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Does LSD have a ceiling effect?

Should the question be "Whats pass ego loss?" I would think there would be a point where you couldn't tell the difference.
 
Ha there's another perennial question. It's been discussed plenty of times and I haven't found a satisfying consensus.

I have my own explanation though that shows why both sides are true: there is AND isn't a ceiling effect. Basically why that can be true may be because LSD acts on so many different receptors, that all contribute to effects in different ways.
While I have never had anything over 800 (confirmed) micrograms myself it seems to me like there is something non-linear about the dose-effect relation, that I have already felt from different doses up to that 800: at increasing doses it feels like there is a threshold, once you get past it it may feel like a point of no return... while some parts of the experience get more extreme another part of it actually flattens out. How do I put this... it's like how people say about DMT that if you take enough there is no real room left to fear the intensity and be overwhelmed. Beyond that, it just is. Similarly I believe that you can get completely turned 'ON' by acid at very high doses but still notice a difference when the dose is even higher than that.

Returning to the different receptors: I don't know the different functions of all effected and don't know how far exactly this is elucidated... though I'm confident that we are lacking a whole lot of understanding there.
But if some receptor activity is saturated causing a partial ceiling effect while other receptors do not have saturated activity then it seems like the question only allowing a yes or no is dissolved in a way.

Very open to comments on this of course. :)
 
I know that Grof claims there IS a dosage ceiling and I would trust his opinion on this considering he has done more legitimate research dosing people than anyone else I can think of.
 
yes, but trust me in that it is pretty high in comparison to average amounts taken.

If you want to push it further, at that kind of level of tripping face, the tiniest amount of ketamine would probably push you over if you were still really "here".... Wouldn't want to think about what sort of state this would produce. I have done K on a pretty substantial amount of acid and it was crazier than DMT. It wasn't a bad trip, but it was on another level of intense, i thought i died....

Ive kind of wondered what it would be like to do like a 60mg amount of ketamine and then hit a pipe with some DMT in it as soon as you start to feel the effects of the K.
 
In_A_Transit said:
Should the question be "Whats pass ego loss?" I would think there would be a point where you couldn't tell the difference.
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Multiple splitting of egos dying and being reborn at the same time, increasing exponentially? :p

Beats me haha, but I suppose as long as your aware of time, there's always more happening, and less...
 
In_A_Transit said:
Should the question be "Whats pass ego loss?" I would think there would be a point where you couldn't tell the difference.
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The void....

A great expanse of nothingness. you don't exist in any tangible form, you just are.

That being said. The high dose acid experience is in my opinion a potentially rewarding experience, it can be productive.... Ive seen some powerful hallucinogens rock more than a thousand people and it becomes society without an ego.
 
jamaica0535 said:
yes, but trust me in that it is pretty high in comparison to average amounts taken.

If you want to push it further, at that kind of level of tripping face, the tiniest amount of ketamine would probably push you over
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I agree. This also doesn't dedicate you to that level of intensity for so many hours.

As far as a ceiling, I really don't see how one would be able to tell the difference between 1,000 ug and 1,200 ug, mainly due to memory impairment. From talking to a few people, I had the understanding that there was a ceiling and after that the more you take just adds to the length of the trip.

I just don't know what is past the point where every thing turns into an Alex Grey drawing and your vision is so full of visuals that you can't identify simple objects.

What is the longest you have tripped or seen some one trip on LSD from ONE initial dose? ie. get puddled or thumb print and don't take any further drugs.

Thanks Guys! =D
 
I believe i've read the ceiling dose to be somewhere after but not far after 2mg or 2000 mics, after that the tendency is just catatonia and wacky muscle movements for days/hours at a time until you come down.

somewhere in the thumbprint dose range :D

to my knowledge.
 
There's definately a ceiling to the effects the LSD has. I don't think it's particularly high either.
There's no ceiling to the placebo effect tho - so if you give someone a big dose and tell them it's their standard dose they might think "This has hit pretty hard" but still deal with it ok. But if you give someone a big dose and tell them "This is the biggest dose anyone has ever had" then you introduce a whole other set of placebomine variables.
 
Tromps said:
Multiple splitting of egos dying and being reborn at the same time, increasing exponentially? :p
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Sounds almost like what I was actually experiencing during my 30 mgs NBOMe-2C-B overdose. That actually proved the ceiling level of effects to exist, for NBOMe-2C-B of course. But this doesn't deny acid from having a saturation level you are speculating about as well. I think I've heard the ceiling level for acid was actually found at the times most proper for such discovery - in the sixties.

Upon experimenting with NBOMe-2C-B in high doses (like 4 mgs) later I have found them to be not really far in their intensity from the 30 mgs trip.
 
I just read yesterday on here somewhere about the saturation level of LSD being between 1.5-2 mg. Another words, if you dose more than that, it just floats around in your system while you do not get any higher. Rather you just trip longer. I am trying to find this post and will link to it if I do.

So after 1.5 - 2 mg, there is no added benefit, I would call this a "ceiling dose".
 
I've eaten so much I couldn't do anything. Even get a whole sentence out, never been able to trip harder than that even upon taking way more. But talk about an interesting experience lol
 
Noddy Boy said:
I just read yesterday on here somewhere about the saturation level of LSD being between 1.5-2 mg. Another words, if you dose more than that, it just floats around in your system while you do not get any higher. Rather you just trip longer. I am trying to find this post and will link to it if I do.

So after 1.5 - 2 mg, there is no added benefit, I would call this a "ceiling dose".
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I've taken 1mg+ and i'm not even that experienced in the world of psychedelics (done high doses of multiple substances but i just don't really LIKE em :P)

I was at nowhere near the mad experiences i have read about.

Thumb print?
 
Entheogenic said:
I know that Grof claims there IS a dosage ceiling and I would trust his opinion on this considering he has done more legitimate research dosing people than anyone else I can think of.
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ive heard ram dass talk about a ceiling effect as well.. i was under the impression that its an established fact that there is a ceiling effect.
 
IME at a certain point you are really just adding to duration. I've had a few >1mg doses, the highest being about 10mg (though this wasn't all at once, so tolerance/receptor downregulation may have played a factor), and the only real differences after you get much above 1mg are mostly, IMO, due to duration. With very extended duration things get weirder because of sleep deprivation, fatigue, extended stay in weird mental space etc. Though it is hard to really compare high dose trips because they are so incredibly strange every time.
 
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