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Opioids does lower tolerance mean less withdrawal?

Wolfmans_BrothEr

Wolfmans_BrothEr

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For example if my friend needs to take twice as much heroin as me in order to get high, will his wd b worse/longer/more extreme simply b.c he has higher tolerance?
 
Could do with some more info rd o give you correct advice. Altho if all things are equal between you and your friend ie. Amount of time you have done heroin and have regularly you dose. Then his greater tolerance could be down to a quirk of body chemistry and wont have any effect on the withdrawal. Having said that if his tolerance has risen rapidly from a dose equal to yours in the beginning then he could be in for a much rougher time in withdrawal. Either way its pretty fucking miserable trying to kick smack, maybe some sort of other opiate aided taper might help eg methdone. If you have futher questions or want more clarification then drop me a pm and ill see what hard facts I can dig up for you.
 
Also you might a better variety of replies if you fill out the post a little and post it in the darkside forum. People there are going thru or have gone thru opiate withdrawal and can give good advice.
 
Your post is in the right place. OD is where topics like this are covered.

As far as your question... in short, yes. Somebody detoxing off of a large heroin habit will have a much harder time than somebody detoxing off of a smaller one. That's why it is always recommended to ween down as much as you can before beginning a kick. How long ones been using is also a big factor.
 
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Apologies, I didnt mean that to sound like I was telling the OP that it was in the wrong forum, I just thought it might get more or better replies in Darkside for the reasons I stated. I defo wasnt trying to do a mods job.lol id have thought withdrawal and tolererence would be affected by more then size of dose and length of habit. Wouldnt body weight and general health also factor in? As well as quality of the substance used(to a smaller degree). im not trying to be confrontational in anyway, just genuinely interested myself as heroin isnt my particular opiate of choice.
 
bunge said:
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Apologies, I didnt mean that to sound like I was telling the OP that it was in the wrong forum, I just thought it might get more or better replies in Darkside for the reasons I stated. I defo wasnt trying to do a mods job.lol id have thought withdrawal and tolererence would be affected by more then size of dose and length of habit. Wouldnt body weight and general health also factor in? As well as quality of the substance used(to a smaller degree). im not trying to be confrontational in anyway, just genuinely interested myself as heroin isnt my particular opiate of choice.
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Body weight isn't a factor. Tolerance is a big deal.. it's an incredibly powerful thing. We were just talking about this in another thread. There are tons of 90 pound girls out there shooting 3 grams a day. Body weight is pretty irrelevant. Health is an aspect too, yes. I mean.. if you are just generally unhealthy or have some kind of immune system problem or something, than that could definitely make your withdrawal worse.

But, lets assume that we have two people who are of the same health, getting the same quality of heroin, same body weight, and they've been using for the same amount of time.. we'll say 2 years straight in this case. However, one person was shooting 3 grams a day and the other was only shooting 1 gram. The person with the bigger habit is going to have a much rougher time than the one with the smaller habit. His body is used to a much larger amount of the drug.. his brain relies on it to such a huge degree and in such a huge amount that when he stops using.. it's brutal. The other person will still have a bad kick too, but nowhere near as bad as the person doing 3 grams a day. If that person was to ween down though to the 1 gram habit... their withdrawals would be much more similar in terms of general severity.

And this doesn't just go for heroin. It goes for all opiates. The more of it you do and the longer you do it for, the worse your withdrawals will be.
 
Thanks for the clarification on that, what your saying is pure common sense I think I just had hold of the wrong end of the handle and over-complicated the issue.:-D 90 pounds and banging 3 gram a day? I had no idea how large a tolerence people could get too. I guess im lucky in that im rx'ed opiates for pain but my tolerance has not really risen in over 2 years. I thought that was in part because of my low body weight but other factors must weigh in more (no pun intended.lol).
 
bunge said:
Thanks for the clarification on that, what your saying is pure common sense I think I just had hold of the wrong end of the handle and over-complicated the issue.:-D 90 pounds and banging 3 gram a day? I had no idea how large a tolerence people could get too. I guess im lucky in that im rx'ed opiates for pain but my tolerance has not really risen in over 2 years. I thought that was in part because of my low body weight but other factors must weigh in more (no pun intended.lol).
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Yeah it's pretty crazy. You'd be amazed at how much heroin or any other drug for that matter, the human body can handle given enough time. Tolerance is serious.. within just a few short months of daily use.. It's totally not unreasonable to see someones habit double, triple, or even go further. Forget about after years of constant use. It's wild.
 
of course! tolerance is all about receptor upregulation and downregulation, the more you've hammered on them with increasingly large doses of full agonist opioids, and the longer you've shown your body that it no longer needs to produce endorphins due to constant administration of same, the longer it'll take for your body to return to equilibrium (and the harsher it'll seem). you get a lot more mileage out of reasoned, moderate use of a drug rather than constantly running the dose up higher and higher chasing a rush or high that is long gone (even with reasoned use, it's never as good as the first time...). this is why pain patients who don't abuse their medication can be stable on an analgesic dose for a long time.
 
alovesupreme said:
even with reasoned use, it's never as good as the first time...
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wrong... relapsing is better than the first time. After years of hard work and determination, passion for recovery, a better life.... Then you start thinking that you can chip and you do with just pills for a few months or a couple of years.... then you're cleaning your apartment and find a set that you hid 4 years ago and coincidentally you were going to sniff a couple bags... then you get that OH MY GOD moment... but it's different... because this time you're feeling the apex of pleasure, but with an old friend that you didn't realize you missed so dearly.

On to the original question. In my experience, people who have opiates as their DOC are pussies... well I am. I'm hardly a fan of any sort of discomfort. If i'm kicking a bag a day or 2 bundles a day, it's basically the same for me.... okay.. not true. annoying post nasal drip vs. explosive vomiting are on different sides of the spectum, BUT the true torture is the mental aspect. Your most recent memory being so fresh in the mind.. it's easy to think that this is the worst. Whether I'm pissing out of my ass or I feel cold, either way I know that it would all go away with a little bit

The things that will truly fuck you when you're playing with fire: Health, wealth, youth, and smarts.
 
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I think it all got a bit pharmacological at some point mate.lol but the general theme seems to be that yes it will hurt your buddy more if his tolerence is greater and its a good idea to taper down first, ideally(i should think) with the advice of a health professional. have you thought about accessing drug services for help with withdrawal or is this just a hypothetical what if? Sort of question.
 
bunge said:
have you thought about accessing drug services for help with withdrawal or is this just a hypothetical what if? Sort of question.
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Little of both. Health services are pretty much out of the question....u know,,, due to lack of insurance and monetary funds
 
Ah I see, Im based in the uk so I sometimes forget the rest of the world only get the help they can afford.lol however if your habits large enough then its sometimes more cost effective to pay for treatment in the long run. As mr scagnattie said above tolerance can double, triple or more in the long run, in which case the cost could be astronomical. maybe kratom could be helpful to you and your friend if you want to beat the addiction? I wouldnt want to advise too much on that as ive no experiences to draw on but ive heard good things on bluelight about it. I wish you and your friend luck no matter what you decide to do and hope that you both give plenty of thought to whatever you plan. I know that sounds like common sense but rash decisions can have tragic results, especially where drugs and addiction are concerned..
 
mr.scagnattie said:
Body weight isn't a factor. Tolerance is a big deal.. it's an incredibly powerful thing. We were just talking about this in another thread. There are tons of 90 pound girls out there shooting 3 grams a day. Body weight is pretty irrelevant. Health is an aspect too, yes. I mean.. if you are just generally unhealthy or have some kind of immune system problem or something, than that could definitely make your withdrawal worse.

But, lets assume that we have two people who are of the same health, getting the same quality of heroin, same body weight, and they've been using for the same amount of time.. we'll say 2 years straight in this case. However, one person was shooting 3 grams a day and the other was only shooting 1 gram. The person with the bigger habit is going to have a much rougher time than the one with the smaller habit. His body is used to a much larger amount of the drug.. his brain relies on it to such a huge degree and in such a huge amount that when he stops using.. it's brutal. The other person will still have a bad kick too, but nowhere near as bad as the person doing 3 grams a day. If that person was to ween down though to the 1 gram habit... their withdrawals would be much more similar in terms of general severity.

And this doesn't just go for heroin. It goes for all opiates. The more of it you do and the longer you do it for, the worse your withdrawals will be.
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Yeah body weight/size/height means jack shit. Im 6'2, 220lbs and in decent shape, and 5 mgs of oxy will get me high. 10 mgs will get me WAY to high. I have zero tolerance tho as opiates give me panic attacks. It's actually kinda funny because i need them for chronic pain issues. Your all more then likely "fuck this guy hes bitching about getting to high from 10 mgs it takes me 100mgs to feel anything etc etc" but try being in pain and the only thing that will help you cant take because its causes panic attacks to point you think you are oding off 5 mgs of oxy. What really sucks is i never had this problem b4. i took them after surgeries for a couple months at a time with no issues.


Funny world eh? people who need them can take em and and people who dont end of taking them, getting addicted to them and finally ODing from them.
 
chrisalt said:
Yeah body weight/size/height means jack shit. Im 6'2, 220lbs and in decent shape, and 5 mgs of oxy will get me high. 10 mgs will get me WAY to high. I have zero tolerance tho as opiates give me panic attacks. It's actually kinda funny because i need them for chronic pain issues. Your all more then likely "fuck this guy hes bitching about getting to high from 10 mgs it takes me 100mgs to feel anything etc etc" but try being in pain and the only thing that will help you cant take because its causes panic attacks to point you think you are oding off 5 mgs of oxy. What really sucks is i never had this problem b4. i took them after surgeries for a couple months at a time with no issues.


Funny world eh? people who need them can take em and and people who dont end of taking them, getting addicted to them and finally ODing from them.
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Sounds like a shitty situation. All opiates give you panic attacks? Have you tried other ones besides oxycodone like hydrocodone, hydromorphone, oxymorphone, etc?

I have heard of doctors giving a benzo script to be taken in conjunction with painkillers because of panic attacks.. I mean, normally mixing two CNS depressants like benzos and opiates is a very bad idea but if the doctor figures out a good dosing schedule to balance the two out than it makes it a lot safer. It's usually not something they do unless they really have to but it has been done.
 
mr.scagnattie said:
If you have a specific question about your own withdrawal or setting up a taper plan, post a thread about it and we can help you figure it out so you go through hopefully as little pain as possible.
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There's not much to ask that I can't find thru searching. No idea how long it'll take since my brain is pretty fucked already, can't buy comfort drugs or none of that shit so I'm kinda beat
 
Physciallyc you will have an easier time with a lesser habit, but that has nothing to do with paws and psychological addiction. For me personally I was hooked mentally to opiates after 3-4 times of use. Good luck
 
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