empty stomach around 8pm at a friend's house (about 3 hours before they went out) but kept checking the time to make sure it would hit.. shortly after, he started feeling buzzy but nothing crazy.. note: the friend's mum doesn't like mdma or ecstasy so there was constant worry / nervousness / anxiety in the back of his mind and he spent alot of time anticipating the roll so he could avoid the mum when it hit - however.. no good roll at all, very light tingling and a little bit of happiness, was slightly more talkative than usual but nothing like he was expecting.. was very dissapointed that he'd wasted an entire cap for that..

A few hours later at around 11 (by which point he couldn't even feel the effects of the first capsule) he went out with his friends to the club, he grabbed a drink and knocked the second capsule down and completely forgot about it.. probably because he was having great fun already at the club.. he didn't look at the time once, didn't anticipate the roll, completely carefree about whether it hit or not and didn't think about it once.. then before he knew it, it hit him like a brick wall - extreme empathy and euphoria, sprinted to the dancefloor and spent hours dancing, talking to people and having what felt like the best night of his life..

Another time he double dropped on the way out to the clubs with two friends (who weren't drinking), just to have a good time. When they got out and realised it was dead quiet they decided to stay for only an hour or so then leave as it was a waste of time. He knew it was a waste of the MDMA but, being a double drop, would inevitably hit him hard and he'd have a great night anyway.. but then he started counting down the minutes and anticipating the roll.. after about half an hour he started to get worried and nervous that it wouldn't hit and his night wasn't going to get better like he had hoped.. when it did hit it was only a mild buzz and tingling with almost no other noticeable effects.. at the time it almost felt like it had been suppressed or blocked by his state of mind / the dullness of that night. On the way home he did notice that music in the car sounded great, but other than that short car journey the night was basically a massive joke - and the two capsules he'd wasted.

So the question is.. could mindset really have had such a huge impact on MDMA? Should he avoid using it in a situation where anxiety / nervousness or anticipation could cause a block to the roll? Is he just imagining all this or could this be factual..

The best way to put it is - he only has great rolls when he feels he doesn't need to or doesn't care.. (when he forgets about it because he's having fun or is distracted or when he is carefree about the outcome). Any time he's truly relying on the MDMA for a good night, or anticipating when it hits... it often doesn't..

Can anyone give him some opinions or some closure? Is there another variable as to why the MDMA only hits well under certain circumstances? Dosages don't seem to be the issue.. nor does stomach contents (based on past experience) and he knows that most if not all of the MDMA he has taken is pure so rule that out.. is there something else, really stupid that he doesn't know about? I've heard some people say that movement / dancing can trigger the roll, could it be something as simple as that?

Sorry for the long read, he hopes he got his point across - really looking to get some answers hopefully or some closure because he feels like he's wasting a lot of MDMA and he's not sure why - mindset seems to be the only factor that could be affecting it.



Too Long Didn't Read: Why does MDMA seem to hit me the hardest when I'm carefree or distracted - whenever I become anxious or nervous from anticipating the roll, it seems to block itself off and doesn't hit as hard? Does mindset / attitude really affect a roll?

 

[JWills20]

Hi there,

First of all we don't use any of the 'SWIM, pet cat, gerbil, hamster' etc bullshit here. It provides no legal cover and is plain irritating. You're perfectly fine to talk about all the actions you do in first person.

Could negative thoughts, nervousness, anxiety over anticipation etc. cause some sort of physical, mental or chemical block to the effects of MDMA?

Yes most definitely.

does nervousness / anxiety somehow block the release of seratonin or desensitize him to the roll in some way? Is there a variable affecting his roll that he's forgotten or missed?

It's tough to relate any of this stuff back to the neurotransmitter level. We don't know if nervousness/anxiety changes the serotonin release. I'd say that the serotonin release is likely to be the same. What's more likely is that you're affecting the overall neurochemical balance. Everytime we think we activate neural circuits involved in that process. So, if you're anxious and activating that circuit it might inhibit MDMA's ability to block that circuit clouding the experience. I know from my experiences that MDMA is often about 'breaking through' and accepting the drugs effects, which is what anxiety might stop from occurring.

note: the friend's mum doesn't like mdma or ecstasy so there was constant worry / nervousness / anxiety in the back of his mind and he spent alot of time anticipating the roll so he could avoid the mum when it hit

I'd say this was your problem. As I just mentioned, sometimes to get the best out of MDMA you have to let go and accept what it's going to do to you. Trying to hide it and appear sober goes against everything MDMA does so beautifully which might explain why you didn't get much out of it. I'd never roll in an environment where others aren't or where I feel I'd be judged (for instance, a drunk club is never really a good idea). MDMA is best when there's lots of like-minded people sharing the experiences together.

Is there a variable affecting his roll that he's forgotten or missed?

Are you certain that you're taking MDMA? There's lots of copycat chemicals out there. The only way to know is to use a test kit. Secondly, in your first story you took one cap followed by another. The first cap would still be in your system by the second one. So, it might not have been the anxiety but simply you didn't take enough until the second one hit and then sent you flying. I've had that experience too.

I've heard some people say that movement / dancing can trigger the roll, could it be something as simple as that?

I pull funny faces and silly dance moves which triggers the heavy 'tingling' sensations of euphoria. It certainly doesn't hinder your chances of rolling .

 

[Kl519]

Mindset is definitely a factor. Have you ever been in a situation where your roll was killed? Seems like it. That is directly based on how you are feeling at the time. There are even bad trips possible on mdma, where all of it depends on your emotion because mdma will exacerbate your negative or positive feelings and thoughts.

Anything can trigger a roll, whether it be internal or external stimuli, or both. Happy thoughts, or if someone tells you something that makes you happy counts as internal stimuli, and dancing or light shows count as external stimuli.

I guess that old adage is true; follow your own advice and don't anticipate the roll. Usually, there is a sweet spot for how much you need to have a good roll, as long as you don't abuse mdma and space out your rolls for at least a month to 3 months. Realistically, a lot of people probably don't space it out that much, like non BlueLighters, so even if it's 2 weeks just space it out as much as you can. Re-dosing is fine if it's on the same trip and if you don't take like a gram or something.

This is a topic with lots of variables. Mdma isn't well documented in vitro concerning human usage, so anxiety can lessen the roll or increase it. I've experienced both happen before, and I can't explain why. But definitely keep yourself occupied with whatever you're doing, like when you're going out focus on what's going on in your environment instead of yourself. That'll help you not anticipate and worry about when the roll hits, because that'll for sure weaken the experience.

 

[DriedBeans]

Hi there,

First of all we don't use any of the 'SWIM, pet cat, gerbil, hamster' etc bullshit here. It provides no legal cover and is plain irritating. You're perfectly fine to talk about all the actions you do in first person.

Sorry man , wasn't sure how it all worked - and I didn't see anything mentioned in the "read before posting" rules. I agree, it seems quite pointless and annoying but I was just being safe.

And thanks so much for the replies, everything you've both said seems really accurate to me, the idea that you've really got to have the mindset of 'letting go' for it to do its work and breakthrough into a good roll. It's almost like you've got to subconsciously give the drug permission to do its job.. So when I was at my friend's house with her mum, subconsciously I was actually fighting it, I'm sure this must have been why it didn't break into a good roll at the time.

@Kl519, Thanks for the advice! I'll definitely do my best to avoid anticipating the roll - although it can sometimes be difficult due to excitement for a good roll.. Like you said, it's probably best to keep yourself completely occupied so there's no chance of your thoughts getting in the way. At least for me that will have to be the case, I know some people can just drop MDMA and sit on their couch until it hits - that just wouldn't work for me, I get too excited in anticipation which would only lead to anxiety and nervousness and, in turn, hinder it for me. Hopefully i'll be able to train myself to become more relaxed and carefree before a roll, but until then i'll just have to keep my mind distracted whenever I drop. Maybe smoking some weed after dropping would help alleviate this issue if I'm in a quiet setting?

I'd never have thought, when I first got into MDMA, that something as simple as my thoughts would have an effect on my rolls.. but I'm glad I decided to post and get some opinions on the matter. Really appreciate the replies, it's given me a lot of closure. I'll be able to use MDMA far more effectively now and won't be blaming myself for bad rolls

I'd still love to hear what anyone else has to say on the matter!

 

[augustaB]

For the record the state of your stomach will not greatly affect your roll.
Okay an empty stomach will mean that the drug will be more quickly absorbed and you will come up faster, but a good high carb meal three hours before your roll will mean that you will have more serotonin available to make you high.
Emotional state will have an impact, although my experience is that the pre-existing emotional state is usually completely forgotten by the 2nd hour into the roll.
Don't overthink the experience just let it come to you and go with the flow.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I think that it depends on dose. One of my least favorite things about MDMA is that high doses FORCE you to be happy. Even when you should be pissed, hurt, etc. High doses of MDMA have never failed, even when I was anticipating them, to fuck me up. Either it overwhelms the receptors that my apprehension would normally block from reacting or its just too much to handle and breaks through. I've taken 200mg of clean, tested MDMA and had a whole bunch of drama follow right after to the point I was almost in a fist fight with a roommate, was smoking a cigarette and BAM! Fucking hit me and I went and apologized even though I didn't mean it, its ridiculous.

So its dose dependent. Very much so. 120mg would have been wasted and I'd be lucky to even get tingles.

NOTE: That was MY tolerance at the time. 200mg is a LOT of MDMA for someone not tolerant... I had been abusing every week to every other week and using methylone and mephedrone inbetween which are cross-tolerant. Don't go drop 200mg of MDMA to avoid not getting high... Please.

 

[Kl519]

Haha, I've had something like that happen too. I apologized to someone that I didn't even like, and then after the roll was done I wondered why I even talked to the guy. I didn't even do anything to him either. But it made me too empathetic, to the point where it made no sense or it just came out on its own.

That was in the beginning of my uses though.

But yeah, driedbeans, mindset is important for mdma. Well, I'm sure it varies, but for me and others I knew it certainly mattered a lot. And yeah, lol, I mean if you take a high dose then you'll be rolling balls no matter what. But if you find your sweet spot, don't worry and just take mdma for a ride, wherever you're going or whatever you're doing. Smoking weed will make the mdma psychedelic and increase/bring back your roll. It might relax you, but it's more likely to make you trip harder.

 

[severely etarded]

Yes it does, buy a test kit if you're uncertain what you're taking